Lily Alexander

I'm being nit picky here . Please don't take this the wrong way. Those look an awful lot like stays. Which can be partially boned and laced front and back to accommodate pregnancy. I know I saw a reference to that. I'll try to find it. This is where some of the problem comes in. Some historical clothing people call jumps, stays or corsets. Some call them waistcoats. One thing I know is data is lacking but the item in question did exist. Now to find more documentation on them. I know there are other examples in museums other than the one in the V&A. ps. Salty's stays/jumps are wonderful.

Embroidered Jumps. V&A Museum. ca.1700 http://www.coraginsburg.com/antique_costumes_ladies.htm

The topic of "jumps" has been glossed over in several threads but it has never been fully debated on. Since there is no time like the present, let the debate begin. I've been trying to dig up as many references to jumps as I could and this is what I found so far. Unfortunately, I don't have a scanner to post the pictures of the referenced items. Dictionary of 18th Century Clothing Terms: From the Northwest Territorial Alliance http://www.nwta.com/patterns/pdfs/111dict.pdf JUMP, JUMPE, JUMP- COAT (F.) Usually in the plural as “Jumps”; a loose unboned bodice worn instead of stays for comfort or during pregnancy. “Bought my wife a new pair of jumps instead of stays.” (1716, Marchant Diary.) http://people.csail.mit.edu/sfelshin/revwar/glossary.html jumps A woman's support garment, lightly stiffened with whalebone, cane, wood splits, cording, buckram, quilting and/or other means. It is not known whether jumps could use no stiffening other than the fabric of the jumps. No precise definition has been found for jumps, but it is clear that they were, on average, less stiffened than stays. Jumps almost certainly can lace front only, and possibly even usually lace front only. Jumps could be worn by invalids, pregnant women, elderly women, and slatterns, and in informal situations. Stays seem to have been the usual garment, rather than jumps, but data is lacking. What Clothes Reveal, Linda Baumgarten pg 148-149 Fig. 203 Ca. 1700 “When heavily boned stays were too uncomfortable, women wore quilted waistcoats for warmth and support”. Fig 204 & 205 Ca. 1720-1750 Eighteenth-Century Clothing at Williamsburg, Linda Baumgarten pg 18 “Bodice. Possibly called a waistcoat or jumps”. “Women sometimes wore lighter support garments, called jumps, in place of stays. Unboned or partially boned bodices, jumps were worn informally at home or whenever a less stiff garment was required”. The Cut of Women’s Clothes, Norah Waugh pg 66 Other Types of Dress “The jacket, or waistcoat, with short basque, was too useful a garment to be discarded and continued to be worn for negligee wear and especially by working women. There were also simple bodices, laced up center back or perhaps crossing in front or caught together center front with bows. These were for more casual wear and were habitual for children and young girls”.

Mooseworth, the stays from Townsend look to me like a later 18th century style. However, there were front laing stays for our period. They would either be worn with a stomacher or fully closed in front. Having said that, I really doubt anyone will complain about your wife's stays. Niko, another option to consider are "jumps". For the past 2 PIP's, and other events before I had proper stays, I wore jumps. In a nutshell, there were worn in the home, while ill , for warmth, or while working. Considering the camp setting of PIP, they can be a great option for you. Their website has changed some. I believe they are calling them stays. Missy Clark is wonderful to work with. If you call her, I'm sure she can help you out. http://members.tripod.com/BarkertownSutlers/page3.html

William, don't forget going out for dinner for hogfish

Once again, O'Keeffe is driving down but I'll be flying. Michael, if it helps, I'll be down there the day after Thanksgiving. Kate is more than welcome to stay with me until you get there. I promise, we won't get into any trouble. No, none at all. ps. O'keeffe should be arriving with his brother Sat or Sun, but we'll still have plenty of room for Kate.

A crew within a crew? ok. The Mercury has always been an all inclusive crew. It doesn't matter if you are a Portuguese pirate with an oriental wife or a pirate that stands on your head and spits jelly beans. I really don't get the point.

Thanks for asking Silkie. I was wondering the same thing. I hate to say it but most likely there will be some in the Mercury crew, as well as all the other crews, that won't be able to make it to PIP for various reasons. It's unfortunate but it does happen. I was also wondering if the crew you want to create was going to be portraying Spanish sailors?

Hey, I should try that.

ok, so all this talk about tripe got me craving for it. It's been so long since I've made it myself, I had to do it. Who cares if O'Keeffe won't eat it. More for meeeeeeeeeeee.......................... I also think I figured out the approximate measurements to my mother's recipe. 2 lbs tripe 1 tsp salt 1/2 tsp black pepper 2 tsp basil 2 tsp parsley 1/2-1 tsp crushed red pepper adjust to your liking Boil tripe 20 - 30 min. (It should have a grayish color to it). Run under cold water before cleaning and cutting. Before adding to sauce, bring sauce to a boil. Add tripe, reduce to low. I'll let you know how it comes out after 9pm. ps. Cheeky can you please add the measurements to the original post. Thanks. Edit: It finished cooking an hour early. Mmmmmmmmmm just like I remember. It's not mushy and has a little bit of crunch to it. The only thing I forgot was the Italian bread to go with it.

Fighting with a telephone company. Very rarely do I rant and rave but this is too much. 8 months ago, my father passed away. As executer of his small estate, I've been responsible for all the associated matters regarding his death. He was meticulous with his record keeping and was a stickler for paying his bills in full and on time. After he passed, I contacted each and every company he had an account with. Providing them with death certificates when necessary and paying any and all final bills. Now, 8 months later, I'm getting phone calls and bills with incredible amounts. For example, and ambulance company, assessed late charges to his bill for an ambulance call. They were great, took off the late fees and I paid the bill on the spot. The telephone company is the infuriating one. Assessing a $200 fee for early cancellation and other various charges. (did I mention I had already paid his final bill in full). You have got to be kidding me. The man is deceased. Perhaps I should have left the account open so he could call me from heaven. So after 20 minutes on hold, and speaking with 2 different people, they are supposedly waiving the fees. Thank goodness for that. The woman I spoke with at the credit agency was wonderful. She also happens to be going through the same thing. We had a great discussion about the stupidity and insincerity of companies regarding in the matters of the death of a loved one. I wonder how many other stupid phone call I will be getting.

My dearest Willie, It was so nice to finally spend some time with you, Getty and your 4 legged family again. I can't tell you how much I enjoyed all the times playing ball and swimming in the pool. I had the time of my life. I miss you and hope we can be together again soon. Please thank you family for taking such wonderful care of me. Love and slobber to you all. Sophie

You are most kind my fuzzy friend. Perhaps Sterling is delayed by one of his mistresses again.

Why thank you dear Sebastian. Aye, Animal darlin', you heard me correctly. Please pull up a chair and join me with your Jameson. There should be quite the show when Sterling arrives.

I really don't understand what you are trying to accomplish. What exactly are you looking for in a finished piece? If you already have the RH pattern, why not use it? It is a correct mantua. Yes, it does have a few issues but I'm sure a call to Kass or others on the forum that have made mantua's from this pattern will be more than happy to help. Modern sewing techniques are one thing. I have often hand sewn over machine sewn visible seams to make an item look more authentic but modifying a modern garment is another story all together. I guess I just don't understand either.

Oooo, hogfish. I'm so jealous. That's the best tasting fish. 5 more months to go until I can eat that again. sigh...................... hey, eat some for me in the meantime, will ya

Bummed out and waiting for dog trainers to call back. The AKC good citizen class for Sophie got canceled, now I'm trying to find another one for her to take this summer. Poor Sophie, she's very disappointed too. What's with waiting for phone calls today, lol

That I am.

Oh my,

Not pirate in the least but it is my favorite. Ted Nasmith, By Moonlight in Neldoreth Forest from Tolkien's The Silmarillion

Thanks for posting this Cheeky. As a note to my mother's recipe. Tripe can be a little tricky. When boiling and cleaning, change the water at least once, maybe twice. But be careful not to over boil or the tripe will get mushy. Once around the pot means a thin layer that covers the entire surface of the pot.

Welcome to the pub Sebastian. Captain Sterling frequents this establishment quite often so I'm sure you will meet in time. Now tis customary for new members to buy the first round. I'll have some champagne if you please.

Awesome pics Jack. Too bad we couldn't hear the amazing echo.

I love tripe. Do you want my recipe?

I have an awesome recipe for tripe that you are welcome to. Are you sure you want to make it though? Not many people will eat tripe. But that could be a good thing. More for me