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I know you gentlemen are trying to be helpful to Eva, but those pictures are essentially Turkish, the Levant is on the eastern side of the Mediterranean. She is looking for Al Andalus, which is part of Spain and has it's own characteristics.

HI friends!

I’m from Argentina and I’m trying to recreate a corsair moorish woman who lived in Al- Andalus at the first half of 14^th century. Her name was Malika Fadel ben Salvador, if you know she.

I´m looking for cloth hints and hope maybe you could help me. Is there a file with details of this period?

Thank you very much.

Hi Eva,

Several years ago I knew some people who were focused on Al Andalus in roughly that time frame. I think they even had a group for discussions on Yahoo. Perhaps it would be worth seeing if they are still active?

Meanwhile I'll check with a friend whose interests overlapped with that time and place through her dance studies. She may know someone who has focused exactly on the area you wish to explore.

Jen

Pictures?

If you want to check out Heart to Hearth Cookery, choose the blog from her menu and you can see some of Susan's results from her baking in a tin reflector oven. It's under "uneven baking" in her post.

is anyone interested in procuring some of these? We have TONS of scraps from Lunas construction that would be perfect for this. We can do custom boxes out of a couple choices of soft woods. (we can do hard, but they would cost a bundle to ship) The cost of boxes would be a donation to construction. Any thoughts?

Where's the "like" button?

Sounds like a great way to turn scrap into profit for the project. I might be able to use a couple, depending on price point. We have more than one tricorn wearing lad in our house.

Stynky asked me to write a tutorial for everything on the site once, but I have a day job and he doesn't pay me to do this so I ignored him. (You have to do this with graphics, which is a pain in the arse. Plus he keep upgrading the software so that the process changes ever so slightly, so *pfft!* to him.)

I know I have written the tutorial for posting pic over and over again in posts, though.

1) Reply to a topic and the reply box appears labeled 'Reply to this topic'.

2) Open the image in a new window or tab. (By itself. Not the web page it's on, only the image. Based on the URL in your post, you had this correct.)

3) Copy the URL from the browser window with the image in it.

4) Go back to the tab or window with the reply to the topic in it.

4) Click on the little Polaroid above the edit window. It's the 11th thing right above the window and it contains a blue/green/orange blob in it.

5) A new box will appear with a blue banner on top that says 'Image Properties' and a box with your cursor in it which is labeled 'URL.'

6) Paste the URL you copied in step 3 into that.

7) Click 'OK' in the new box with the blue banner.

That's all there is to it. If the box with the blue banner isn't appearing, you may have to allow pop-ups in your browser for this website or something like that. (Although I don't think this would qualify as a pop-up window. I'm not certain this is true for every browser, however.)

Well fooey, that looks like exactly what I did. Hmmm. Ok, saving this to another location for later use. And thumping my head on the keyboard in frustration.

I fixed it for you.

Jen you HAVE to use the little picture icon, you can't just post a link. It looks like a polaroid just above the editing window. It has blue/grene/orange in it. If you don't use that the forum just posts a hot link.

Thanks Mission, but I did try using that. And why would the link work when I click on it from my post and not for other users? Did it not work for you?

Is there a step by step instructional somewhere for this? Because it is not intuitive and I'm having a blasted horrible time figuring it out by just following the steps. I tried the image icon, the link icon and have really run out of patience.

That Facebook link isn't working for me. Either I'm doing something wrong or computers really hate you.

Funny, the first one worked for me! Oh my! We must have gremlins on board! Either that or I'm only allowed to see them because of the way he has his settings?

If the second attempt didn't work, I can send a pic directly to you of that, too.

Let's try this again:

Ah, well, it's probably my computer kharma. Back in the day when I worked in offices, the programmers had a love/hate relationship with me. Because I was the one for whom all the bugs would come out to play.

Thanks for the pictures, Jen.

So this kind of brings up bread again. Was bread never cooked on board? Or was it simply uncommon or not for the common sailor, just the Captain and officers? What I really need is someone with access to manifests and wills to do a search. If these, or similar ovens were recorded as having been aboard I would think that would definitively answer the question.

You're welcome.

As to baking bread on board, never say never. It might be done, but more likely in something like the bake kettle that is on the far right of the pic. It would require a good bed of coals above and below, which may work within a ship's galley--you can stack other pots on top of the bake kettle to double up on using the coals. But it would not be a lot of bread at a time. Then there is the whole issue of other equipment. Yeast could be stored, dry, in a dormant state inside dried bread dough brought along for the purpose and continued throughout the voyage. Then you would need some of the water supply to bring it back to life. Or use some of the ale/beer on board. A sponge would be made, allowed to work, then more flour added to make the dough. The galley would most likely be a good environment for allowing it to rise. Just depends on a whole lot of factors regarding distribution of the ship's supplies, wether the officers ate that much better than the men, etc. Not to mention the abilities of the ship's cook. I doubt the common sailor would reap the benefit, beyond the smell.

Even the larger galleys aren't all that big. You really have to be quite organized and spatially aware when working on a decent sized hearth, cooking for a lot of people. But a galley would even require more of it's cook.

And I suspect this is why the Navy had contracts to make ship's biscuit. Easier to make, package and store, distribute as needed. No additional risk of fire or use of extra resources once under way.

Good luck finding the documentation! Let us know what you find out.

Check this one out, leather.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4292953403648&set=pcb.4292960323821&type=1&theater

Also, the bottom example of the first set of hat boxes on this thread looks like leather bound pine, the pine covered with paper at one point. Not stained, b/c the point of using a cheap wood back then was that it was cheap, but you could paint it and make it look like expensive wood, or cover it with something nice.

Another option is the same material used for round hat boxes now, a fairly stiff un-corrugated cardboard. Again covered with paper (like a marbled paper). Fairly light and will take the bumps and dings instead of your hat. Not sure if there are any extant examples out there made that way, though.

Grymm have you seen any of these made out of cardboard (chip?) in the UK?

Yep, that is exactly what was going on, no URL to use. Captain Jim is very generously going to post the pics for me. I tried going to the gallery and it wasn't cooperating either last night. If I have a chance to play with this when it isn't after a long day I'll give it another shot. Right now I'm juggling too many balls!

Sigh, apparently not. I've posted pics here before, but heck if I can figure out how to do it now!

Bread for ship's use would have been baked before the voyage and shared. Those brick ovens take a huge amount of space and firewood, not practical at all.

Wow, you really were deep into that FB page! Yep, these have been around for a while. I've seen repros at some historic sites, a friend had one, and iirc there was someone making them in the DC area some years ago (Henderson and Vinci, maybe?). Nice way to protect your hat while traveling. I highly recommend using hat boxes, especially after my guys managed to skewer a brand new straw hat of mine with a bayonet. And it wasn't even close to where the guns were stored!

Very interesting. Are any of these low melting metals food safe? I think someone mentioned pewter?

Also, you could also do a soapstone mold. You'd need to carve the sides separately and make sure they matched up, but it would be pretty durable. Just a thought. I'm thinking about making molds for a project of my own so this is a timely discussion.

So are there still any spaces for vendors left? Can you have Grace get in touch with me? Rob and I just bought what was Deborah's Pantry, selling period food items (teas, chocolate, spices, sweetmeats, among other useful things).

Jen

OH well done ye... wishing ye much success with this..

Thank you! We're up to our eyeballs in crates of inventory! My living room kind of looks like your set-up at Jamestown! *L*

Welcome aboard Zak! Lucky you to be in Toronto for the winter. Did you know you're in the same town as La Belle Danse, a baroque (and GAoP appropriate) dance company? What a way to improve your fencing technique! Check them out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRWUqTtMR9c&list=UUhBsUfq5mXgYWRRiRM-svkQ

Stunned? Interesting choice of words. At the quality of workmanship or sticker shock?

Fritz,

Contact Neal Hurst, Tailor of Colonial Williamsburg. While CW is oop, the tailors also supply historic clothing for the Jamestown Settlement, and Neal or Mark Hutter can pretty much tell you anything you want to know for at least 200 years worth of men's clothing.

Here's a link to Neal's website. He is also on FB. http://nhursttailor.com/N.Hurst_Tailor/Welcome.html

Good luck!

So are there still any spaces for vendors left? Can you have Grace get in touch with me? Rob and I just bought what was Deborah's Pantry, selling period food items (teas, chocolate, spices, sweetmeats, among other useful things).

Jen

reading a paper on 18C confections. Gonna play with sugar soon.

The Mr. and I plan to be there with the chocolate stone, 9x9 wall tent. Hopefully we don't have any last minute disasters like I did this year.