Swashbuckler 1700

It would be good if you would have also the one with handwriting... but if it is not easy to find you can leave it be...

Yes and those rules confirms that captains could sometimes dress a little better because they got biggest share of loot (with money you can buy more clothes from the purser or the most expensive clothes or get greater share of looted clothing) I believe that captured sailor clothing was also sold before the mast and not only finery...

According to some of the pirate articles we have from the General History, plunder was divided along very specific rules. I suppose a much-desired item could be sold (I don't recall the sale of Snelgrave's coat, but feel free to quote it here), but then to whom would the money it was sold for go? And if I recall the Rogers account, the men traded their clothing for fodd and souvenir type stuff at one of the ports they stopped at shortly after leaving England. No doubt some people saved and others didn't. However, the very nature of turning pirate seemed to favor the philosophy of "a short life and a merry one." Keep in mind that watches and vests could provide evidence if the pirates were caught, so someone with the foresight to save probably also would have the foresight to sell such things if they intended to live a life post-piracy. (I am conjecturing here that the reason for a pirate to save money would be for their retirement from the trade. At least I'm guessing that's what you're getting at.) Coat affair "Amongst my Adventure of Goods, I had in a Box three second-hand embroidered Coats. One day the three Pirate Captains…enquired for them, saying, “They understood by my Book such Clothes were in my Ship.” I told them, “They were in a Box under the bed place in the State-room. So they ordered them to be taken out, and immediately put them on.” But the longest Coat falling to Cocklyn’s share, who was a very short Man, it almost reached as low as his Ancles. This very much displeased him, and he would fain have changed with Le Boofe, or Davis: But they refused, telling him, “As they were going on Shore amongst the Negroe-Ladies, who did not know the white Mens fashions, it was no matter. Moreover, as his Coat was Scarlet embroidered with Silver, they believed he would have the preference of them, (whose Coats were not so showy) in the opinion of their Mistresses. The Pirate Captains having taken these Cloaths without leave from the Quarter-master, it gave great offence to all the Crew; who alledg’d, “If they suffered such things, the Captains would for the future assume a Power, to take whatever they liked for themselves.” So upon their returning on board next Morning, the Coats were taken from them, and put into the common Chest, to be sold at the Mast."

This gargo did not have too much black silk but it had some the Boston Newsletter, June 1722 listed a variety of garments the Ed Low's pirates took: "…one scarlet suit of Clothes, one new gray Broad Cloth Coat, 1 Sword, with a fine red Velvet Belt…nine Bags of Coat and Jacket Buttons, a considerable quantity of sewing Silk and Mohair, Shoe Buckles…one Scarff of Red Persian Silk, fringed with black Silk…one Beaver Hat bound with Silver Lace… "

Pirates migth have got dark silk as loot and done flag with it. Linen also rotates in my mind and black would not be impossible to get. school me if I am wrong....

Hi I was wondering some stuff This is quote from GHoP " The rest appeared gay and brisk, most of them with white Shirts, Watches, and a deal of Silk Vests" this describes Bart Roberts' pirates when they dressed up just before capture While it is perhaps stuff that writer had made up (it is I think unlikely and if my memory serves me rigth that was what the surgeon of HMS Swallow wrote) And when I came accors that that In 1720 pirates under the leadership of Howell Davis, Thomas Cocklyn, and Oliver la Bouche captured the Bird, an English vessel captained by William Snelgrave. When the men confiscated the booty, it included bolts of satin, silk, and taffeta; coats; watches; and waistcoats( not to metion those captains's coats and that one coat affair between pirates) some could verify this captured gargo to be real to make sure that I am not lying here. All know that Roberts was the successor of the Davis and the crew was pretty much same. So it seems to me that loot (like told by Snelgrave's coat affair) was sold before the mast like slop clothing to pirates and some of the Davis's men had those stolen clothes still when they were captured and dressed in them... if true I am surprised I have heard strories like that that some of the W. Rogrer's men gambled their clothes but were there really savers among the prodigal sons.....

Oh and indeed the artefact gives us just a glimpse of reality since this was just one ship and that what pirates in Wydah had or had not differed from that in other ships not to metion that many artifacs are not yet found or perhaps never will be ... so there is perhaps earring, parrot skeleton, or bucket boot layer yet to be discover on the sea bed (ofcourse humour...)

Yep, that's what happens in Twill! While the silk stocking is (I believe) the only complete piece of clothing found so far, there are over 100 other pieces of fabric of different types. The silk stocking is especially interesting because there's a very high chance that the original owner can be identified - John King, a fairly wealthy lad, whose ownership of silk stockings is not surprising. This also raises the issue of his shoe. The much vaunted "Whydah shoe" has been copied extensively for pirate reenactors, but given its origins I have long questioned how far it should be assumed "typical" Buttons and buckles occur frequently in sailors' wills and seem to have been a form of portable wealth. Define successful. The capture of the Whydah aside, Bellamy and his company were no more successful than many other pirates like Blackbeard and Roberts for example. There is a tendency to assume that most pirates were not so successful as the "big names", but in practice the companies of Bellamy, Roberts, Blackbeard, Taylor, La Buse, Low, and other "successful" pirates made up a very considerable portion of the pirates active in the GAoP. One thing to bear in mind with any artefact assemblage like the Whydah stuff is that it is, at best, partial, and can only tell us what pirates had - not what they did not have, or how prevalent any particular item was. For example, only half a dozen or so plates have been recovered, but there were over 140 men aboard when she sank, so either we have to accept that ~135 plates have been lost (or not yet found) or that only 4% of pirates had plates... Oh when I said that "popular image is far to flashy" I meant that it is "far too flashy"

I also believe that what pirates (if succesful) would wear similar clothing to the wealthy sailors like one here of just little of period pic of sailor who have got some prise money... And like Foxe said buttons and buckles were sailors' form of portable their wealth like this man here... So here we had (almost) period pic that can tell us that sailors alike liked to swagger if there was opportunity... I am still not defending popular image...

I have done some also more pics in here http://pyracy.com/in...tic-pirate-art/

Yep, that's what happens in Twill! While the silk stocking is (I believe) the only complete piece of clothing found so far, there are over 100 other pieces of fabric of different types. The silk stocking is especially interesting because there's a very high chance that the original owner can be identified - John King, a fairly wealthy lad, whose ownership of silk stockings is not surprising. This also raises the issue of his shoe. The much vaunted "Whydah shoe" has been copied extensively for pirate reenactors, but given its origins I have long questioned how far it should be assumed "typical" Buttons and buckles occur frequently in sailors' wills and seem to have been a form of portable wealth. Define successful. The capture of the Whydah aside, Bellamy and his company were no more successful than many other pirates like Blackbeard and Roberts for example. There is a tendency to assume that most pirates were not so successful as the "big names", but in practice the companies of Bellamy, Roberts, Blackbeard, Taylor, La Buse, Low, and other "successful" pirates made up a very considerable portion of the pirates active in the GAoP. One thing to bear in mind with any artefact assemblage like the Whydah stuff is that it is, at best, partial, and can only tell us what pirates had - not what they did not have, or how prevalent any particular item was. For example, only half a dozen or so plates have been recovered, but there were over 140 men aboard when she sank, so either we have to accept that ~135 plates have been lost (or not yet found) or that only 4% of pirates had plates... Well Blackbeard took about 40 ships and bellmy 50 (or am I wrong) other the silk sling found with the pistol was not probaply John Kings' and to me that that pirates used silk to so mundane purpose can tell someting.... Was King rich? I know that he was passenger with his mother until pirates captured them but were they really wealthy? About plates and other stuff I believe that not every pirate had his own plate but I believe that some artifacts are still on the sea bed and total amount of plates was someting like 10 or 20 or little more ( this is not based on anyting other than my belifs)... And so sailors and especially pirates had silver and other expensive buttons.... Well that John King was weathy lad means only that there was some wealthier pirates like b Roberts (I know this is from johnsons' book )(Roberts I believe looted his clothes from the governor of Martinigue who Roberts so brutally executed. So I believe what Johnsons said about Black barts's look since if man loots 400 ships he could get his hands on sime nice gear So does his crew like the surgeon of HMS Swasllow described (yes in GHoP but..) "This Ship was commanded by one Skyrmé, a Welch Man, who, tho’ he had lost his Leg in the Action, would not suffer himself to be dressed, or carried off the Deck; but, like Widrington, fought upon his Stump. The rest appeared gay and brisk, most of them with white Shirts, Watches, and a deal of Silk Vests, but the Gold-Dust belonging to them, was most of it left in the Little Ranger in the Bay, (this Company's proper Ship,) with the Royal Fortune." In any case King and others like Roberts were exceptions and normal pirate would wear linen and wool insead of silk (and so should lets say reenactors do) .( And if you have not any strong or reasonable objections I can remain in this faith...) tell still what you think...

More Ring Bomds pistol and bag writing tools buckler and buttons

Hi I am not unfortunately seen whydah artifacs in reality but I know lots of stuff there has been found... Since I am not a real expert others who do know better can school me if needed I have Some interesting points about that stuff While the typical pirate image is far too flashy and I am not defending it to be accurate I wonder what that that only 100% genuine part of pirate clothing is silk stokking and what will the big number of silver buttons and decorative buckles tells us anout pirate clothing. other artifacts like small swords are also interesting but it is really well possible that some of the finest clothing and these swords were in fact loot and not all used. I have found the list here of the stuff http://www.piratebre...rtifacts01.html but in any case Bellamy was one of the succesful pirates of the age and that what he and his crew were like cannot aply fully to casual pirates who were much more poor but up to a point certainly it can be aplied... Here are some pics button sword part pistol shoe and silk hose

Is there signatures in it? if there is how many names and how many marks? So we can know someting about that how many man could write their own name.....

Since this was tread for all pictures I show you some modern pics of historical sailors SO THIS ARE NOT FROM THE PERIOD Here are gallery of some and he or she has old sigarette gards about sailors so check them out http://www.flickr.com/photos/mando_gal/5021689416/in/photostream/ they are fairly accurate I dare to say.... You will find my buddy icon there..

I think that New York was so full of " red sea men" in 1690s that any sailor could be potential pirate and hence there was no matter which part of the town you hired crew there would allways be some pirates... And well if enough drunk pirates could confess anything but what is the matter when even Governor did not care.... For fun of it I post one pyle pic to cheer up this tread's look.... accurate well not 100% but good looking and it gives the fleeling of how pirates were welcome to America in 1690-1700. All know this but here are Tew and Governor of NY smoking and chatting

I just read Brian Lavery's book "ship" and i foung some interesting info that in early 17th century Piet Heijn invested a form of copper covering but it did not work very well. In 1670s lead plates were tried but that was just a mess. Less of the story seems to be correct and so does the wikipedia when books says that the RN ship Alarm was firt real copper plated vessel ..And that was in 1761.

It's odd, in some cases the articles appear to have been adhered to with an almost devotional fervour, but in other cases "more like guidelines" would appear the most appropriate description. For further examples from Roberts' articles, at least one boy was definitely aboard Roberts' ship, despite being banned in the articles; soldiers who joined Roberts' company were only awarded 1/4 of a share, instead of the whole share they were entitled to; and, despite Roberts' articles being the only set to stipulate that "every man shall have a vote...", in practice less than half the people on board were enfranchised. Hmm "All are equal, but some are more equal than others"....

Great analysing here that is what this tread was for... Nothing to add for othrer commets...

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I found no better thing to do in my holiday so... Here is good old "The cloth shop" with colors. featuring Dutch captain and cabinboy http://www.niceartga...-Shop-1709.html Here some late 17th century dutch port view... Clik it to make it bigger and see all those juicy details including but not limited to: port stuff, Thrum caps, vessels...

BTW is that (latter pic) red fur edged sting a coat too ( Captn is just not put it on yet ). see there is buttons there and that on captains hand seems to be sleeve... interesting I have always thought it as red fur cloak but it seem sto be in fact a coat...

It is Hogarts's...