Swashbuckler 1700

Sorry that I forgot the relevant rituals... I was able to find some thing related hooks of 17th or 18th protestic Odd coincidence happened when I was reading some illustrated history book...there was mid 18th century W. Hogart's illustration and it had guy with both Hook and wooden leg He was dressed in wig and coat so he was probaply officer or perhaps some navy person.... here it is (with not so good quality) http://www.history.o...ges/polling.jpg Here with colors http://upload.wikime...Hogarth_031.jpg Note man's (in the left in pic 1 and pic 2 is mirror image and he is on the right ) hand on the book...

I do believe that is a reference to the Duplessis watercolors from a French expedition to the Pacific Ocean from 1698-1701. Fox has an image of it on his site: http://pic100.pictur...55/86051167.jpg Also, there is a hat on the illustration of the Spanish sailor equipment from 1725 that kind of has this look as well, but is only referred to as a bonete: http://www.piratebre...sailornotes.gif Also, in the Will of John Hutchinson from 1684, it mentions a mounteer cap, which is a variant name on the montero cap according the Oxford English Dictionary. Fo rthe will, see pg 58 of Peter Earle's Sailors: English Merchant Seamen 1650-1775. So, maybe the 1698 Joseph Haycock slop shop inventory is referring to the mounteer cap. But, there are only 2 of them in that shop with so many others. There is no doubt that these caps were worn in the Atlantic World by at least some sailors, but to say it was common is hard to say. That there was only 2 caps can mean that they were bought out...still I don't believe that they were very popular in early 1700s... Oh and one article by Foxe says: "Montero caps would also have been ideal for inclement weather. They are mentioned in the inventory of Haycock’s shop, but seem to have been steadily declining in popularity so would not have been particularly common during the Golden Age of Piracy."

Interesting period view of tigers... oh and look my reply to another topic there somewhere...

Nice book BTW there

Oh and Foxe you are needed in "hand hook?" convercation

BTW why those other gaop ladies are discriminated... there are not in any book or etc

Oh I mean that video "Life Aboard a Pirate Ship"

Hi Mission have you seen this http://www.history.com/videos/special-true-caribbean-pirates---mistresses-of-the-sea#life-aboard-a-pirate-ship It is part if documentary (note that always in documetaries you need bit critisism ) Oh and warning there is ads there....

Nah...I was just curious... And I am buiding mental picture of real historical pirates....

I think that ths topic needs some magic touch off mr.Foxe.....maybe he would know about pirate hooks and peglegs and this is topic about hooks

OK interesting so it is quite old but not in use in gaop..

-When ship hull copper plating was used? If my memory serves me right there is plating on cutty shark’s hull and (I am not completely sure) HMS Victory’s hull, but how old copper hull plating is?

........My point exactly !! I think the artist based it on what seamen were wearing at the time the illustration was comissioned, and apparently had no studio props to base detail on, thus the poorly rendered weapons. Blackbeard's appearance was apparently based on the artist's imagination, and whatever descriptions he could get from his client. >>>>> Cascabel I can only repeat what Foxe said....You have point but what sailor were wearing in 1730s would certainly not be very different than it would be 1718 (and we know ith was practically similar because of other sources)...There certainly were some artistic liberties as always in illustrations (even in photos cropping etc can lie) but we cant say that all illustrations are bad....Some could argue even in documentary evidence relying on to language changes etc... but lets not get paranoid here this picture of Blackbeard is good refenrence but not perfect.... Lets not debate with this please

About the tree...I belive that is supposed to be pine...It also may represent a palm tree and it has been drawn by illustrator who had never be in tropics or seen palm tree (or blackbeard).

Were there really “slop chests” aboard merchant ships and if there was what kind of clothing they included? Sorry if I am over active here but....

Working on it... not only all the things we know are wrong, but also all the things we know are right, and most importantly, where "Johnson" got his information. Current estimated completion date: 2020. So pretty soon

So both pirates and privateers had wooden legs but to me hooks are mystery... And this topic is about hooks

No, they only takes ships with whom the country issuing the letter of the marque is at war with. They are technically a private extension of the issuing countries forces. Pirates take ships from any nation. Yes yes I know but in reality they often just plundered any ship that they come a cross and turned pirate....Like pirates like Blackbeard who probaply was privateer before he started pirating (I migth add that his story and real mane are hot potato to historians) And actually some pirates Like B. Hornigold even as pirate did not wantted plunder ships of own nationality... No, they only takes ships with whom the country issuing the letter of the marque is at war with. They are technically a private extension of the issuing countries forces. Pirates take ships from any nation. Yes yes I know but in reality they often just plundered any ship that they come a cross and turned pirate....Like pirates like Blackbeard who probaply was privateer before he started pirating (I migth add that his story and real name are hot potato to historians) And actually some pirates Like B. Hornigold even as pirate did not wanted to plunder ships of own nationality...

Good find! One I clearly missed. Which story is that from? (I may be wrong, but doubt Foxe will find evidence for or against such a mundane detail.) I still maintain privateers are a different species. If they are operating properly, they have a legal letter and only take ships of the nations their letter of the marque details. As for hand hooks, I had never seen evidence of them before you guys mentioned Christopher Newport, of whom I had never heard before. Most of the surgical manuals don't mention prostheses except Pare (who seems to have been fascinated by them) and Dionis. I guess it's a French thing... Well It is in Edward England's story and this mention is also added in Foxe's article so I thik he thiks that it is good source.... And well between privateer and pirate there is only difference that privateers give some loot to goverment and don't use Pirate Flag...

But this was topic about hand hooks

Oh i believe that those pictures are pics of some more sophisticated and more expensive protestic that would not be in major use....

O and here is Foxe'x article: http://www.piratesinfo.com/cpi_pirate_myths_pirate_legends_944.asp

Oh and this François or Francis Le Clerc, known as Jambe de Bois ('Peg Leg'), was a 16th century French privateer.....

Here is Wooden legged pirate from C Johnson's book: ".... a Fellow with a terrible pair of Whiskers, and a wooden Leg, being stuck round with Pistols, like the Man in the Almanack with Darts, comes swearing and vapouring upon the Quarter-Deck..." is this real story maybe it is maybe it is not but if there were not those wooden legs Johnson would not be familiar with those....

I agree with you and I believe that: "there maybe some one or two women as men but certainly there were very very few...."