CaptainSatan

Yes but when did that happen? More importantly when can that be documented. And remember not all chests would have been built in the colonies.The chest I was discussing from the Mary Rose seemed to be made from scraps in England or Europe.Again I am speculating, but I suspect that multiple boards on a round lid were the result of new wood working techniques rather than a shortage of materials. From my personal experience making Dark Age furniture I can tell you that hewing out a tree trunk is a lot more labour intensive than making something from pre-cut boards.Unless you are making a strong box , I can't think of any advantage to making a curved lid from a solid block of wood with an adze. -CS

If we're not it , then who is? -CS

To this day I'm still sad that Pirate Anne, starring Bo Derek was never made. Mr.s Derek and her ribby-ribs actually spent several months learning how to yield a blade. sad but true.... -CS

Back to the subjects of chests... I'm interested to know when barrel top, or humped lid chests began to be constructed out of multiple boards. The earlier chest lids were hewn out of a single piece of wood that was round on top and hollowed out underneath. The earliest example that I've found is in Hereford Cathedral in the UK. The best date that I have is sometime in the 15th century.Rather unusual for a iron bound chest of pine to actually last 600 years. If you know of any art from TGAoP that depicts a chest with a round lid made of multiple boards please post it here. Ditto for any surviving examples. I know that multiple board lids and single piece hewn lids both existed during TGAoP. What I would like to know is, when did the multiple board lids FIRST appear? Inquiring minds want to know Any of you hardcore reenactors able to shine your double candle ships lantern on this subject ??? -CS

That would be Captain Satan to you love ...and as I mentioned earlier I was responding to the Hollywood title of this thread. Had it been titled Sea Chests my first shot across the bow would be carbon dating wood fragments , impurities in period nails, and the deforestation of Ireland and it's impact on early 17th century English carpentry But seriously....now that I know the rules I promise to play nice. -CS

As expensive as those costumes are, she's probably a dancer If she were just a model they probably could have found a tricorn or some mouse ears for her. What I don't get is that the wench photographs well and would make a lovely little pyrate if she were dressed properly, or inproperly in a sea-doxie sort of way. ~CS

I'm quite happy to stick with nails, pegs, n' iron straps I suppose those are simple rope handles attached to two pairs of holes on the sides of the chest. Speaking of beckets... I was researching an earlier period chest from the Mary Rose(English,built 1509-1511, sank in 1545). And I noticed a very simple 6 board chest that had cleats like those on later period chests for attaching beckets.Something else unusual 'bout that chest was the fact that it was dove tailed (somewhat uncommon for an English chest of the period). I can't help but wonder if that particular chest was liberated from a sea-frog or aquired eslewhere on the continent. Another thing unusual was the fact the chest was constructed of pine, walnut, and poplar. I'm just speculating here, but I suspect that chest was constructed out of scraps, yet someone took the time to dovetail the edges using 16th century tools. ~CS

Aaahhh...thank you so much for posting that painting! There are so many surviving examples and replicas of that type of chest, but the vast majority are from the mid 19th century.It's such a practical design because its hard to tip over on rough seas ( or the back of a Jeep).I am very pleased that there is documentation to place that basic design in TGAoP. I especially like the fact that the corners are bound in iron. That would be a lot less work than dovetails. Cheers! -CS

Don't mean to rain on anyones parade, but why is there a belly dancer in a fantasy quasi-cabaret costume on the cover of a magazine 'bout the sweet trade? It's a decent photo of an attractive woman but I'm missing the connection with pyracy -CS

They are legal in Texas.In fact there is no law against hunting deer or quail with cannon.Think claymore ambush ~CS

Better look out for the Crips when they come a callin' at Scarborough Good thing that all arms are to be peace bound. -CS

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Doesn't surprise me. It seems to be a painfully common practice to package historical fiction as romance novels. -CS

That's kinda my point.I wasn't expecting a thread titled Chests, "Treasure" and otherwise to be posted with the real period stuff? Anyway... my mistake, I saw the name of the thread and assumed that that it wasn't a serious discussion. I'll pay more attention to where it is posted next time -CS

On a related note: There is a pretty decent work of fiction on the two ladies and Calico Jack called The Sweet Trade by Elizabeth Garret. Don't be fooled by the wimpy quasi-romance novel art on the cover. -CS

Where did you see the plans? I'd like to take a looksie myself And please be specific. Share your knowledge and expertise with the rest of the crew. I for one would like to know the details of the post period joinery you are refering to. I am very interested in whatever methods you are refering to that were never used to construct a wooden box before 1720. -CS

Stealing chickens and running fortune telling scams are a far cry from pyracy. I'll have what your friends been drinkin". -CS

19th century Borg Cube?

I know the feeling I'll be doing some buccaneer style trekking over the summer. Hopefully this will help teach me how to slim down my gear. I still don't know if I'll be flyin' or drivin' to PiP. -CS

If we can put a man on the moon we should be able to make an air friendly sea chest. I'm in the process of moving right now.Once I get settled I think I'll try and build a pair of chests that can conform to airline regs. I'm leaning towards some smaller chests based on one pulled up from the Mary Rose.I want something pretty basic that would work for the entire GAoP (and earlier). I'll go with a flat top so that they can double as furniture and can be stacked. Two smaller chests (packed) weighing 50 lbs each, plus a carry on bag should accommodate quite a bit of gear.As long as the chests are big enough to hold a cutlass I'll get by. I'm not even going to try and take a long gun to an event that I fly to. I need to break down and weigh me pistols, blades, clothes, etc. Then calculate the weight of wood to figure what dimensions I'll be going with. -CS

How big of a chest were you thinking about taking? As long as it wasn't too big the airline would probably put in one of those plastic crates, like they do for backbacks. -CS

I don't think that we'll need to resort to actually shooting anyone We'll just deny ye yer rhum ration tonight. I do appreciate the effort though. -CS

That chest IS NOT period. But if you leave off the feet, replace the wooden handles with rope or metal, and use some hand forged nails you have something that would be very similar to surviving examples and chests depicted in art from the period.Even though it would not be based on a specific specimen it would never the less be true to the period. I have not seen the hinges for that chest, but they could be replaced as well. -CS

Were this thread meant for any serious discussion it would not mention the words treasure and chest in the same sentence.The concept of treasure chests is a fun part of pirate mythology.Attempting any serious scholarly discussion on a subject that is pure fantasy is like debating about Star Wars. They are both interesting subjects and they are both pure fiction. -CS

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