Swashbuckler 1700

At least for someone like me, and who is too a "weird" foreigner, it is less fun to lose this "privacy" behind anynomous forum account... But something to get used to I guess. (BTW Foxe: I have your document collection book now. It is great, of course. Really something that makes me feel hunger of information is fairly well satisfied)

Hmm. It seems all fairly specific and concentrated on reenacting. Do you deal with related but slightly deeper historical points?

Sad it has to be closed, but well, I can see why. I am no computer genius but: Why it cannot be left hanging around like regular pages? I mean no active accounts or registrations, just mere text and pictures. Archived version of the forum, not an interactive.

Quite a few have actually taken that pirates were cruel "murderers". Especially of the buccaneers of 1600s which are often still grouped with the later ones of 1700s. These texts like to use the cruelties to make a romantic bloodthirsty image. Of the 1700s pirates less this exists, however, I have noticed. But yes generally there seems to be a lot of understanding towards pirates. If anyone studies history of anything really one will find out that pirates are not the worst villains that existed, not in their own period. As one book that I cannot recall said it something like this of the pirates of the early modern period, "But in the whole the pirates were not much crueller than the members of armies and navies or other such persons of the time. They were the children of their own age." My point in this is not the clearest possible, but anyway.

Also the British ultimately issued their own privateers to attack the US rebels. Thus they indirectly admitted the rebels right to this kind of warfare. They did threaten to hang the captured rebels a few times tough. (I studied Revolutionary privateering for a uni paper, relatively low level one but still. Starkey's book mentioned above was one in the reference works.) Depending on the period for example this might be of use to you: Lydon, James G. Pirates, Privateers, and Profits. Upper Saddle River, NJ: The Gregg Press, Inc., 1970. It is about colonial New Yorker privateers of 1600-1760s

Some art pieces from National Maritime Museum's web collection A Dutch Settlement in India Made in 1670s by Backhuysen, Ludolf Read more at http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/13411.html#saGUBkq6vI5QB43G.99 A Spanish Three-Decker at Anchor off Naples Made in 1669 by Willaerts, Abraham Read more at http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/13377.html#BMX2GkgzgmYQjO5D.99

I would guess that no such maps exists. Anymore at least sadly. I would assume both make it seem too large a town. I think of the two AC is closer with its shanty town look. Nassau in Black sails is like more like a mix of colonial towns resembling even Havana and larger colonial capitals. Fore more info: https://csphistorical.com/2015/07/26/the-strongest-man-carries-the-day-life-in-new-providence-1716-1717/

Thanks for sharing. Most interesting. Another example of not saving. Did not something similar happen to Henry Every's men in Britain?

Print depicting Huguenot aggression against Catholics at sea. Horribles cruautés des Huguenots, 16th century. 1587

In the 17th Century Europeans entered Japan and while this was only a brief moment before Japan turned more inwards it produced some pictures too related to this. Japanese (or at least East Asian) view of a Dutch ship made between 1600 and 1699 see https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencollection/objects/48746/Ship_Painting Miracle of St Frana board the ship Santa Cruz enroute to Macau and Japan, 17th-century, Spanish painting. (Photo by DeAgostini/Getty Images); Lisbon, Museu De Marinha (Navy Museum).cis Xavier See http://www.gettyimages.fi/detail/news-photo/miracle-of-st-francis-xavier-aboard-the-ship-santa-cruz-news-photo/148276181

The importance of Netherlands in the 17th century is huge and be seen in the voluminous amount of artwork painted there. Here more Dutch paintings of ships and such. The Battle of the Downs, 21 October 1639 (Painted some time later) Features Dutch and Spanish ships fighting. Dutch attack on the Medway: the 'Royal Charles' carried into Dutch Waters, 12 June 1667 Beach and Van Ghent destroy six Barbary ships near Cape Spartel, Morocco, 17 August 1670

I wondered this exact same matter some time ago here It has been written much about pirates like Blackbeard and others and not much of these other people. I actually think in historical sense Condent might have been more important than many pirates we know better.

I think pirates and bad guys is a concept that, while in literature goes back of course to the General History of 1700s, is not so unfamiliar as often presented even in hollywood. The most famous pirate adventure Treasure Island that has many adaptations gives picture of cruel, dangerous, dishonest and alcoholic men for example. But certainly it is pretty unique in this scale so Black Sails offers something new. THe continuum with Treasure Island is interesting in this way too.

18th-century painting of Dirk Valkenburg showing plantation slaves during a Ceremonial dance. He lived during gaop and visited Surinam so the picture should be accurate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Valkenburg

Their website (Which we should not take too seriously) this was said and to me it hints of some kind of consensus, even while it doesn't directly say that all in the project actually agree. Indeed it seems that only one of the two sources say she was run aground in purpose, while the other says nothing about this. Soon after leaving Charleston, Blackbeard's fleet attempted to enter Old Topsail Inlet in North Carolina, now known as Beaufort Inlet. During that attempt, Queen Anne's Revenge and the sloop Adventure grounded on the ocean bar and were abandoned. Research by David Moore, and others, has uncovered two eyewitness accounts that shed light on where the two pirate vessels were lost. According to a deposition given by David Herriot, the former captain of Adventure, "the said Thatch's ship Queen Anne's Revenge run a-ground off of the Bar of Topsail-Inlet." Herriot further states that Adventure "run a-ground likewise about Gun-shot from the said Thatch". (Indeed correct and good points Mission. One cannot know all well enough. Anyway my point was that often, not speaking of any of the people here, people looking into maritime history focus only in technical things and details or individual happenings with sometimes poor background research. At least this is my impression after looking countless of studies e.g. about American Revolutionary naval war recently for a project (but this is partly caused by the fact some of the research is old). But, yes it is a valid genre when thinking it again, but I think it is still more a regional than thematic approach and thus pretty vague alone. Anyway.)

I would indeed add just one link that could as well be added to some other Jacobite thread. (And if need be people can move this elsewhere.) This is mostly about the criminals Foxe called individual crews who had little or no contact with other pirates, some of whom served in the forces of pro-Jacobite governments. However, this is an interesting example of the pragmatic nature of Jacobite sea rovers that pretty much corresponds the offer the Bahamian pirates sent to George Camocke. Even while these pirates were Operating in the Indian Ocean. I happened to found this article http://usd.ff.cuni.cz/?q=system/files/wanner%20pirate.pdf And another, perhaps less professional one http://www.academia.edu/11341203/King_Charles_XII_of_Sweden_and_the_Jacobite_Pirates_of_Madagascar

Now, I am not really in position to say much as the actual work is not familiar to me but: Some humble thought based on arguments floating around here. There are just plain thoughts and if you want to shoot them down, brief arguments are enough. These are not really serious claims of any kind. And I have nothing any of the presented viewpoints at all. 1. Why Teach left for North Carolina if his family and connections were in Jamaica. He could have accepted the pardon there from the governor as well. If he was a popular person, it wouldn't have been shameful to return there. 2. Being "a family man" doesn't mean someone couldn't be very violent or cruel person to others. 3. Being "Aristocratic" (or indeed mere "estate owner") in colonies might mean many things and doesn't necessarily mean high Social/ economical standing. People in the colonies were often someone who were "unwanted" in the main country or who has left it for some problems. 4. If the fact is indeed true and Blackbeard was a Jamaican planter, is it possible that Johnson put the real Blackbeard's story in his book, but under Stede Bonnet's name with few changes (Jamaica to Barbados etc.)? Do we know much about actual Bonnet? 5. If he was a planter and Bonnet is who we think he was we might have 3 Caribbean planters as pirates: Teach. Bonnet and Jennings. Does, this however, mean that pirate crews generally had a captain of upper social class? I think it barely means that. 6. What if Teach was just a pseudonym of Blackbeard? He might have just picked a name he heard while he was in Jamaica and work under it. Perhaps his family connections were even more secret. 7. These claims smells of conspiracy against a single man. Is it really that believable starting point? Conspiracy theories generally require a lot of things working together which makes them always less likely than other explanations. Being an academical student in more general history and being not really able to focus on mere maritime themes I have some other thoughts: New approaches are always needed, genealogy in this case. This is certainly true with maritime history which has often been an isolated field of history that doesn't really use all tools available to it but often focuses heavily on chronicle like telling. Like noted in article Maritime History as Global History?The Methodological Challenges and a Future Research Agenda Maria Fusaro noted "Within the Anglophone world, maritime history in its widest sense has been –historically and indeed culturally – extremely sceptical of theoretical approaches." (Maritime History, in my humble opinion, barely deserves its own category in modern scientific field. Maritime world has always been just a part of the general happenings. It this theatre of history, not a category lice "Social" or "Economic" history.)

Thanks. I knew this wasn't that "new". :)

Indeed I first encountered these series of pictures on wed but later I found them The Pacific navigators by Oliver E. Allen, Time-Life Books Time-Life Books, 1980 But then I found them on the web again. Mainly from Getty Images (for example this ) Some of the Watercolours from the log book/ journal of De Beauchesne, captain in the South Seas, 1698-1701. These features natives, French mariners and wildlife. I choose only ones with people in them while the animals were well drawn too. For more of these simple google De Beauchesne This one is to large for the site http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sea-lion-hunt-watercolour-from-the-log-book-of-de-beauchesne-captain-picture-id466302971 (people in this picture were referred as natives in the site's picture description.) Then some variation from different picture sources This was too large to put as a picture http://www.mae.u-paris10.fr/arscan/IMG/jpg/fig-_3.jpg

I always enjoy looking in to history of everyday items we now use and see. So I hope this can be a little helpful :) Both tea and coffee were luxury delicasies during this era for the most part, but people drank them. At this time both were got from the East, coffee from regions like town of Mocha in Arabia since its culvivation in America was only starting, and tea from eastern Asia. So they would have been expensive and so valued, but if pirates had no one to sell them perhaps they would have trown tea and coffee alike overboard. I remember that possibly an Indian Ocean pirate pirate Condent in 1720 or so left behind tons of spices after dividing loot with his crew in Madagascar propably as he had no one who could have taken them or just because other parts of the loot were satisfying enough. Or captured coffee and tea could be drank even while pirates preferred stronger drinks. I mean it would make sense to take use of the cargo. Of course certain equipment was needed, but some at least had what was needed for making tea. There was a teapot found from pirate Sam Bellamy's whipwreck Whydah, but it might have been more used by its former captain Lawrence Prince, who on the other hand was former privateer and sea rover too before becaming a slaver and a merchant. Some books say how pirate Bart Roberts drank only tea. or tea with added rum in it, but I am not aware if this is actually true. At least his teetotaler reputation may be an exaggeration or later made up after assumptions based on his aversion towards drunkenness of his crew. However for historical sense it seems likely that the drink (tea) was not awfully "edited" yet by Europeans or colonials. Looking wikipedia about English tea culture at least it seems that sugar was added and around 1720s or so milk, but not very much else. I think this wikipedia article is decent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_in_the_United_Kingdom#History On the other hand I remember that cocoa was drank with pepper and Vanilla around or a little before this time. Adding e.g. cinnamon to tea wouldn't have been much different.

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A new book dealing with Blackbeard the pirate has apparently been published. http://nc-historical-publications.stores.yahoo.net/4793.html Here is an article, while rather superficial, that it seems based on the writer's central arguments. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3373461/Was-Blackbeard-GENTLEMAN-Historical-records-feared-pirate-actually-aristocratic-family-man-gave-wealth-help-brother-sister.html Interesting. I wonder if its ideas will be accepted. I have not read the book or anything so I don't know too much about that. Still I found a link to the article and there to the book. Based on the short article it I am a little wary of some of the arguments. To me it even sees like the author is claiming "Blackbeard was not vicious pirate because he had a family, he served in the navy, and he treated his crew with medicine". But in general I have no reason to disagree with the general point, he was not a notably violent pirate and has a reputation totally undeserved. Based on the claims it seems to be based on pretty valid research. I will not judge anything further without knowing better. How come the birthday suggested now is 1683, meaning that the more or less made up idea of his birthday somewhere around 1680 is pretty accurate by accident.

Marlborough's Victories Playing Cards Published in 1707, these are pictorially the most elaborately engraved set of playing cards ever issued, and demonstrate fully the adulation at that time accorded to the first Duke of Marlborough during his overseas battle campaigns. Although primarily intended as a compliment to the Duke's successes, the pack deals with a variety of European political issues and includes several portraits of royalty connected with the campaigns. The spade suit comprises almost entirely a series of savage, not to say scurrilous, attacks upon the French king, Louis XIV. Found here Another picture of some of the cards from a different site.

Not the first time I post this, I think, but now it is much more detailed. The Humours of a Wapping Landlady," publisher unknown, 1743 It features sailors drinking at a inn in Wapping in East London, a part of the city with particularly strong maritime culture. Wapping was also the site of 'Execution Dock', where pirates and other water-borne criminals faced execution by hanging. To me it seems all of the males but the fiddler are sailors at least. In any case the main character dancing there is a sailor. This is made over a decade after the great age of piracy, but still illustrative of mariners carousing and merrymaking on land in 1700s. Another version Later reprint of 1767 Found here.

Here is a picture. Oddly I can found this mainly from Russian sites which is too bad as I don't know the language really. The last seems it was scanned from a book (see when zooming in the modern printing marks). THE WRECK OF THE ''GLOUCESTER'' OFF YARMOUTH, 6 MAY 1682 Johan Danckerts (1615-1687). http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14842.html Different variations