Swashbuckler 1700

I KNOW THAT PERIOD PICTURES OF PIRATES SHOULD BE TREAT WITH CRITISISM. BUT TO IGNORE THEM 100% IS AS STUPID AS BELIEVE ALL WHAT IS IN THEM 100% No offence to anybody note that Rackham and England have quite loose hats All these are from 1724- 1726 Same with BB

Note fashion hat style change between 1690s an 1710 hat became less loose by 1710s... not only pic but I can not post all here... here is some 1690s evolution In history really often things do not happen suddenly but little by little and it is especially true with clothing,,,

I have to agree with this one because... it contained skeletons! Then there is the original skeleton sword fight, of course from . Yeah, the stop-motion isn't up to today's FX standards and the music is just plain dopey, but... it's a sword fight with a skeleton! Even better were the multiple fights from . Impacted my life greatly, that last one did (made me love the idea of animated skeletons). I am happy to admit that I have seen at least Jason movie and some of those Sinbads I have nothing against animated special effects but I don't like the aditude that I have often encountered "it is good if it old" but I agree with you that those are good duels....

'Pirates life for me! (I never been in that ride (yet )) never been on that ride? how can you call yourself a pirate? Pirate? Nay. Privateer. It is a Sanctioned mission, under your authority and the protection of the Crown.

indeed....

indeed.... and I am merely a privateer

Is that a same man than John Filips?

If we look Marlboroug's hat it is guite loose (from tapestry from early 18th century) same with privateer Bart Or in 1704 You are quite rigth. Indeed if we would take few random Woodes' crew members tricorns would not be dominant there were more caps and round hats and these two were more dominant hat styles Indeed tricorn had some kind of evolution in more smaller and more compact form but see that even circa 1709 Russian hat it is pretty similar that some of the later styles. My point is that (I am not actual reenactor but I have reenactor's heart) I think that 1-2 pirate reenactors can use tricorns and be accurate but often I see that 8 of 10 use tricorns or someting like that.... I dare to say that tricons were around in gaop but just here and there (if not count aristocracy) Like I said before in circa 1700 hats were little bit looser like in this and that is what Woodes' Tricorn should be like. To give some food for thought I post these pic here Poor peasants in europe in early 1730s And this admiral in 1703 has interesting tricorn backwards (I have talk about it with Foxe and we both agree that that is tricorn backwards) In some pirate forum there was nasty argument about hats. Lets keep this conversation reasonable and let us keep generalizations or sophistry off here...

To me it's the hats, shoes and the 'syrup' that look wrong for pre 1720 Trousers are okay from about 1540, if not earlier, see this chap from The Embarkation at Dover painted 1540's Canvas trews, short blue jacket, knitted hat, bog standard (English) sailor kit (With minor variations) right up to Nelson. Now where's that other early one with the sailors wearing flares and hooded tops.......... Rogers in civvies with family I have had interesting personal conversation with Foxe about hats and to me there is not much wrong in them pehaps woodes' tricorn style is bit later with style if the lace and all sailors used all kind of shabby hats ... Oh indeed buckles are too big. Especially Woodes' hats have stitch like this what is later style the white thing that attach brim to the crown and period hats have not much of them like in this circa 1700 french naval officer and his hat have none.

It seems that period writers were not always informed of things and even their writings (espicially Johnson's) should be treat with critisims... I found this: there slave has earring but since picture also has mythical creatures it could be better..... (note that slaves could often become pirates) It is title bage of Pere labat's book from 1725 http://jcb.lunaimagi...&mi=100&trs=127 Note Dutch illustration. So it seems that earrings have someting to do with Dutch... Also on the backround there is interesting sailors with Dutch style caps and interesting hair. is that a pony tail?

BTW this is oftopic but how old is the "aye"? It seems to be midle english but do you have other info? Oh I found this http://answers.yahoo...14154216AAt3FBu so it is atleast from 16th century....

I hind it really interesting that hello was not older than 19th century.... but interesting swearing stuff. I wonder that there is not "bloody **** or other stuff like that but is good to remenber that all words are not written down....

Oh woodes does have feathers http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~3828~6000002:Captain-Rogers-s-People-stripping-s?sort=Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle&qvq=q:woodes;sort:Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle;lc:JCB~1~1,JCBBOOKS~1~1,JCBMAPS~1~1,JCBMAPS~2~2&mi=4&trs=28 So one more point to this pic since feathers in hat decreased by late 18th century... Correct me if I am wrong

The sailors hats remids me of this circa 1700 hat It is land officer's but the style is not much different http://www.hermitage...m4_1_218_3.html but indeed the rosette or what ever was little later time's invention and more common ornaments then were feathers at least to my knowledge....

To me it's the hats, shoes and the 'syrup' that look wrong for pre 1720 Trousers are okay from about 1540, if not earlier, see this chap from The Embarkation at Dover painted 1540's Canvas trews, short blue jacket, knitted hat, bog standard (English) sailor kit (With minor variations) right up to Nelson. Now where's that other early one with the sailors wearing flares and hooded tops.......... Rogers in civvies with family I have had interesting personal conversation with Foxe about hats and to me there is not much wrong in them pehaps woodes' tricorn style is bit later with style if the lace and all sailors used all kind of shabby hats ...

So what descriptions there is sailors, pirates or common men's bad language? There is some pre hanging swearing but what about other... Also would officers or other punish for it? I know that (I live Finland BtW) in 17th century Finland (was then part of Sweden) cursing was punished by small penalty (probaply since government needed to get money) but about other countries or aboard ship? I believe that no one would bother..... Oh and those execution curses would be fine too...

Port Royal again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=850J9tYPd28 see 7.50.... Documentaries are often bad but this is good....

Between 1500-1830 sea life was pretty much same with diseases and all.... Huh? What does that have to do with the article or my comments on it? Well you were talking of that that sailor's diet was same for a long time and so was many other things....

This is handy http://digital.lib.ecu.edu/17001

Interesting, but not very surprising. "Feeding so many men was a huge logistical challenge requiring strictly controlled diets including flour, oatmeal, suet, cheese, dried pork, beer, salted cod and ships biscuits when at sea." That agrees pretty much exactly with what we've found here on the pub from reading period accounts. As the article later says, "The results revealed that the naval diet was virtually unchanged in 200 years." Which is also not very surprising to me given what I've read. "Our findings demonstrate the benefits of using forensic methods to complement documentary records." Uh huh. As much as I love forensic anthropology, I can't help but wonder if they couldn't have found a more productive way to spend the money used for this study. Between 1500-1830 sea life was pretty much same with diseases and all....

I bet that sailors alike would use any party as an excuse to hard drinking. No matter whether it's Cristmas or nameday of bilge rat

And well woodes wig looks like 1720-1760 wig so there has been done some study so it is not as bad as I said.... but cuffs are too small to be early 1700 coat...

Well that was not aboard ship but ashore but.....

Looking that pic again only brop are trousers and woodes hair.... jackets and other stuff has not changed too mutch.... So it gives still a feeling of GAoP sailor.

From Charles Johnson's Genereral history of pyrates. From Rackhan section "Prizes, to depart in her, she being then bound for that Island. After this Cruize, they went into a small Island and cleaned, and spent their Christmas ashore, drinking and carousing as long as they had any Liquor left, and then went to Sea again for more, where they succeeded but too well, though they took no extraordinary Prize, for above two Months, except a Ship laden with Thieves from Newgate, bound for the Plantations, which, in a few Days, was retaken with all her Cargo, by an English Man of War."