Your Garb

[Red-Handed Jill]

I argue that when someone is just starting out, cotton is acceptable.... it lets them figure out the cut and fit of period garmets, and if they make a mistake, they arn't out much money.... But once they have it figured out, then use period fabric....

My garb started out cotton, but now it is all linen, hemp or wool.....

Funny thing... I had a cotton ticking waistcoat, lined with cotton.... my new one is wool lined with linen.... I'll give you three guesses which one is more comfortable..... 

Hollywood Pyrates should pay attention to the fabric content also.... why take the time to make a beautiful coat outta upulstery fabric that has a high content of man-made fiber ? .... it may look great, but will be way too hot to ever wear.

Also, most man-made fiber, is just too shiney... I was looking at some linen, and couldn't figure why is had such a shine... checking the fiber content, it was 20% polyester..... (and at $15.00 a yard ! )

I'll stick with the "Fabric Store.com, I've gotten good service from them, and thier prices are good  http://www.fabrics-store.com/first.php?got...f&fabric_type=1

I also reciently made a pair of slops and a pair of trousers outta hemp..... WOW.... it is sooooo much nicer than cotton......

Yeah - the linen trousers I wear to Rendezvous are very comfortable. Same with the linen/cotton blend (yeah, I know) shirts. Eventually I'll pick up some hemp to make trousers and will make some linen shirts. My waistcoat is cotton ticking and lined in linen - I'll eventually make one out of wool, but the short jacket comes first.

[Abrams]

Hey, what width are those stripes? They look great!

Also, where'd ye get that great firearm?

[Pirate Petee]

Knowing fox he probablly hand forged the steel and carved the wood himself.

[Pirate Petee]

My garb, damn I hate that word, well lets see.

One cotton shirt, and one linen, the cottons home made.

Two waistcoats, one brownish linen the other lt. grey wool and linen, both home made.

One pair slops" canvas i think" home made

One pair navy blue knee breeches, french fly.

One navy blue wool frock, with black canvas cuffs and pockets, lined with black silk, home made

Two bandanas or whatever you want to call them, both linen, one black and the other navy.

One neck thingy, same material as the navy bandana.

Two sashes, natural fabric can't tell what though, one navy and gold withe a pattern, the other, black and grey stripes

Two tri-corns, one black felt with some water proof treatment, the other out of straw.

One pair black leather buckle shoes and one pair Big Floppy black leather boots.

This list does not include all the weapons, belts baldrics and other accesories.

I'll post pics later.

Cheers

HAPPY FRIDAY!

[Fox]

Petee mate, I went out into the woods and even cut the tree down with my 18thC saw...

Actually, both the waistcoat and gun came from Kass

[Pirate Petee]

Either awy, very nice, well done mate.

Cheers

[Patrick Hand]

I wanted to comment on this a few days ago... then got into another part of this thread......

what is Hollywood pirate? And how does it differ from some of the outfits we wear?

I figure that Hollywood Pyrate covers all parts of just playing.... all the way from a "spot on" Jack Sparrow, to including Howard Pyle Pyrates.... and anything that is the common culturaly conception of Pyracy......

I see "Polyester Pyrate " as a dirogitory remark for someone wearing a store bought (cheap holloween) costume...... or the babe in a pink and black mini skirt with a maribo feather trimmed cocked hat.... (and the legs to go with the skimpy outfit) (sorry... I'm a sexist male pig-dog 'bout such things......)

I think having only two terms to discribe Pyrates is enough....

"Hollywood" Pyrates are having fun playing Pyrates....

The "Authentic" are having fun playing what Pyrates realy looked like....

It's really no big deal.....

I don't like the idea of say.... I'm an Authentic 2nd Class...... your only an Authentic 3rd class......

Or.... My Hollywood garb is rated 5.A

We are all having fun in our own way.... I enjoy making my stuff as close to period as I can..... other Pyrates enjoy making thier stuff as fancy and flashy as they can....

It's all still fun.......

[Silkie McDonough]

Gee Patrick do you think we have enough intelligence to figure that out?

Sorry, my sarcasm is showing.

I'm with Patrick (Can you tell?), KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid (no insult intended)

[Capt. Bo of the WTF co.]

Patrick is the best representitive of tolerance I have ever known in the realm of re-enactment/living history, and I've been at this stuff for almost twenty years now.

I want to get up some photos of my latest adjustments, but heat and classes have kept me out of character for a while. I passed out from the heat at Pilot Knob/ Battle at Fort Davidson a few weeks ago, and haven't been "right" since. Kind of embarrassing to be the only one who don't get up when the "ressurrection" is called!

Looking great everyone!

Bo

[Cascabel]

Patrick is the best representitive of tolerance I have ever known in the realm of re-enactment/living history, and I've been at this stuff for almost twenty years now.

Aye, I always enjoy hanging out with him when I get the chance. A great shipmate, and always willing to be free with information without being pushy or judgemental. A tug of the forelock to ye, Patrick !!

>>>>> Cascabel

[casketchris]

Patrick is the best representitive of tolerance I have ever known in the realm of re-enactment/living history,

Amen when my crew and i talket to him in Ojai he was full of compliments and at that time i was Hollywood he never once told me i was wrong or not period ... and by him being nice and taking the time to talk to us he inspired me to go authentic so thats how my new garb was born (back on topic-ish)

[Pirate Petee]

I figure that Hollywood Pyrate covers all parts of just playing.... all the way from a "spot on" Jack Sparrow, to including Howard Pyle Pyrates.... and anything that is the common culturaly conception of Pyracy......

I don't know I guess reality is relative. I still take "Hollywood Pirate" as a derogatory remark, even if it isn't meant to be, I don't know why, just me I guess. Maybe because, there are a lot of horrible looking costumes, that came out in some films, or maybe that the common public conception of a pirate has been around well before the first silent film had been made. And to be thrown into that lot kinda puts me off. True I do this for fun and since I suffer from ataraxia I could care less what someone thinks of or has to say about my kit. But if someone at an event says "Thats a hollywood pirate, he doesn't look like a real pirate", I ain't gonna give the guy a hug. I don't get offended, but thats kind of a dick thing to say. I don't really classify peoples kits, to me it looks good or it doesn't, "to me" being the key words. In mister Pyles defense, I have alot of his art and most of them are what the safe assumption of what pirates looked like. If we do need to put "Jack Sparrow and Howard Pyle Pyrates" into a classification I would say that "pirate myth" is a better term, not saying thats not what they looked like, but its debatable.

Cheers

[Abrams]

I would say that "pirate myth" is a better term,

Aye, but now I got an image of Zeus with a cocked hat, flintlock, and Jolly Roger eyepatch!

[Captain Pogue]

I've got to agree with Pirate Petee. I like "pirate myth." Here is my most recent. Still need to get a waistcoat.

[HarborMaster]

I dont post much anymore.,but here it goes:

..............................R A N T ..............................

Actually I completely agree with everything Petee has said up and above., on how he feels about the situation ., with an exception. I feel "Pirate" should sum it up as a whole ., after all most people observing you can tell thats what you are. You are a Pirate...,they know that.

The only other pirate is what I refer to as a "Pirate Dick" . which is some sort of a person who feels the need to correct me for what i am wearing., as if he or she has a right too? I dont need "Pirate Myth"., or "Hollywood Pirate" or ? some other "Plastic Pirate"., it is derogatory., sort of like "Drug Store Cowboy..., is it not? Clearly the statements and judgements do degrade someones attempt at their fun.

I can say gee you got better clothing than i do....., but your apartment in Iowa doesnt look at all like my beach.., You sure dont live what you preach !

There how'd that be?

Would I be considered rude to say that., even if it is true?

Well then the same should be said of people who volunteer critisisms., critisism actually hurts feelings more often than it probably helps. Its not my job to tell others my stuff is better and they should be like me..., your stuff is not correct..., thats pretty poor behavior really. It sucks and ruins the whole experience to be pounded with this crap.

We can all play the game. Thats the beauty of it., we are all differant., You dont own the game.., Its not YOUR RULES .., The game is for everyone. My only bitch is when I go to an event., and many are not making an attempt at all. Sneakers a baseball cap and a t-shirt. That Sucks !

People should not whine because others dont play the game THIER WAY., I play the game my way., and you should play the game your way.., and in the end., we got more people playing the game !! That would be cool Pirate types all around., I like it ! Mixed and many., lots more .,everywhere.,everyone., now that would be fun., < GAME ON >

Perhaps the next time I am judged ., the judge should consider for himself., he has a hobby., for me ., the ocean ., a personal vessel and gumption to achieve these things tho they are not easy., is what makes doing them great. I hate being judged and critisized by some one not being on the water., not on a vessle., not not in the water., not perhaps shooting a cannon or two.., just because they have better shoes than me? . I didnt own fugawee's but i have walked on the oceans floor ., (I was wearing U.S. Divers Fins) Yea., I will claim free rogue and pirate style equally to any man here and i will not judge them either.

Ha I have even had a cannon or two of mine been critisized here., probably by someone who doesnt even own 1. Then I see PC people bragging about their correctness., while they got an 1841 6 pounder barrel on a naval carriage., thats WAY OUT about 150 years too late for the GAoP (Their timeline..., not mine). . But I dont say nothin., because I dont wanna be critisizing., I would hate to judge others. Its not in my nature. Let them have their cannon its cool anbd adds to their piratey MADNESS ! ! ! It adds to the game !

Critism is not mine to judge of any man here., lest i be judged., however i dont tolerate none niether. Yea for me., we are all just pirates., the only catagory outside that is if you are a "Pirate Dick" ...., then your on your own.

Jumping off soap box.

[Silkie McDonough]

...and yet you criticize.

I understand Harbor Master. Seems to me that is why Patrick and Pete are saying. Let's just all play together. If you want to camp with the PC's then you dress like the PC's simple. If you are PC and someone is not you are not superior you have just made different choices. As a woman if I want to dress "like a pirate" I have gone into the myth/fantasy with that decision. That is okay but I can't expect the PC's to accept me into their camp. Simple.

[HarborMaster]

Seems to me that is why Patrick and Pete are saying. Let's just all play together.

Yes .

My statement is not directed at any one person here., it is an observation and just my opinion on how I personally feel about it (The labels) ., over years of being around faires., and other assorted events thats all.

I do feel we are all pirates ., its the spirit of the game that holds the fun of the event.., for me. I view patrons at these events as pirates., not as catagorized types of pirates. Thats what I ment.

P.S. On the over all I do not expect to be accepted by any group and am not a part of one, Therefore I usually do my own things with a few freinds and enjoy it amongst ourselves..., our way.

[LadyBarbossa]

:::looks at HarborMaster oddly; cautiously:::

On a list I am on discussing PotC Costuming via Yahoogroups, there was a recent mention about appropriateness (in more ways than 1). One of them was Pirates at a timeline event that was apparently meant for honoring WW2 vets.

And, I suppose I can see various sides of the spectrum there.

Indeed we all have ideas and opinons. Interesting to hear what everyone has to say.

Hollywood pirate just baffled me and occassionally annoyed me. Reason: Why bash outfits made by Professionals? At least it get's our minds pondering and strikes our curiosities to do the research.

But, as Patrick originally began with this thread... I am more or less a Historical Fiction. I will do what I can to have a historical look. Most likely won't be 100% historically accurate. Or even 90%.

Being a fancy fop m'self, my outfits will be rather bold and generous such as the one I'm working on now that is crimson velvet with a matching hat. The outfit will look at best 60% historically accurate.

Now... linen... I agree... it's fantastic. However, expensive and a couple other issues with it that I honestly wish not to use linen. Cotton, being as expensive as it was back then, is something not only affordable to me, but I prefer. Same as I will prefer silks (in it's various forms) and velvets (in it's various forms). Wool, rarely (after nigh killing myself at Camden a couple years ago, I learned my lession with wool) and linen, with a couple items (mostly a weskit I have for my dragoon impression).

:::Shrugs::: don't know, mates. I think this'll be a topic that'll bug folks for a long time.

::looks back at HarborMaster::: Wish I could play Pirate, mate. Alas, doesn't happen.

We dress up... that's one thing. Now, portraying a pirate, either historically accurate or along the lines of Pirate Lore... that's another thing! And doesn't happen often! Walking around in garb... cool. But, dull. Becoming the part (in scenarios with battles, or tavern gigs, in the stocks or a hanging, etc) that's the major fun there.

Nice pic of ye underwater.

And yes, my apartment in Iowa is far from the ocean beach. But I finally did make it to the ocean and I tell ye... the calling to sail upon the Atlantic's waters was SO strong. I was lost in the waves for hours, calm.. but darn near in tears when I had to leave. I've no ship of my own, only set foot upon the Bounty and the Nina and never felt more at ease than I have ever been in my life.

All about the Pirate in us, eh?

~Lady B

[HarborMaster]

LadyBarbossa I had no idea you are in Iowa ! ., You have no need to be cautious of me., I am harmless. I was not implying anything derogitory to you., it was an example. I do infact think your an awesome pirate and a fantastic character .

Actually tho walking around in Garb is fun. See it is better when I go a couple of months without a post. Look at me now. I should probably head back to my comfortable 70 feet below sea-level. When I come up for Rhum it only gets me into trouble. They were right when they said I dont play well with thee other children.

[LadyBarbossa]

LadyBarbossa I had no idea you are in Iowa ! ., You have no need to be cautious of me., I am harmless. I was not implying anything derogitory to you., it was an example. I do infact think your an awesome pirate and a fantastic character .

Actually tho walking around in Garb is fun. See it is better when I go a couple of months without a post. Look at me now. I should probably head back to my comfortable 70 feet below sea-level. When I come up for Rhum it only gets me into trouble. They were right when they said I dont play well with thee other children.

No need to be cautious?!? Yo'r a pirate!

Thank you. Despite having not crossed pathes before.

I guess like everyone, my persona is always being improved upon. Just like my attire.

70 feet below sea level...Underwater? Are you sure you are not Davy Jones in disguise?

Join th' club, HarborMaster. Nor do I at times. But, then again, we are pirates.

The underwater pic was interesting. I'd be rather baffled and spooked if you were in pirate attire with a cannon strapped to your ankles.

:::hands ya bottle of rum:::

~Lady B

[Perkeo]

My friend Grizz and meself in me fancy pants at Simple Day(SCA event).

Meself, The Crimson Wench and Grizz drinking some fine rum at GenCon.

[blackbonie]

I do feel we are all pirates ., its the spirit of the game that holds the fun of the event..,

P.S. On the over all I do not expect to be accepted by any group and am not a part of one, Therefore I usually do my own things with a few freinds and enjoy it amongst ourselves..., our way.

i love the way you expressed that. i totally agree.

[Fox]

Actually I completely agree with everything Petee has said up and above., on how he feels about the situation ., with an exception. I feel "Pirate" should sum it up as a whole ., after all most people observing you can tell thats what you are. You are a Pirate...,they know that.

The only other pirate is what I refer to as a "Pirate Dick" . which is some sort of a person who feels the need to correct me for what i am wearing., as if he or she has a right too? I dont need "Pirate Myth"., or "Hollywood Pirate" or ? some other "Plastic Pirate"., it is derogatory., sort of like "Drug Store Cowboy..., is it not? Clearly the statements and judgements do degrade someones attempt at their fun.

Sadly, reality intrudes. In any endeavour (be it playing pirates, driving cars, whatever) where there is more than one approach labelling is inevitable. Different people do things different ways, and are thus given different names. That's not derogatory (or need not be), it's just life. If you don't like the label, change it, but don't imagine that it can be done away with altogether.

But there's more to it that that. Any such labelling (in whatever field) serves a practical purpose in enabling outsiders to understand that A is not necessarily the same as B. From my own experience as an event organiser I am regularly approached by potential clients who express what exactly they're looking for, usually either "authentic historical pirates" or "well, more sort of pirate entertainment really, y'know, like PotC and stuff..." - is the latter any less derogatory or more succinct than "Hollywood pirates"? Furthermore, acknowledging the difference helps us, we the participants, by enabling us to understand they many different ways of "doing pirates", figuring out which events we want to go to, choosing which books to buy, etc ad nauseam. Is pretending that we're all doing the same thing when we're not actually going to help anyone at all?

I can't speak for others, though I'm sure I do, when I say that "Hollywood Pirate" has never been intended as a derogatory term. It's just a way of describing a difference which, like it or not, exists.

Pirate Dick is a good one. I have a very different approach to "piracy" than many others, and I'm quite happy for that difference to be realised. I do my thing, you do your thing, and he does his thing. None of us are any better than the other because of what we do, and there's room, nay, demand for different styles and priorities. Live and let live says I, and stop fretting about something so petty as a label - which is bound to exist in one form or another anyway.

[Capt. Bo of the WTF co.]

Hmmm... maybe a "Labels" thread is in order here?

Bo

[Pirate Petee]

::looks back at HarborMaster::: Wish I could play Pirate, mate. Alas, doesn't happen.

We dress up... that's one thing. Now, portraying a pirate, either historically accurate or along the lines of Pirate Lore... that's another thing! And doesn't happen often! Walking around in garb... cool. But, dull. Becoming the part (in scenarios with battles, or tavern gigs, in the stocks or a hanging, etc) that's the major fun there.

To each his own I guess, like I said reality is relative, what may be fun to some, is not fun to others, what real pirate is to some is not what a real pirate is to others. Classify if you must, but I think that there is just to much gray space to lump it in to two groups, for me at least. If two pirate categories is fine for some people, well then cool.

Being from the west coast we don't get too many living history events, dealing with pirates at least.

I do however live near the garment district in Los Angeles, where they have all sorts of material for really cheap prices.