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Ok good to know...

Well Mary Read was hiding her sex in Dutch ship before she turned pirate, when Rackman took the ship.... As a pirate either one hide their sex....actually accordig tho some Frechmen's statement Both Read and Bonny used sometimes womens clothes.. If I am not rigth sai so But there were problems with disguised women in ships In the most best know articles by B.Roberts there is this "No boy or woman to be allowed amongst them. If any man were to be found seducing any of the latter sex, and carried her to sea, disguised, he was to suffer death" Please if this topic continues I hope that no one brings "Charlotte de Berry" in this discussion...Since she was almost certainly not real person at all...

Actually when listening what Gordingly said (in some documentary...and I know that he is not always right ) he said that they were more bigger three masted ships crossing atlantic than we usually believe...Oh and he was speaking of merchants... So larger vessels were usefull in ocean crossing....

I believe that many of those bahama pirates in 1715-1718 used often sloops since they were good in shallow waters (and were easily available and easy to get) that there in the bahamas were but in longer voyage I would chose brigantine or frigate or slaver. In sloops cannon ports are low and in real Atlantic storm they are not in good....sloops were small so i would not dare cross oceans whith so puny vessel

Well obviously in those days women dressed as man would be real scandal like in case of Anne bonny and Mary read. Women disguised as a man would even be hard to believe to people back then. In his book (general history of pirates) C.Johnson writes: "NOW we are to begin a History full of surprizing Turns and Adventures; I mean, that of Mary Read and Anne Bonny, alias Bonn, which were the true Names of these two Pyrates; the odd Incidents of their rambling Lives are such, that some may be tempted to think the whole Story no better than a Novel or Romance; but since it is supported by many thousand Witnesses, I mean the People of Jamaica, who were present at their Tryals, and heard the Story of their Lives, upon the first discovery of their Sex; the Truth of it can be no more contested, than that there were such Men in the World, as Roberts and Black-beard, who were Pyrates". And with this kind of clothing hiding sex would not be impossible http://www.clipart.d...e_pirate001.jpg There is typical sailors clothing (None sash is not very accurate). In Toilet.... well in ships you can go gunwale and do what you must do in the cover of the night...

- Foxe. Has the Golden Hind replica a wheel and if it does have one (like I have seen in some photos), Why? During 16th century there were not ship’s wheels (not until c.1700-1715 when they started to be common in larger ships). Is the reason so simple that it is easier to steer ship with wheel and authenticity was less important than functionality? Btw the ships wheel is often error in movies like Cutthroat Island (which is sets in 1668)... Source of this information: There is plenty so this is definately truth. Here is one source but there is more... http://blog.handcraf...the-ship-wheel/ If some did not know that during even in Gaop wheels were rare..... but many probably know this fact... In any case why GH replica has wheel? BtW what do you like of my signature quote?

Yep there were allkind of vessels from fishing boats to Frigates or Man-of wars...

What! three-decker pirate ship...Wait was that the very same ship that had plenty of jewels and other valuables and was there some Portuguese Viseroy aboard.... or was that other vessel?

About firearm: I am satisfied that it is just poorly drawn musket. Some pirate book said also so about this pic.

Were there BTW gold dust in La concorde when it was taken by (you know who the history's most overvalued pirate)... did captain Dosset had gold dust in addition to slaves (I have heard rumors)?

Yeeeech ....Well history often is...

Thanks . So there were matchlocks but flintlocks started to be overbearing by this time....I think that you ment 1680s and 1690s when you said "During the 80s and 90s, the Dutch even sold a transition piece between the Matchlock and flintlock"?

Oh! I was rigth about Ed Low's schooner See: "Edward Low- Fancy, Scooner 10 Guns 80 tons ....(sorry if i should have put this with same reply with other stuff).... You have a point Foxe that there were indeed many bigger ships...but number of sloops is still prominent.

If i remember Right Stede Bonnet in his early career burned some ships because he did not wanted spread information about his activities. But Bonnet was far away of typical pirate since he was a gentleman, he bought his sloop and crew was paid like in merchant vessels. So I am not arguing with Foxe since I am always know that only few pirates were very gruel like Francis Spriggs or Ed Low ...Buccaneers however were more gruel and occasionally migth kill whole Spanish crew since often buccaneer leaders (privateers) despised spaniards more than anything....but when examining buccaneers national probacanda must be noted. And about schooners: If we believe Swedish BJörn Landström's ship book first real schooner was build in North-America (did i spelled that right?) in 1713 (note similar ships has been around (in Dutch usage) in 17th century onwards.) So schooner is bit more USA's revolution privateers vessel than Gaop ship, but if my memory serves me right Ed Low had someting to do with schooners and i believe that many fishing vessels or turtlers (sea turtle fishing boats) had quite similar rigging than schooners.

The portrait has been many books and various wedsites....I would dare to say it is from circa early 18th century.... There is source of other picture http://www.dbnl.org/...601_01_0048.php

Fascinating that the W Rogers maybe had his hand also in this issue....

Hi has anybody made calculations of pirates ship types? (like 45% gaop vessels were sloops, 15 slavers....etc.) my investigation leads me to point that there were most of small sloops, plenty of brigantines and some early schooner in gaop but few bigger slavers like the "Whydah" or QAR. Some pirates in gaop used even warships like Black Bart.

Yes I know but I am still surprised. Apparently I have under estimated pirate loots (so there was more than just some sugar, slaves, rum and cocoa)

Isn't there always some who don't want use new stuff. there is still people who don't use modern electronics etc.

Btw Where weapons to ships come from? were they army surplus equipment?

This is perfect example that history is often more exciting or odder than fiction and everything is always unclear. Fashinating stuff

Does anybody know were the Matchlock muskets/other firearms popular or even commonly used during Gaop (1690-1730)? Many sources say that they were replaced by the flintlocks in early 17th century onwards and practically disappeared by early 18th century? I know that many buccaneer musket even as early as the 1650s had flintlocks but was the matchlocks still used with flintlocks as late as Gaop at least they were around in large extent 1400-1680s or so..... but what about Gaop were there much Matchlocks around? I believe that only few were used.

Well there is some pictures about Peter the great representing him as carpenter working in Dutch- and English shipyard. That are this paintings and engravings entirely truthfull is case of debate but there is some 18th century pics. here

. So how old were dirk daggers in naval use? 16th century or 17th century or 18th century?

I am amazed of that someone (Foxe) had done so specific calculations . In the list the number of gold and other valuables is much greater than I estimated (I used to believe that only Elizabethan privateers and buccaneers of 17th c got that much gold but that much in Gaop I am surprised) . Same with clothes. The numder of stolen booze is (i think) surprisingly small.