Swashbuckler 1700

Picture sharing time snuffing in 1690s It would have been better not to carry all instruments at the same time European man doing nasty things in late 17th C possibly buccaneer http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~3745~5860005:Wrede-strasse-van-een-Planter-aan-z?sort=Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle&qvq=w4s:/what/Artifacts, industry, and human activities/Pirates/where/[Amsterdam];sort:Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle;lc:JCB~1~1,JCBBOOKS~1~1,JCBMAPS~1~1,JCBMAPS~2~2&mi=9&trs=22 Odd picture http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~4617~7290002:-Man-attacks-sea-monster-?sort=Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle&qvq=w4s:/when/1651-1700;q:sea;sort:Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle;lc:JCB~1~1,JCBBOOKS~1~1,JCBMAPS~1~1,JCBMAPS~2~2&mi=0&trs=33

Had militia any kind of uniforms? ( were they same militia companies that were later called " minutemen"?)

I was wondering was fluyts used by Dutch in other places than the Baltic? ( tax avoidance on the Øresund was reason to flutes' odd shape) If someone don't know what the flute is here is nice pic of a model

If I make trip to Porvoo sometimes I will visit there ....nice place it seems..... What a nice waistcoat and it has sleeves hmmm (wondering one other tread....)

That is virtually identical to my kitchen table - awesome! (My kitchen table has fewer drawers and more dog-damage) There could have been well be dog- damage in real gaop furniture as well ( and in present day... oh my home's poor doors...) I dare to say that in this picture's table is quite similar to this (but there is the tablecloth so we will never know) http://i.telegraph.c...90_1716746c.jpg Really beautiful furniture here great posts keep up the good work there.

There's another, soldier this time judging by his redcoat, in the voting scene of the same set with what could be a hook on his left hand but shhhhhh we don't want that info getting out ;o) 3 of 4 The Polling May as well have the set, 1 0f 4 An Election Entertainment 2 of 4 Canvassing for Votes Got to see the set and loads of other Hogarth paintings at the Tate a few years back, the detail is amazing and prob'ly all hidden(To us now at least) messages and politics. There was already conversation of that first pic in "hand hooks" head In last pic that man seems to be one eyed man ( one smoking there). Nice kerchief in the II image there. In picture III there is also waistcoat without sleeves hmm...( just wondering stuff for other topics )

I bet that hairy man on the corner (with violin) looks also like somebody. Nice monkey Mission

Yeah it was... If you did not know here is information. ( if you knew then nothing) http://www.fncv.com/...s/index_va.html This Dutch captain has quite heavy armor ( made circa 1700)

So topic is the armor use in Gaop I have been wondering how popular would any kind of armor be in Golden age. I have seen lots of pictures gentleman sporting with them (it seems that they were some kind of status symbols in 17th C and early 18th C). It seems that European armies practically abandoned them by late 17th century and they stayed only in cavalry’s equipment. I was wondering what kind of armor would be used (if used) aboard ship since it seems that some Naval officers used them occasionally well in to mid-18th century. Like (it seems likely that they were just using them for portraits) He was admiral Benbow in 1701 Admiral Russel ( who was one of the William Kidd's supporter to his privateer trip) Does some Have something to add? If it I would love to hear it.

Could be just that, a cocked hat with a red crown but I've never come across mentions of different coloured crown in all my hat research(which is quite a bit) plus it's on a sailor, me I'm not leaning one way or t'other just flagging it up as a possible. Both are red cockades, the other candidate's supporters wear a blue one, the red and blue cockades are a common theme in all 4 of the Election Series. In Hogarth it's not just sailors who carry cudgels/heavy walking sticks, they are the 'weapon of choice' of a lot of his country and poor folk, in fact cudgeling was a common past-time/sport in the late 17thC & 18thC the basic idea being to draw an inch of blood, for a win. From a newspaper of June 1721 about the Broughton Green Fair "the Earl of Stafford has been pleas'd to give a hat, Value one Guinea, to be play'd for on Monday at Cudgels........" Other entertainments were wrestling, horse racing and a ladies smock race. an excuse for blokes to see women running in their shifts in the hope that one would fall and flash her bits =o) See it is tricorn with cockade and all. It has the sides of tricorn but indeed red crown.... odd.... Thanks for the pic

To me it is just a tricorn with red crown. Nice wooden legged sailor ( clothing and cane reveals that hi is a sailor. Are those slop trousers?) Note that half naked man on the left has similar hat with orange cockade....

To wake up old tread It is possible that the artists is not P. Monamy at all see this page http://www.cichw.net/pmodds1.html There is actually not date known as far as I know and many books and web pages say either early/ mid/late 18th c and those which dare to guess date say either 1730 or 1760. So is that leather cap why not but I think it is quite unlikely… Educate me if needed… In one book there is interesting view of those Rn caps. see this tread (where it is as offtopic stuff ) http://pyracy.com/in...s/page__st__180 There is view of them as quite grenadier cap like caps which are quite similar to this later cap from 1770s http://www.hmsrichmo...bargeseaman.jpg that style is still just a one possibility.....

Those are neat, and I was excited to find a pictures of the preparation of sea turtles, but while searching for the book they're from I realized that they're actually drawn to represent voyages that occurred in the 1500s. So they're not really GAoP, even if they were drawn during that time. Then again, I don't recall seeing any other images of turtle preparation thus far, so they're better than nothing. The sea turtle image appears (as best I can tell) to be in preparation of a voyage taken by Antonio de Herrera y Tordesillas. I think. this is from 1722 http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~1067~1230017:Tortüe-qui-veut-pondre,-Maniere-de-?sort=Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle&qvq=q:turtle;sort:Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CP

So were Gaop waistcoats more often were without sleeves or with them? I am speaking of common men and sailors what would be the case I don't need patterns or anything but I was just wondering this as an historical issue. I have found more pictures of them with sleeves ones like here

Late 17th century party in playing card Mid 18th century admiral Admiral 1670s Portrait of Michiel Adriaenszoon de Ruyter, 1607–1676, Lieutenant-Admiral-General of the United Provinces a little bit out of Gaop piracy but there is lovely view of English seamen on the right. Oh and it is from 1755 http://jcb.lunaimagi...2~2&mi=2&trs=47 Men prepare and salt turtles for provisions made in 1706 (may well present an earlier time) http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2&mi=14&trs=47 Ship wreck in 1706 http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2~2&mi=1&trs=6 Sea lion hunt made in 1706 ( may well present an earlier time) http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2~2&mi=3&trs=6 cartagena map. From 1588 http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2&mi=0&trs=460 Buccaneers ("made" in 1813 but it seems to have origins from earlier time) http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2~2&mi=0&trs=1 Capt. Bartholomew Roberts From Johnson's book (1736 edition) Note juicy details like bones and skull on the ground or one of Roberts pirates who Btw has nice little brim hat. http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~1786~2720005:Capt--Bartholomew-Roberts-?sort=IMAGE_DATE%2Csubject_groups&qvq=q:%3D%22One%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bmost%2Bnotorious%2Bpirates%2Bof%2Bhis%2Bday%2C%2BRoberts%2C%2Bknown%2Bas%2BBlack%2BBart%2C%2Bpracticed%2Bpiracy%2Boff%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bcoast%2Bof%2BBrazil%2Band%2Bin%2Bthe%2BCaribbean%2Bwhere%2Bhe%2Bwas%2Bsaid%2Bto%2Bhave%2Bcaptured%2Bover%2Ba%2Bhundred%2Bships.%2BThis%2Bwork%2Bis%2Boften%2Battributed%2Bto%2BDefoe%2Bbased%2Bon%2Btextual%2Brelationship%2Bto%2Bworks%2Bof%2BDefoe's%2Bproven%2Bauthorship%2Btogether%2Bwith%2Bsupporting%2Bexternal%2Bevidence.%2BIt%2Balso%2Bhas%2Balso%2Bbeen%2Battributed%2Bto%2BCharles%2BJohnson.%22;sort:IMAGE_DATE%2Csubject_groups;lc:JCB~1~1&mi=0&trs=1 Port in Cuba. Made in 1704 http://jcb.lunaimagi...1~1&mi=1&trs=70 Buccaneer assault mace around 1700 but it presents an earlier time

Oh I was remembering that Bonnet was hanged in New England but ofcourse Charleston

I dunno, sounds very Old Testament to me! Indeed I take that back... That also reminds me of the code of Hammurabi as well as new testament ( especially that nailing).... they are not very happy writings att all and they represent their writing time which was cruel.

Indeed they had no access to many ports and provicions were not too easy to find in islands of even coast so other ship's stores were really needed and wanted. Bart Robert once robbed only ship's ropes and anchor. It seems that if pirates did not got loot they could die of starvation.

Interesting. I think (since they were french in labat's time) they were quite surely buccaneers/ filibustiers which often were privateers. But indeed pirates were little more religious than is often remenbered. Like Bart Roberts who was true believer but extremely hypocritical ( cutting ears and noses or nailing men to the masts does not go well with many doctrines of the Bible....)

ok. Indeed that can well be Scotland... Oh and there is no silver oar so it is not Britain.... but after 1707 things would be different... I have read ( from wikipedia ) that there was some soldiers with Captn. Barnet when he captured Rackham. Is that true? Do we know was Colonel William Rhett leader of some " indepentend Compay"? Btw this is what Dutch artists surmised english soldier in Boston to look like. ( you can enlarge it quite a bit)

So similar to than what Michael was portraying earlier in this tread. When these uniforms were taken in use? really early 1700s or during war of spanish succession? I am critisizing that one book from Konstam and David again but now it has actually linked to this tread This is picture from it. I don't know what is title of this illustration but it clearly it is pirate hanging of pirates in 1720s. It almost certainly is boston or some other colony but why Blue Coats?? Still about David's book and his opinions. Always when I read his writing my bloodpressure rises (if you get what I mean). It is due his style to say things ( and "wrong" facts ( no offence)) not that I would be disappointed about that popular pirate image is not accurate but just because of his style to present his visions. One more reason not to buy that book

The captain seems to be old rather than young. In nowdays old people use sometimes old clothing styles that there were then were they were younger.Perhaps there was similar case in Gaop. I have seen that kind of clothing in common place in 1680s so in 1703 captain could be in his forties and use earlier style clothing.

Nice and classic . btw Were there grenadiers in colonies?

Certainly there was but it seems that they were not in too great use and according to this documentary( and finds from sunken city) there were even Jewish Synagogue Here is good documentary that will give food for thought btw pirates ( if my memory serves me right) articles were swore with bible.... see around 5.45 in the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=850J9tYPd28

Still Woodes Rogers brought religious scriptures ( what ever) with him to New Providence to educate pirates. I think that pirates believed odd suff and were indeed more religious than "we" would imagine. Merry life was the most important thing like David Gordingly wrote " ( the men) who preferred bombo to bible"