blackjohn

Speaking as a just another citizen... Personally, I don't really care about the treasure. As far as I'm concerned it is of little value, so they can have it. I just want them to get to it using archaeologically sound methods which allow for retrieval of the important artifacts. Then I want them to care for said artifacts, display them, and publish reports on their findings. Is that asking too much?

That sounds right. I believe the inventory I mentioned was from 1744. About 20 after the decade most of us think as the tail end of our era.

Good one.

If you believe these sorts of things. This was what, part of Roberts' articles as I recall... V. To keep their Piece, Pistols, and Cutlash clean, and fit for Service: In this they were extravagantly nice, endeavouring to outdo one another, in the Beauty and Richness of their Arms, giving sometimes at an Auction (at the mast) 30 or 40 l. a Pair, for Pistols. These were slung in Time of Service, with different coloured Ribbands, over their Shoulders, in a Way peculiar to thse Fellows, in which they took great Delight. As for the RN, I have seen (and posted, either here on the Pirate Brethren forum or mail list) a slightly later period accounting of the ship's muskets from... HMS Terrible(?)... some were left bright, some were japanned. I seem to recall reading the bright ones were left that way so they could still fit bayonets. Personally, I think it is all a matter of personal choice.

It doesn't work. The finders are usually only interesting in one thing - $$$$ - and they've been known to destroy important non-monetary value items to get to the treasure. Here's an example for you of "finders keepers" not working -- the wreck of the pirate ship Whydah. How much detailed information have you ever seen come out of hands of the owners? Just about zero, right? Right. Counter that with an example of a ship that was excavated by an organized group of archaeologists willing to share their finds, ala La Belle. Governments think differently. As do archaeologists. In this specific case, I don't know. It could be that they have a contract to develop deep water sonar for the Navy. Or they want to sell sonar to the highest bidder. But I don't know. But I do know this, the government does spend money searching for things. While I was in Sanctuaries I worked with an archaeologist who hitched a ride on the NR-1 in hopes of finding the Alligator. And even now, some people are on the lookout for some stuff in some place that I probably shouldn't mention. Hahaha.... I just remembered... when I was in Sanctuaries I had full access to the archaeologist's wreck database... and... never mind. I think I'll shut up now.

Hopefully some join effort will be undertaken to investigate, preserve and/or raise her. Here's the link the the CSS Alabama organization. They seem to have established good working relationship. http://www.css-alabama.com/challenge.html

Absolutely right. Given permission it is possible. UNCLOS, from what I've been told, leaves us with an interesting gap between the 24 mile limit and the 200 mile limit. Natural resources go out to the 200 mile limit, but the underwater cultural heritage jurisdiction of the coastal state only extends to the 24 nm limit. And I agree, it is fascinating. According to everything I have read, successor states retain rights to their forebears vessels. Noteworthy is the case of the French ship La Belle, and the situation with the CSS Alabama in French waters. At this point, I suspect most states have something similar to our Sunken Military Craft Act. http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org12-12a.htm

Excellent! I think I have that one. Great stuff, HPL.

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I've spent the last two months working on stuff about underwater cultural heritage. If this is a British man o' war, then it is still technically owned by the British navy. Most governments are beginning to press the point home that, regardless of passage of time, the vessel still belongs to the country of origin. http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org12-7m.htm Just a month ago the UNESCO Convention on the Protection of Underwater Cultural Heritage went into effect, but alas, the UK hasn't ratified it. Not that it matters in this case, it being a British naval vessel.

Quoted for truth. Not all swords are created equal. Saw a Paul Chen get snapped by an Armour Class sword a couple years ago. Sold my Paul Chen not too long thereafter.

Ridiculous... Though I may record it just so I can fast forward to the movie trailers. Supposedly there's going to be a new trailer for Star Trek XI.

Eh... save your money and buy a good book instead. Or some rum. Or both.

That's (one of the reasons) why I always carry an entrenching tool in the trunk... oh... you know, I don't think I put one in the back of this new car... I know there's a nice sword in the trunk... I can see it now... me hacking my way out of being plowed in with a sword...

Ok, and I found the email address for the sutler selling the hat Scurvy Hanna is wearing... leigh at dandy dot net.

If you did, I didn't see it. My apologies. He got his thrum cap from a woman we know who does sutlering... and what her shop is called totally escapes my mind at present. I'll dig through my stuff and find and email address and send it your way. Good question. I suppose one might be able to... technically it is just the left over bits (thrum) from the loom attached to some sort of knitted base. One site that I was able to find suggested the following as a reference, "17th Century Knitting Patterns - As Adapted for Plimoth Plantation."

oh... and there's my unfinished article on hats... written a couple years ago... I have no idea what it says, but I recall there are a bunch of illustrations of period hats... http://www.piratebrethren.com/articles/hats/hats01.html

Ice... treacherous stuff... by all rights I should be stuck in a ditch, but fortunately the snow plows came down the street I was trying to venture up, and I was able to crawl up the hill following their trail...

And there's the montero cap... which was once discussed on the Pirate Brethren forum some time ago...

There is also the thrum cap, as sported by Scurvy Hanna on our left.

Haven't watched it so much, though I know son#1 really likes it. I'm more of a Spongebob and Fairly Oddparents guy myself.

July Lockehouse is already on my calendar (or should be... runs and checks... yep it's there... Look at my Pub Profile and see!). I will be there as long as there are no real life mishaps. Brilliant! I (and the rest of the Pirate Brethren) look forward to meeting you!

Having spoken with Duncan on the phone a week or so ago, I know for a fact that the "reenactors" area will be open through Sunday for camping purposes. Last year he and his group had to break camp after the event (and I felt really sorry for them, as they have a ton of stuff) and he didn't want a repeat performance of that again this year. Given that, it isn't a huge leap to turn it into a two-day. I see the main problem as being the conflict with MTT, which is a pretty big draw for reenactors in these parts. It'll be interesting to see what the Baltimore Rangers and the Maritime Regiment of Foot do this year, because I know they were invited to come to Baltimore. I'm hoping that's where they decide to go.

If we make both Lockhouse events two days, you promise you'll show up for on of them?

Looks like we'll be there. It conflicts with the area's biggest timeline event, but most of my guys dislike timeline events so we decided to return to Baltimore for more fun.