Silkie McDonough

Unless it was a guy in drag. I think that would count but I could be wrong ...I don't know about these things.

Very true Foxe. Still, the common use of cider, wine etc. points to the fact that even "respectable" persons imbibed regularly.

Prior to that they freely drank water despite the smell or the fact that it wasn't clear? I was sure that there were examples of people staying clear of water further back than that. I am a poor researcher so I try not to make my assumptions into fact. Thanks. I was pretty sure that this was the case but since I did not have he source available I was not going to say it like it was fact. Additionally, since we are discussing this in the 21st century I thought it best to use current terms.

Looks like I am repeating information that was previously posted but I am leaving this post anyway. Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe that water was often undrinkable in cities. Cider was used by many. Assuming that they were using hard cider it is likely that tolerance would been high. It is also likely that many people were functioning alcoholics. I may be stating the obvious here but I feel a need to complete the thought. Alcohol, as we know, removes many inhibitions. Therefore it stands to reason that even if "polite society" did frown upon lewd/lascivious behavior it wouldn't matter to the common man or woman, particularly if they were under the influence of alcohol. Yes this is conjecture and no I do not have reference material. If you have it either to support or contradict this statement PLEASE share it.

Happy Birthday Cap'n Rob.

The powers that be have decided to do an official Fort Taylor Pirate Invasion t-shirt (and totes, tanks, sweatshirts and hoodies too), which not only benefits the fort, but helps get yours truly to the event! Shirts will be available on men's t-shirts and tanks, as well as women's baby doll t-shirts and tank tops. All shirts are 100% cotton and will feature the compass pocket image and the crossed swords on the back. Prices reflect pick-up at the event in Florida. Anyone who is not attending, but would like a shirt, please add $5.00 for shipping. Orders will close on November 12th. Tote bags - $20.00 T-Shirts (men) - $20.00 T-Shirts (women) - $20.00 Men's tank - $24.00 Women's Tank - $24.00 Sweatshirts - $27.00 Pull-over Hoodie (men) - $35.00 Zipper Hoodies (men) - $40.00 Sizes up to 4x Payments can be made by check or paypal. Please send paypal payments to sweet_h2o@excite.com Please mail checks to: William T. Pace 143 South 400 West Logan, Utah 84321

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Just wanted to add another dirt here. Wood ash. The wood ash can get you very dirty and it doesn't come out in the wash so you can have your dirt and wash it too.

If the gathering takes place at The Hide my bouncers will be taking all weapons at the door so no sword fights and no duels on the spot. What you do the following morning has nothing to do with me. Oh yea, and any damage to the place will be charged to those involved in the damaging act.

Okay, mission said basically what I was working on saying. I don't think there is one answer to this. It would depend on the encampment and the event organizers. I think that if you choose to push the envelope at a public event after hours you need to be open to others requests to curb tho said behavior. On the other side of the coin I think that those who might prefer a less "barbaric" behavior need to be willing to voice that opinion (if the majority agrees) or remove themselves from that situation. If you want to portray a "real" pub or tavern I think that is best done in a private setting but that then changes the "reality" in itself. Again, no answer.

and now it doesn't. lol

The pub indicated that someone was in the chat room so I went in. There was no one there. I logged out and it the pub still lists me as being in there. Just thought I would let you know.

Somehow I am not able to find the name of the lecturer (could be that I didn't look hard enough). I would very much like to listen to what he has to say. Does he have a web site with a listing of his upcoming lectures?

Patrick! I am surprised at you! Dressing like that! You know better than that! Women were seldom pirates. They were the exception rather than the rule and I can assure you that they would never have dressed like that! Completely historically inaccurate!

Hence why my cousin Fionntan is at more events than I am. Unless we can have a respectable ordinary I tend to stay away. lol

No offense, I am 21 with ...errr ...several years of experience.

In my defense (not that I need a defense) I didn't like this genera even when I was in my teens. I have a hearing issue where I can't hear the separate sounds so it ends up sounding like noise to me, like being in a bar with loud music it just melds together.

I said I was wrong what more do yo want? Now don't get use to it!

I can sing and am not too off key when drunk, it is the research that kills me. I am sure there is some reference material out there but finding and keeping records of it is work that I have never been very persistent with. Since I am not a sailor any songs from the time would work ...if I like to sing them. Anyone out there want to just hand me the completer research?

Jen, anything you can get I would be interested in, as I mentioned my character is the owner of an ordinary. Thanks so much for sharing!

What did he say? Aye, a bit heavy for me also.

My apologies. I was mislead. I can't find a reference to blue aprons and whores anywhere. After doing more research, looks more like white aprons were the rule for whore's not blue. Blue was for tradesmen and the poor. Some whores wore blue gowns in certain work houses. For further information see "A dictionary of Slang and Colloquial English" by John Stephen Framer and William Ernest Henley and "A Dictionary of Sexual Language and Imagery in Shakespearean and Stuart Literature" by Gordon Williams. Both texts confirm the term white-apron to mean a prostitute and the second gives some wonderful examples of the white apron being used to draw in customers. Hmm ...I need to change the color of my apron. No, the current one is not blue! It is white with some embroidery and I am a tavern owner not a whore.

the blue apron is something that I heard from a reliable source. I believe it was a vivid blue as opposed to a light blue. I am looking for references and I will ask my source also.

Working girls wore blue aprons when looking for business. Good question about tavern's and in keeps. I am looking forward to the answer.