Lady Seahawke

Yeah that can happen, many times people think they are seeing a ghost when in reality it is someone that has projected themselves to another place. I know when my "dream" has certain quality and feel about it that it is actually a projection.

"I have a floating dream that has recurred all my life. I get startled when i realize i am floating and try to wake up - and i honestly used to think that i fell back down to my bed when i would wake because i felt the bed shaking." Umm, believe it or not....that has been traditionally a sign of Astral Projection...the bed shaking and/or you jerking suddenly awake is the spirit is dropping and merging back into the physical body. No need to fear it. Once you learn to control it is very interesting.

WOOHOO, thanks Bloody Flint the Cali one is the one I wanted. I'll have a keg of rum delivered to your ship.

ok, can someone PLEASSSSSEEEE, PRETTY PLEASSSSE...give me an address or phone number for the theatre? :)

I have all but left here, because of feeling blasted by the "historical authenticity police" on as constant basis. I am a great history buff, I am an avid reader, I think I spend more time with my books then most anything else...but, am tired of feeling that I have to have 10 or 15 quotes to back up every little sentence and/or word and another 10 or 15 more to back up my sources. This constant bickering has left me with a bad taste for the whole subject... Would I love to have everything TOTALLY "authentic" Hell yes, but it costs mucho bucks. So there are some items I make do with. Then again, some items I have because IT IS MY PERSONNA. WHICH MEANS if I had the same personality as I do now back then...THEN IT IS WHAT I CAN SEE AS I WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE BACK IN THAT DAY! I am not trying to imitate someone else some unknown person from a bygone day. I am an individual and have always walked to my own music. And if I had lived back then I would have done the same... So my look, is mixture of authenit to period, plus my own personality....In other words...it may not be authentic to you but it is to ME! Huzzah. Now in regard to the rating system...IMHO The other idea is the rating may work but instead of stars just use numbers. Easy and to the point. 0 for not at all... 5 for perfect. And if you don't know N/A

Try dresslikeapirate.com I got mine there, and if'n the gent's are as good as the wenches, I would highly recommend em. Mine are comfotable and look good, note, that I just got them so haven't worn them a whole lot, but so far so good. easy on the coin too!

Thanks mate, just put in the search engine...18th century games and lots of information comes up. this site has a set of knucklebones and instruction booklet that was popular by pirates http://www.historicgames.com/RPdice.html here is a link with historical information on games from ancient times to 17th century http://www.geocities.com/karen_larsdatter/games.htm another with period game rules http://jducoeur.org/game-hist/game-rules.html hope that helps

http://www.pagat.com/lhombre/lhombre.html http://www.davidparlett.co.uk/histocs/ http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dice-play/History.htm

I personally don't believe in any of it any more...simple as that

Hey, I got that book an excellent at that.

Well let's see I did have a list when I was a bit younger...lost it... My most fave things have been opportunities taken when presented... Let's see. Well met JFKennedy when he was campaigning in Ohio. I was just a ity bity lass, my father had me up on his shoulders so I could see. But something about it never left me. Met Hugh O'Brien...(ok am showing my age a bit here... but that was special cause I was able to interview him...ok, I wrangled it) and met Noel Harrison....(wrangled that interview too!... ) Flew a Military transport. while in AFROTC..(no didn't do a take off or landing, but got to fly it over 4 states....long story ) Did research and created the indexes for an College academic text...(m'name is there...got that one done before my dad died, he had always stated he would have loved to see one of our last name in connection to a text ...and when asked how I wanted my name placed in the Acknowlegement section I give my maiden name so, was able to do that and have him see about a year before he past.) Moved to California. (got a chance to do it...did it... arrived with only $200 left to me. and have been doing pretty well since.) I have sold some of my artwork I have been a singer...gospel ...quartets, trios, duos...and soloist. learn to play the guitar by ear... did it well enough that I accompanied myself on stage. Flew a single engine plane over the coast of California. piloted a speed boat near top speed on Lake Hope. Well that be a few of m'fave memories. Have few things in the fire so to speak...don't want to say much as I don't want to jinx them.

Oct be m'natal month, and mayhap as a present to m'self I just might be there. :)

quote "Now here's some more logic for you. The reason we know of Bonny and Read, the reason they are so famous, is because they were so unique for their time. If there were lots of women running round in breeches aboard ships we'd know about them, and there certainly wouldn't be the fuss made over Bonny and Read by their contemporaries." Perhaps they are famous in the same way as Morgan, Calico and others are famous, because, they were successful in pyracy, and feared. I am not trying to prove that there were huge numbers, I am stating that they were more common then some would think and that is all. Ok, I will probably be out of this conversation for a bit as I am sitting in here in HUGE AMOUNT OF PAIN. I just re-injured my dang back. So tis back to a prone position for me... at least for a while.

No you don't have me there... ...HEY, them hiding their identities wasn't my quote.... and I think we have seen that Bonnie, Read and Lincken weren't the only three. Now the question is did they wear women's clothing while on the ship or perhaps scouting out a village for a raid? And how about the story of the one that saved her lover by challenging one of the other pirates to a duel, distracting him by pulling open her shirt...and shooting him. Legend, perhaps, but most legends have a basis in fact. So how much fact vs legend is this story...that is a question. OH, my point...my point is it is interesting to me. :) because, according to how they were dress could, IMHO, have implications as to how much a part of the crew a female would/could have been and in turn, how much they were accepted and how common it was. As far as the idea of the number and names reported, well, I do be asking again a bit of logic...were the male scallywages we know of the only tars going on account? Of course not, there were hundred to thousands of them during the GoAP. So, just because we don't have names of females does not mean they weren't on board. :) :)

Quote ..."The number of women who actually disguised themselves as men before going to sea seems small (so far we've got 3: Bonny, Read, and Lincken for the GAoP)" Well, using a bit of logic here...in regard to Bonny and Reed...considering that when they were caught, they both pleaded their bellies...ie, they were verifiably pregnant it would seem that ummm, some bloke(s) (Calico most likely) at least knew they were female. Don't you think. So, was it they were hiding their identities from the crew? (ah, being the ship was tight quarters...being a twosie or threesie they may ALL have been very quiet in the thoes of passion. AH yep that could be uhhuh ) or from their victims? (so, that if'n when they were ready they could possibly merge back into society when they were ready. But, then testimony from some of the female victims cites that they could tell the two were female even in the men's clothing because fullness of their breasts. Tell me was the crew blind? )or did they use men's clothing more for comfort. Anyway, have a great day!!!

One thing that about the lasses in breeches. If'n they be go'n to sea as a participant and not as a passenger, it would make sense for her to be wear'n breeches and not a petticoat. Think about mov'n about the ship, climb'n the rigg'n etc. doing it in men's clothing would be safer and more comfortable. So, even if she didn't need to hide her identity, she would be in men's clothing more for convenience then anything else.

May Abba bless and keep you, with His angels around about you, comforting and easing you this day and the days to come.

Foxx, tis ok...all tis forgiv'n. Hells bells....There have been many times that my jok'n has been tak'n ta wrong way. sigh...One reason I don't post all that often. So Foxx sail on up to the bar with all ta lasses...ta drinks are on me! :) :) :)

Quote"Let's not turn this into a sexism thread eh? It brings the whole level of the conversation down and defeats the object of good research. Given that I have provided numerous examples of women at sea I consider your remarks quite offensive." Sorry you can't take a bit of good naturedly kidding... Gezzzsh....

La Maupin, 17th century French swordswoman, adventuress (including onboard a ship) and opera star, was like something out of a novel by Dumas or Sabatini, except for two things. First she was real, and second few authors would have attributed her exploits to a woman….. Gilbert, interestingly enough, claims "No one therefore saw anything strange in the masculine clothes and conduct of our heroine", due to the fact that "a good number of women did as she did." I find this, too, a bit surprising. I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in the middle between Clayton and Gilbert's versions of things. http://www.eldacur.com/~brons/Maupin/LaMaupin.html _________________________________________ Oddly enough, Vincentio Saviolo in his 16th century manual on fencing, includes a large section on women fencers. He titles this section "The Nobility of Women" and concludes it with stories of highly educated women, and one woman who designed her own castle. He says he is writing in order to encourage women to try whatever they think they would like to do, instead of feeling limited by their sex…………… There were many women who took warfare very seriously and seemed to enjoy it quite a bit. Several of them could even be called professional soldiers. Mention of these individuals is rare, but they can be found in accounts from men who either admire them, or who find them an oddity. One historian of the 19th century wrote: "... the feminine spirit of combativeness, which is nothing else at bottom but a blustering kind of coquetry, spread far and wide in Europe from the fifteenth century onwards. From that date on, it produced among the fantastic sex many strange tricks in mimicry of the hectoring ways of men."……….. Some women were sailors. Around 1571 (the battle of Lepanto) there was a woman by the name of Mar�a la Bailadora (the dancer) who served aboard Don John's galley Real. She had follewed her lover, dressed as a man. This exciting account of the battle between the Real, and the Turkish Sultana shows her valor and bravery in the face of battle: "Mar�a la Bailadora was nimbly over the side - some asserted afterwards that she was the first - and on the deck of Sultana was seen to kill her Turkish antagonist with one sword thrust. Lots more information …and listed sources… at http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT/Wo...Battle-art.html _________________________________________ Ok, guys I know you REALLY want to know that only a handful of females was able to stand up to the life. I understand it...in my humble opin ion and probably more then a few other females... know that you want the rough life of the sea to be a bastion of male endurance. But, hate to say it...but women have done it...as women have done male dominionated jobs through out history. But when it is all said and done...in the final analysis...We were there. HUZZAH! M'fellow lasses...I be buy'n so sail on up ...the kegs tis a popp'n.

STOP! Look I know how hard it is to break up. Been there, done that...but, don't rush into getting rid of things. You will find it will actually make things harder if you do. go through the stages....Cry, scream, stomp curse, cuss, down a few pints...but, then sit back and take stock of what happened and why. Fix what you need to fix, then if you still want to part with things do it...but not before.

At sea Admiralty regulations forbade the carrying of women, however as with many regulations this was often ignored. Estimates vary as to the numbers of women actually at sea with the fleet, but the wives of important members of the ships company, such as the gunner and the carpenter were often found on board ship. Children were also at sea, the youngest boy at the battle of Trafalgar was just eight years old, and his nine year old friend had been born at sea. http://www.nelsonsnavy.co.uk/broadside2.html Son of a gun(ner) perhaps is where the saying comes from where the women gave birth on the ships? Yes??? ok, another from BBC... The presence of the women was largely hidden, for official purposes, as they were not paid or fed by the Navy, and therefore were not entered onto the ships' muster books. However other records, such as order books written by ships' captains, refer to their existence, as do memoirs and records of courts martial. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/trafalgar...n_navy_02.shtml DETERMINEE,24. (Taken by REVOLUTIONAIRE in 1799. Wrecked 1803) 1801 Capt. J.C. SEARLE, Lisbon. 1802 Capt. SKENE, Spithead. 1803 Capt. Alexander BECHER. he sailed from St. Helen's on the evening of 4 January for Dublin to enter seamen. Capt. BECHER received orders at Spithead on 23 March 1803 to carry a detachment of the 81st regiment to Jersey and they were all embarked by the afternoon of the following day. No pilot was available at Spithead so he sailed in company with AURORA hoping to obtain one either at Cowes or Yarmouth. DETERMINEE anchored at Cowes over night but Capt. BECHER received no answer to his signals for a pilot and the following morning he followed AURORA to the Needles where he sent an officer ashore. His efforts were unsuccessful and they sailed through the Needles hoping to obtain a pilot at Guernsey or off the Jersey coast. Since he was unable to obtain any answers to his continual signals he decided to follow in AURORA's wake. Just before half past four on Saturday the 26th Capt. BECHER attempted to bring his ship into the wind at the same place as AURORA five minutes earlier but scarcely had the mainbrace been belayed than she stuck broadside on to a sunken rock near Noirmont Point on the western side of St. Aubyn Bay where she was immediately bilged and started taking in water. To save her falling into deep water the captain immediately ordered both anchors to be let go. The large cutter was soon launched and people crowded in to it ignoring pleas by the captain to allow the women and children on first. At this point the ship fell on her beam ends and many were thrown into the water. The captain reached the mizzen-top after being immersed for ten minutes. From the rigging and masts he and most of the others were rescued by the boats of AURORA and CAMILLA over the next three and a half hours in a six knot tide. The captain first reported that a midshipman and a seaman belonging to DETERMINEE were lost, together with ten soldiers, two women and three children from the 81st regiment and a woman and child from the sick bay, but a later count showed that forty had been drowned. At a court martial held on board GLADIATOR in Portsmouth on 5 April, Capt. BECHER, his officers and crew were honourably acquitted of all blame for the loss. http://www.cronab.demon.co.uk/D1.HTM The family of Dr. Charming, on their way from France to America, not long after the commencement of the war, were attacked by a privateer. During the engagement that ensued, Mrs. Channing remained on deck, handing cartridges, with encouraging speeches to the crew, and assisting the wounded. When the colors of the vessel were struck, she seized the pistols and side-arms of her husband, and flung them into the sea, declaring that they, at least, should not be surrendered to the enemy. http://www.americanrevolution.org/women58.html other parts of the world. The first island which revolted according to Bubulina's memoirs, was Spetses, 3 April 1821. Bubulina was a very rich woman who contributed with all her money and ships to the war. She immediately sailed for Nafplion to join the revolutionaries and blockaded it from the sea side. Psara followed and raised the flag with the cross. The sailors from Psara with their ships sailed to Macedonia, Thessaly and to the coast of Mikra Asia to raise the local populations. Their captain Nikolis Apostolis, attacked to the small ottoman fleet to the harbour of Smyrna and arrested 4 ships with 450 soldiers. http://members.fortunecity.com/fstav1/1821.../struggle5.html ok, I think that is all for today.... Though I am still trying to find the reference where on Captain asked for compensation to a woman for her act of bravery during battle, where the reply was (paraphasing here a tad) ...we can't because if we give it to her then we would have to give it to all the others and the Admiralty can't afford it. OK, yes I read it...I know I did, (facts of this nature I have proofed to have an uncanny memory for) ...DAMN IT.... I just have to find it. Yes, I have it in book form, but have also seen it on the web....so... It may take me while but I will.

The Rambling Female Sailor (circa 1830) Ballad printed by W. Fordyce, Newcastle,England Come all young people far and near, And listen to my ditty, At Gravesend lived a maiden fair, Who was both young and pretty. Her lover he was press'd away, and drowned in a foreign sea, which caus'd this maiden to say, I'll be a Female Sailor. This maid she was resolv'd to go Across the foaming ocean, She was resolv'd to let them know How she could gain promotion. With jacket blue and trowsers white, Just like a sailor neat and tight The sea it was the heart's delight of the rambling Female Sailor . . . From stem to stern she'd boldly go, She brav'd all dangers, fear'd no foe, But soon you'll hear the overthrow Of the Rambling Female Sailor. This maiden gay did a wager lay, She would go aloft with any, And up aloft she straight did go, Where times she had been many. This maiden bold--ah, sad to tell, She missed her hold and down she fell, And calmly bid this world farewell! Did the Rambling Female Sailor. This maiden gay did fade away Just like a drooping willow, Which made the sailors for to say Farewell, young faithful Willy. When her snow-whitebreast in sight became, She prov'd to be a female frame, And Rebecca Young it was the name Of the Rambling Female Sailor . . . On the river Thames she was known full well, Few sailors could with her excel One tear let fall as the fate you tell, Of the Rambling Female Sailor From the site "30 Jane Tars" http://www.aboutnelson.co.uk/30janetars.htm

The first opportunities for women to find roles at sea during war, without resorting to disguise, were as nurses. Formal Healthcare for sick and injured seafarers began in the mid 18th Century. Each ship had to have a sick bay and a surgeon. Repeated skirmishes and campaigns had also made a network of hospital ships necessary in the heyday of British naval power. During Nelson’s command of the Royal Navy 1794–1805 there is evidence of women being aboard the ships, from ....Nursing in the Royal Navy http://www.plimsoll.org/SeaPeople/womenand...sea/womenandwar also from the same site but different page ...http://www.plimsoll.org/SeaPeople/womenandthesea/theearlydaysofwomenatsea/Womenindisguise.asp Mary Lacy was one of those women who fortunately decided to tell her fantastic story giving us a detailed picture of life as a sailor aboard a warship. In 1759 she went to sea in men's clothes as William Cavendish apprentice carpenter, the ship she joined was involved in the Seven Years War between Britain and France. In 1763 she decided to become a shipwright's apprentice based Portsmouth Dockyard and gained her certificate in 1770 despite being discovered and confessing she was a woman to two male colleagues who surprisingly swore to keep her secret. However, rheumatoid arthritis meant she was no longer able to work in such a physically demanding environment and in order to gain a pension she revealed her identity as Mary Lacy and not William Chandler, as she later called herself. Her petition was sucessful and she retired publishing her story under the title 'The History of the Female Shipwright' Ok, some more in the 1800's...1852 to be exact...yes, I know not age of pyracy...but you will see why you might be interested... In 1852 the Birkenhead under the command of Captain Robert Salmond, began her career as a troopship, ferrying troops to the Channel Islands and Lisbon and visited the Cape. Early in 1852 she once again left on what was to be her last journey for the Cape Colony. Text by: John Gribble Maritime Archaeologist South African Heritage Resources Agency (SAHRA) P O Box 4637 Cape Town 8000 Tel: +27 (021) 462 4502 Fax: +27 (021) 462 4509 Name of Ship: Birkenhead Command: Captain Robert Salmond Design Stats 64m long displacing 1918 tons. and 11.3 m wide. Date of Wreck: February 26, 1852 at 02h00. Depth of Wreck: 21-meters Site of Wreck: Danger Point South Africa Impact to Sinking: 25 minutes Passengers: 638 -Ship Crew, Soldiers, Women and Children Casualties: 445 men went down with the ship. All the women and children were saved. Manifest: Military stores, Horses, £300,000 in gold coins (never recovered). Historical Relevance: Set the precedent of "Women and Children First" as naval protocol throughout the world. http://www.overberg.co.za/birkenhead/the_ship.htm In 1731 the first ‘Regulations and Instructions’ were printed and they stated that women were not allowed to be at sea without the orders of the Admiralty. Many women did sail on the ships without permission and this was unnoticed unless it was officially reported. This meant that if they died their deaths were seldom recorded.....Some sailors did not like the women to be on the ships and believed they used the precious fresh drinking water for washing instead of the seawater. There was also a superstition that women were bad luck at sea and brought storms to the area. Sometimes the sailors would throw the women overboard in an attempt to make the storms subside. http://www.questacon.edu.au/html/assets/pd...en_On_Board.pdf.

http://www.lothene.demon.co.uk/others/women18.html Here is a site that lists a number of females that took up the gun in defense of country and/or ship...lists under 17th and 18th century...again take it as you will.