jendobyns

One curiosity I see is the white cuffed man leaning against the tan bale, in front of him is a hemisphere shape, a basket or a (unlikely) glass bowl ???

Jas. Hook

I was wondering if that was a punch bowl.... from what little I have read on the subject and the original bowls I have looked at, the shape certainly passes. They seem to have popped up every where to provide drink, folks drank out of them communally, picking up the bowl and taking a swig directly from it, hence no glasses/cups laying around with the bowl, but would they have it around for perhaps the dock workers ?? or was a punch bowl set out for something a bit more "formal"?

Certainly looks like a punch bowl, but not glass, probably light paste/glaze ceramic of some sort. I'm pretty sure they weren't glass at that time, at least the examples i've seen aren't. Odd that it's on it's own, perhaps someone ordered a bowl of punch and it was delivered from a local establishment (which wasn't unheard of), finished bowl of punch now ready to be returned to tavern? Or perhaps waiting for those guys on the boat to get to it? It doesn't make sense to be something shipped, not packed right, not packed in anything at all. Although it could be a sample of wares yet to be unloaded.

And does anyone besides myself think that perhaps all those odd cylinders could be rolled up carpets?

Hallie Larkin's 18C Stays blog has gone back in time. She has posted the process of making a reproduction of a set at Pilgrim Hall in Plymouth, Mass., for their exhibit. She goes into choices she had to make with substituting materials that are no longer available, and other necessary changes as a result, still sticking as much as possible to the original design and technique.

http://18thcstays.blogspot.com/

Very cool!

Definitely the busy season for people doing things that aren't online. Various projects, events, home maintenance, etc. It'll pick up as the days shut down on us again. A quiet spell doesn't mean death, it just means folks are busy elsewhere.

If I read the diary entries of Pepys correctly, that appears to be how he did it.

And I do remember some discussion about this being a way a (private) library could have a consistent look to it's collection. Diverse works purchased, then bound to the taste of the individual buying them. Wish I could remember at what venue that discussion took place.

From what I've gathered You would buy the printed Book Block and then take it to a binder to have it bound in a hard back.

It was a 2 stage process. Of course I will need to confirm this with more research. I don't have hard evidence yet.

I think he had a demo of how it was done, almost a tutorial, perhaps on his Facebook page. I'll check it out and see if I can find it. I'm not seeing it on the page provided by the link.

Nope, not finding it through the FB page, either. Dang, will have to go digging for it. Was planning on using it to re-do some period cookbooks to look "right".

Happy Birthday Grymm! I'll be lifting a glass in your honor! Hope the lads will be taking you to the pub to celebrate

Alas, I am not technologically adept enough to share the pics, so a link will have to suffice.

Oh... very nice..link... there Mistress Dobyns

What a great look! And the salwar look great!

Cool! It even appears to have fangs! Or sharply filed teeth.

See, the real problem is that you're classifying Oklahoma as the deep south....you've got about another 12 hours of driving eastward until you start getting into good moonshine country. I'll let others debate over which region produces the best shine (though these days Virginia gets the most publicity).

As for making the stuff, well I won't go into any details, but if you're just looking for good general info then PBS did an awesome documentary on the process. They filmed an old shiner making the last batch in his lifetime and talking about the process....including comparing what he was doing with how his grand-daddy used to do it back in the day. I can't remember the name of it, but if you contacted PBS they could probably hook you up with a VHS. It's an enjoyable documentary whether you are into making shine or not.

-Adam C.

While the deep south might have a more popularly recognized history of moonshine making, I wouldn't put Oklahoma off the map for this. Until the late 1950's it was a dry state, with prohibition written into the state's constitution, iirc. So of course there were people coming up with ways to make the stuff, smuggle the stuff, any way they could for a while, at least. It was kind of a joke. My family is from that part of the world and one grandmother met her future husband when she ran a cafe that served beer just over the line in Texas. It was a very busy place

You'd need to find someone who was a mature adult in OK before the repeal mid/late 1950's who might remember this, try visiting senior centers and nursing homes

Jen

None taken.

I have the strongest craving for deviled eggs, which I've learned today can be traced back to the Romans.

"Ah, yes",I say, walking in the door," La Varenne included them in his cookery book, calling them "farced eggs", a version of forced, like forcemeat".

Check out this link for a receipt: http://18thccuisine.blogspot.com/2005/09/farced-eggs.html

Sounds mighty tasty right now! The smells around this place have been mouth watering, I couldn't stay outside any longer

Anything from the Beggar's Opera should be appropriate for the late end of the GAoP. It was published in 1728 and used popular broadside music from a few years earlier.

The Beggar's Opera is also a great source, but not without its caveats. Off the top of my head I'm fairly sure that at least a couple of old tunes had new words written for the BO, but I'd have to check which ones. Also, the BO was added to and 'improved' throughout the 18th century, so you have to be careful which edition you use.

Oh, yes, very good point. I don't think I'd use my CW "reproduction", for example. Or definitely filter out the parts that are too late.

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Thanks!

So far the net I cast hasn't yielded anything 18C, although I was given this link for an exhibit of Jane Austen's writing from someone who used to work at Winterthur: http://www.bu.edu/cas/magazine/fall10/Drummond/index.shtml

Here ye go Jen... still had an original in my email account...

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"easy to read" he says, as my eyes go crossed trying to read it! I'll see if I can't get a lead on this, although I suspect it would be a rare thing to survive."

To Paraphrase Mistress Dobyns' mistakenly deleted post... I made her go blind and she would jump to it in regards to hunting down any and all possible originals from our time frame...ahem...what a gal!

oh, noooo, it appears my efforts have been magnified by deletion! Or, rather become enlarged by their absence? Kind of like that big fish that got away

Having nothing better to do than send emails to various museum contacts today, I just sent a request for any evidence of this technique in the 18C, the earlier the better. It'll be interesting to see what folks come up with, if anything.

And yes, it did funny things to my eyes when I tried to read them

Oops... Miss. Dobyns... I would very much like to appologize. It seems some new feature has been added to the pub, and not being careful of where I was tapping on my pocket mobile device and I accidentally deleted your post. Maybe one of the mods or admins on a real computer can figure a way to restore it... or I will try when I get home.

Sorry again

Ahhh, another "droidian slip"

Sweet! When did CoMC go online?

I think it was either coat XV or XVII, I've made coats based on both, but probably the Hook/Long John SIlver/PotC (kid's halloween) coat was diagram XVII. I can't go check, as it's gone on to a friend's grandkids.

Think there could be any use for someone doing either spinning or chocolate making? Rob and I are hoping to make it down. We probably won't camp, though.

I've seen your chocolate demo. That would be awesome. But so would the spinning.

I hope you guys can make it. I'll even let you borrow my chocolate pot :)

Glad you think so! The more chocolate pots, the merrier! I can do that technique where it gets poured back and forth. That could be cool.

Hmm, I think I may need to bring a small wedge for storage, that stone weighs a ton! And a fly to work under.

I don't know, spun chocolate sounds good. And If I remember correctly Rob has his very own red coat ...we always need red coats!

I'll let him know he can bring the shiny red coat *g* He did pick up some pirate garb at Ft. Fred so he can blend in better, though

Think there could be any use for someone doing either spinning or chocolate making? Rob and I are hoping to make it down. We probably won't camp, though.

Congratulations on the end of one journey, and the beginning of another!

I lost my copy when we lost our house in Hurricane Emily. Been meaning to replace it

Interlibrary loan? Or see if a local university library has one?

Send me a PM and I can talk to you about how to get you the pages.

Oh, goodness, what a sweetie! And I can see a lot of broken hearts in her future. Looks like she's already figured out that the world is hers

Here's a slightly later period work on breeding and raising domestic chickens courtesy of google books (the link dumps you at p. 360something):

The art of hatching and bringing up domestick fowls of all kinds at any time ...

By René-Antoine Ferchault de Réaumur

http://tinyurl.com/44go67t

There appears to be a very recognizable chicken coop in the back of p. 402. There are plates all over the place in this work, so it's worth scrolling through the whole work. There appear to be all sorts of containers used in the various phases of raising chickens, etc..

I found the info on this book here: http://dunghillfowl.blogspot.com/

You might find more information that is useful there, I'm not tackling it until tomorrow

Back to topic.

I didn't realize there were issues w/ cross-state transportation of chickens. Learned something.

Anyone have any documentary evidence of coups? I was also wondering when reading this thread if it would be one-hen-per or of they would have a group in a coup.

I seem to remember from a previous foodways symposium and other reading that livestock in general was allowed to roam loose and rounded up on an as-needed basis. And I remember reading primary accounts that talked about chickens hanging out in doorways under the eaves when it rained (and something about dust baths outside doorways, too). So I'm not sure coops were a common thing or if they were rounded up at night against foxes and put in the barn, or what. Free range is not a new idea, though. Just don't remember how they handled the nest for laying hens. I'll check and see if anyone else has covered that ground elsewhere.

And yes, interstate commerce and laws protecting farmers of one state from diseases in another go back a ways. It helps keep our crops and livestock healthy, but isn't something we think about in these days of food coming from across the globe. Just think about the blight that killed off the American Chestnuts (and yes, I know they're trying to make a comeback).