Swashbuckler 1700

If the lady is wearing Riding Habit then there's a chance it's a masculine style of hat ..... I really hate giving a definative when it concerns historical styles but if you mean like this folding 'Chapeau Bras' Or this rigid 'Bicorne' Prob'ly not (Never say never though) Cocked hats with a short high front cock and fantail like matey on the left Is a poss, although more common towards the end of the 18thC it's just another way of cocking a hat and ent far off this one wot SB1700 nailed up There's always 'regional styles' to take into consideration, Spanish officers hat ent a million miles from the modern Spanish Plod dress hats. All that plus artistic licence/interpretation and the limitations/skill of the artist aside my vote is for badly drawn cocked hat. Could you say when bicornes came in the use? I have hunger for dates of those hats.... To point out than there were many different hat styles here in one picture. This hat is just like tricorn but brim is not turned up on the backside. Here is other copy of that admiral and I still see that admiral hat as tricon that is backwards.

My vote goes to the badly drawn cocked hat. Don Maitz, who is a good friend of mine and a very accomplished pirate artist tells me that a tricorne hat is one of the most difficult things to draw and have it come out looking right. >>>> Cascabel I have draw few also and they are indeed hard to make....

I think that he said that he see those as tricons and not bicorns. In my post with other images from same maker there we can see tricorns drawn in many different way.... Pod you seems to be in wrong century today

Other tricones from the Admiral's artist This is also hat that we could debate about

Unlike Foxe I see Martel's hat also tricorn and not brim hat. I feel that all are triconrs but admiral's hat can be tricorn backwards or some kind of hybrid hat so to speak which bears a lot of resemblance to tricons.....

Those are practically tricones especially latter one. Actually what is the line that hat need to cross to come tricorn. To me it is 3 side turned up and that is what the latter hat looks like. While later hats were more compact to me hats like these are tricones as much as the classic style....

How old traditions are Bosun's/ sailors whistles? I know that in Nelson's navy they were common but what about e.g. Gaop? I mean whistles like this 19th century one

This maybe not helpful at all but... I dunno anout cannons There were not much rifles in Gaop but musket yes. Thsi is from wikipedia but it seems to be quite accurate information " Musket calibers ranged from 0.5 inches (13 mm) to 0.8 inches (20 mm). A typical smooth bore musket firing at a single target was accurate Thurs only about 100 yards (91 m) to 150 yards (140 m) using the military ammunition of the day, Which used a much Smaller than the musket bullet bore Thurs Compensate for accumulation of ash in the barrel under battlefield conditions on." about blunderbushes I would say same with pistols.....

Indeed there is no way that they could be bicorns since bicorns came around 1770s or 1790s and they were not used in 1703 or 1725. They must be and they look like tricorns I look and look so hard that my eyeballs are about to break down but I don't see anything more that tricorns used backwards . See the tip on backside in admiral's hat... Grymm please help us..... See the Hogart earlier in this tead and hats look really similar. Admiral's and pirates's hat are just little more backwards that this what is clear tricorn Also these 1736 pic has quite similar hats http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2~2&mi=2&trs=5 Admiral's hat seems to be early tricorn like this but turhed backwards see the point has bigger brim than back and when you turn it backwards the bigger side is on the back.

Umm I did not get what you mean. if you mean that striped breeches were not used then what is this from slop clothing: " Striped Ticken Breeches of proper lengthes, lined with white linen, and two linen Pockets, with Sixteen Black Buttons, the Button Holes stiched with Black Thread, at the rate of five Shillings each ". Sorry but English glossary of sewing is not my strong skill... No, I meant that the painting did not appear to be a period source. If it is not art work from the period, and you're trying to get a period accurate look, this is not a reliable source. I was not disputing the use of ticking in clothing. It is not indeed from the period and it is not too good. It is from new book from 2011.

I Have read in many Cordingly’s works that B. Roberts final battle happened in huge storm. But was it clear morning them when HMS Swallow attacked? Does anyone know where the myth that Bart was teetotaler come from? Even Johnson does not state that he was a teetotaler and he implies that he drank beer .

Indeed mythbusters were bad. Usually their show is ok but pirate stuff was no good. What is A&E?

So what are your opinions about pirate documentaries? I think the best is blackbeard Real Pirate of the Caribbean or also known as blackbead terror at sea . While there is tiny tiny errors it is by far the best documentary of pirates made yet. Although makers were fallen in typical inaccuracies like: cavalry boots, sailor pigtails,Some weapons are from later time, popular version of Blackbeard’s pirate flag, too common earrings and I think that some of those big belts and harnesses are somewhat Hollywood-stylish. But it is the most accurate I have seen yet. Worst I think is HISTORY CHANNEL's True Caribbean Pirates. So many errors that you can never say how many them there is in this documentary like 19th century schooners, Caplock muskets. Boucaniers with tricorn hats in around 1620-1660 (tricorn hats weren’t invented until late 1660s onwards), 18th century redcoats in 1650s, Napoleonic era swords and Lots of “Howard Pyleism” and “hollywoodism” and worst of all bad acting and costumes are not only stupid looking but they looks like that they had been in laundry not that buccaneers or pirates would use after jungle journey or workday on ship.

Thanks, What about murder or murther? I have seen many "murthers" done by pirates.

Which was the most common writing way of pirate in gaop pyrate or pirate?

Umm I did not get what you mean. if you mean that striped breeches were not used then what is this from slop clothing: "Striped Ticken Breeches of proper lengthes, lined with white linen, and two linen Pockets, with Sixteen Black Buttons, the Button Holes stiched with Black Thread, at the rate of five Shillings each ". That description it sounds more like a jacket or a vest rather than breeches. Sixteen buttons, white linen lining, button holes in black and two pockets.... Hummmmm Jas. Hook First of all it seems that pockets were popular in breeches same with buttons . Also this is from 1706 Slop contract so there is no doubt. This is what waistcoat in it " Striped Ticken Waist Coats of proper lengths, to be one Yard in length at least, with Eighteen Black Buttons, the Holes Stitched with Black Thread lined with White linen and two White Linnen Pockets, at the Rate of Seven Shillings each " Ah there is 3 different breeches in 1706 Slop contract 1. " Striped Shagg Breeches lin'd with Linnen, with three Leather Pockets, and fourteen white Tinn Buttons, the Button Holes stiched with white Thread, at the Rate of Tenn Shillings and Sixpence each " 2. "Striped Ticken Breeches of proper lengthes, lined with white linen, and two linen Pockets, with Sixteen Black Buttons, the Button Holes stiched with Black Thread, at the rate of five Shillings each " 3. Red Kersey Breeches lined with Linnen, with three Leather Pockets, and thirteen white Tinn Buttons, the Button Holes stitched with white Thread, at the Rate of Five Shillings and Sixpence each Swashbuckler 1700

Yes, they are originally from 1725 Ok I have been wondering that for a long time. ok I understand. sorry

But those pics that I have posted are originally from year 1725 or? And (this is not looking good for David R while he ignores Ghop's (or other pirate book's) pictures now evidence againt his tricorn theory is growing ) we have 2 pics of backwards tricorns in gaop. The 1725 picture of Martel and that admiral from 1703. My wish to allI don't want to be dictator but please this is not place to talk about that are this pictures accurate

Does anyone else see similarities between circa 1725 picture of Capt. Martel and picture of "English admiral at sea" from 1703. E.g both have hat backwards.... This is also has bit similar. I wonder that it maybe that illustrator used naval officer as role models. His hat also can be backwards but it is not so clear.

This is Tread about one thing that has intrigued me for a long time. THIS IS RATHER SILLY TREAD BUT I CANNOT HELP MYSELF This is tread about the General History’s 1725 woodcuts and 1732 pirate book. Almost all remember famous England and Rackham pictures from 1725 edition…. I have found this long time ago http://www.piratebrethren.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=232 It seems that in that Foxe’s post of 1732 pictures cannot be found anymore but no worry I have saved copies long time ago. ( I hope Foxe don’t mind ) So here are pictures from Foxe's posts I saved them when they were still there and now posted in Rogues Gallery http://pyracy.com/in...ates-from-ghop/ ( oh problem in new computer commucation is that it don't leave much information behind unlike stone or old papers.... **** you tecnology.... well that is problem of future historians) And there are nice pictures but they all seem to be originally from 1725 edition of Ghop. but I have seen high quality photo of front piece if 1725 edition and now arguments: There is same woodcut in 1725 edition that it is in 1732 book (I mean that one with warship and hanged pirates (this http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/16/1642/TWHGD00Z/posters/history-and-lives-of-all-the-most-notorious-pirates-and-their-crews-frontispiece-london-1725.jpg ). Title page of 1725 book says that book is “adorn’d with twenty beautiful cuts, being, the representation of each pirate” and we know that at least front piece, Rackham and England cuts are in both the 1725 and the 1732 books. It seems that all cuts in 1732 book are originally from 1725 book since in total there is 20 cuts in 1732 book and we know that at least 3 of those images in 1732 book are also in 1725 book and we know that doth had 20 pirate images in them. So it seems likely that both books have same 20 pictures only reprinted versions on the later one. So point is that it seems that those pictures on 1732 book are originally from 1725 book... I haven’t seen 1725 edition myself so educate me if needed! To compare here is page of 1725 book and 1732 book England in 1725 in Ghop England in 1732 book