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Jokes are not nearly as funny when you have to explain them. (Of course, they're not at all funny when no one understands them.) Nevertheless, I will explain: it is an Izod alligator. The shirt looks like a polo shirt to me, especially the collar and gathering band at the base of the sleeves.
Ah, ok, that could explain why it looked like arabic script. And why zoom didn't work in trying to figure out letters
Sorry to ruin the joke, my old eyes just don't work even with reading glasses sometimes. Especially when alcohol is involved 
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There were straw ticks, what we would call mattresses. Basically big bags filled with straw (or sometimes corn husks) and stitched up. If you were fortunate enough, you could have another filled with feathers. In inventories these are the "bed", what we would consider mattress, although that term did show up in one of Mission's quotes, so it could be a regional terminology thing. In some housekeeping manual I read that it was recommended one would use the feather bed on top of the straw in cold weather, then reverse it so the straw was on top in warm weather. Straw ticks could be emptied and re-filled to keep vermin down, and herbs could be mixed with the straw also.
Some paintings (Dutch, iirc) show bits of mattress/tick peeking over the edge of the loft or out from bed hangings.
Wether or not something like this was used aboard ships sounds like a question for Foxe. There could be a difference in materials between what was used on land -vs- sea.
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I wonder if this is a land-based v. maritime myth. Pictures of pockets on sailors' clothes turn up very frequently from the 16th century onwards, and it has been suggested numerous times that sailors invented pockets. I can't prove that statement but the alternative to a pocket is some kind of external pouch or bag which would be potentially fatal in the working environment of a ship, so it makes sense.
By the time of the 1706 slop contracts the jacket, ticking waistcoat, and all three types of breeches were specified as having 2-3 pockets.
However, military reenactors can be a little blinkered to maritime sources on occasion.
I just can't see the logic, if it's known that pockets existed in earlier extant garments, why one would think something so useful would be abandoned in a later period or not more broadly adopted outside it's original use.
And it goes to show that you cannot just rely on word of mouth when putting together your kit. This is particularly true for beginners. I will avoid stepping up on my soapbox by stopping here
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Thanks! I'll try that in the morning when my eyes are cooperating.
If you want to add the real pictures (as opposed to my doctored one - I am the surgeon after all), you can do it like so:
1. Click on the image you want to display in the Museum's "Other Images" selection beneath the image.
2. When the image appears above as a large picture, right click on it and select 'Copy Image Location' (This will save the URL of the image to your clipboard.)
3. Reply to this topic, select the photo icon (looks like a green/blue/orange Poloroid in the menu above your post).
4. Right click, select Paste, then click OK.
5. Viola!
I'd do the rest of them, but that would take all day.
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Mission, that's wonderful. Do you think you could add the detail pictures as well?
Wonderful? Look closer...
OK, I see it, but can't read it. Silly Mission
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Mission, that's wonderful. Do you think you could add the detail pictures as well?
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Some reenactor myths are hard to kill.
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sure looks like it, tucked between the pleats.
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Oh, if you scroll down on the page, there are detail images you can enlarge! Great pics of repairs. These clothes have been repaired over and over! Thank you, Neal Hurst!
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Can't seem to find a better place to put this link, or if it's already been shared with the group. Here's an example of existing sailor's clothing from the period (dated _very_ broadly). In the Museum of London collection:
If someone can figure out how to actually post the pic rather than the link, I'd surely appreciate it!
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Here's a good visual (albiet a bit later period) of just how fine linen could be made:
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Could you tell us more about the book? Title, author, isbn? It sounds like a great reference.
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Liberty's Exiles. Just got to the part where the author talks about American Privateers were raiding the coast of Nova Scotia during the Revolution. It's been interesting to read about where Loyalists ended up as the war progressed. Great fodder for first person interpretation.
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Thanks! Will dust off the lace pillow and bobbins and see if the fingers will cooperate.
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Beautiful! Do you know which "pricking" she used? I have been on the lookout for a similar structure for a shift neckline.
Jen
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I am writing from memory here, so I could have missed something sailor specific in the art work. Generally, coats are either approximately the same length or longer than waistcoats. If the pic of Bo you are referencing is in the series of three below yours, they are close to the same length, though the waistcoat looks a tad shorter to me, which would be appropriate. Best to compare the length you want with period art work depicting sailors. (look for threads including artwork). Enjoy the journey that is research!
I have a quick question on coats. I am currently looking into upgrading from my costume coat to a more PC coat. Right now I am thinking of straying from the Long Coat and possibly picking up a sailor's jacket instead. I have been looking into possibly a Slops Contract style. My main question has to do with the overall length of the coat.
Right now I have a long vest and I was wondering if the Sailors jacket would be at least as long as the vest. I am not to sure how it would look if the Jacket were a good deal shorter than the front of the vest. There is a picture of my current long vest on 117 of the garb thread for reference. Also there is a picture of Bo in what looks like a long vest and a sailor jacket. If Bo could confirm it, that would be helpful as I really like the look of the combination of Jacket and vest he is wearing.
Thanks for any help.
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Yes the weave is not real tight but but from examples I've seen of other period cravats it was a more open weave.
Do you have any links to examples? I'd love to see them before making ones for my husband! The ones I saw weren't necessarily very tightly woven, but the threads were very fine. This fabric I got wasn't. I have a very fine linen shift that has just about finished it's life as a shift I'm thinking of cannibalizing for ruffles and cravats for my husband. Again, not extremely tightly woven, but fine threads.
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Yes silk with slubs and irregularites in silk would be considered of poor quality. Stay away frm silk duponi, silk taffeta is correct for GAoP. Of course this only matters if your trying for period correctness. Also something to consider for cravats and such if very fine linen called cambric or lawn. I haven't been able to find really good sheer linen yet, one without many slubs. Fabric store.com has some 2.5oz linen that isnt terrible. Add some lace and you'd have a very nice cravat indeed.
Cool, you mean their 2.5 oz isn't like cheesecloth now? Last time I bought that weight from them that's what it looked like. Not fine at all, but wonderful stuff anyway. I'll have to order a swatch and see what it's like!
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Hi Jack, first yes the aim is towards period correctness. So every info about how to get authentic is most welcome!
I had to look for the difference between dupioni and taffeta using Google images, and look the two terms up on the internet to get an idea about what it would be in Dutch, so I can harras the shopkeepers here in Holland with those two terms and see if they know what their talking about... always fun (or frustrating :angry: ...)
Could you tell me if Taffeta is soft and fluent, in it's folds and wrinkels?
No, taffeta is not soft and fluid, it's rather crisp. Kind of like tissue paper, but a bit heavier, it feels rather "crunchy" to the hand. Silk the right weight is funny, you have to stitch it fairly loosely, 6-8 stitches per inch, or you can tear it along the sewing line like perforated paper. This gown is from the 1750's, but the point is that you can see the drape and weight of silk taffeta:
http://www.kci.or.jp/archives/digital_archives/detail_6_e.html
Cambric and lawn would really be better, because they stand up to the laundering necessary for a piece of neckwear. Holland is also a term for fine linnen, iirc, but I don't remember the weight exactly, and I sort of shop by hand and eye. I will try to check tomorrow when things settle down and I can get to my books.
Really, the details you are looking for could show up in period probate inventories, if you can access any from the area you are in currently. Then the terminology you use with the shopkeepers might become easier. I can ask a German friend who is multi-lingual if she knows what you should ask for (she also does period clothing and research) but I'm not sure it will help.
Burnley and Trowbridge in the US can also send you samples, which you could use to take shopping with you, just remember that samples are likely to still have sizing in them, so will be a bit stiffer than after the fabric is washed. Try the finer department stores, also, where they carry high end decorator fabrics. Do you have a Galerie Lafayette? i think they might be useful (if expensive, but all you need is a fraction of a meter). I seem to remember they had really good fabrics in the Berlin store (but it could have been somewhere else, it's been a while).
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Good for you both! The pillow and the lace look wonderful!
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May you all be blessed with all the rum and treasure you can handle in the coming year!
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Welcome to the pub!
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Here's another one for the file.
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Lesson learned: take extra clothes, a shower and clean off anything you touched with gunpowder hands before going to the airport. And keep the paperwork handy just in case that isn't enough.
Common Sailor Clothes
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How very interesting! Lots going on besides pockets to think about.