Swashbuckler 1700

Hmmm do you have the " a fine sense of humor " Vikings were a quite different than many other pirates so Mission leave them be that is wise....

So wiki was indeed rigth cocos palm as we know it was not natural to the caribbean (but there were over 3000 native or endemic palm species there and many of them are related to cocos) Columbus in his journal (if it is the real one) said http://www.sonofthes...urnal-diary.htm The Admiral says that " he never beheld such a beautiful place (Cuba), with trees bordering the river, handsome, green, and different from ours, having fruits and flowers each one according to its nature. There are many birds, which sing very sweetly. There are a great number of palm-trees of a different kind from those in Guinea and from ours, of a middling height, the trunks without that covering, and the leaves very large, with which they (natives) thatch their houses

Old tread but... I have always thought that those things were first real form of epauletes..... I need to say that I think that we need to remember when we look engravings (and try to determinate sides of swords etc) that originally picture, when engraved, was a mirror image of that there were in the paper see the printing way is like that. Of course good artists would remember that but perhaps not always...

Hmmm also buccaneers who were privateers done mostly port blundering (but took ships as well) so are many buccaneer raids e.g Panama even privateering or piracy since they happened on land (buccaneers even attaced on land)?

Oh I was about to metion that but I forgot. thanks Daniel.

Well from wiki but: "Piracy is an act of robbery or criminal violence at sea. The termcan include a committed acts on land, in the air, or in the Other of major body of water or on a shore. Normally it does not include a committed crimes against persons traveling on the vessel from same as the perpetrator (eg one passenger stealing from others on the vessel from same). The term has Been Used To Refer Thurs raids across land borders by non-state agents"

Well robbery on the coast is piracy but they propably atacced ships as well. I have neither much info about them...

Viking were as pirates as they come. He was interesting gaop pirate http://brethrencoast...o/derdrake.html also there were (I think) suprisingy many swedes in "normal" caribbean crews. There were also north europeans in navies as well e.g HMS Victory had them in 1805. Quoting Foxe when I asked about swedes and gaop " There were a few Swedish pirates, usually in predominantly English crews. I can't recall details off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure that one of John Quelch's company was a Swede" and I have found e.g Peter Cornelius Hoof who was a pirate (or forced man aboard Whydah. Being Finn I am always interested in north european pirates in gaop...

Now I quote myself now but here is a sample of my endles visdom ( ) " really often, in history, things do not happen suddenly but little by little" I was talking things like habits and indeed you are quite rigth with about pirate savings.....

Yes well not much... well La Buse died while he was inactive pirate but he was inactive does not make it good point...... Well I say that gaop ended by 1730(that makes a bit difference don't you think). But what makes 1725 the end of gaop we don't know what happened to low he and some of his party could have easily active after 1724 who knows? Anyway I think the "pirate" (and privateer) period was from 1522 (when Jean Fleury made first big assault against gold galleons of spain) to 1856 (when was issued to abolish privateering in europe). In short "pirate" (and privateer) period was during european colonialism but it had its golden age in late 17 C and early 18th C.

Most serious pirate historian look well beyond the GHoP for their evidence: trial accounts and associated depositions, newspapers, colonial correspondence, merchants' correspondence, naval accounts, other published accounts, and other similar sources provide far more information than the GHoP, and about many pirates not included in the GHoP. From that evidence it's fairly clear that pirate activity in both the Atlantic and Indian Oceans went into decline after 1722 and was dropping right off by 1725. There were pirates active after that date, but never in the same numbers as earlier and, crucially, never with anything like the networks established by the Lowther group, who in turn were relatively insignificant when compared to the Flying Gang-Roberts-Taylor group. I can't even think of an example of two pirates sailing in consort after about 1725, let alone more. Sorry for possible writing errors I just don't bother to do spel fixes. ' Well you are rigth but still I think that "ending date" is a thing that has actually much matter. Well I would say that significant pirate operation was between 1690- 1725. But for study (of ships, weapons etc) the period 1680- 1730 is the best if you get what I am meaning. I personally count all western pirates who operated between 1690- 1730 as gaop pirates and that includes pirates like John Quelch who was not part of " red sea men" nor "the flying gang", William fly and Henry Johnson who all operated in americas or other " gaop pirate places" but had not their own networks or significant impact to trade.. and why I use 1730? well it looks better since it is full ten unlike 1725 what seems to me a too meticulous date. And I think that the ending of the period is part of it too and I say that gaop ended by late 1720s or by 1730. I actually think that late gaop (I say 1718- 1730) is the most interesting and well most "romantic" period since then piracy was not as free and pirates needed costantly be cautious of RN I see the era of carefree pirating as a bit less intersting. I am not stretch gaop but I was wondering near gaop era piracy Weren't there also some english pirate activity (and smuggling) of almost same sort than Guardas Costa's and even later than gaop all after treaty of Utrecht till the War of Jenking's Ear when english trasported slaves to spanish colonies? And was that actually so that Robert jenkings was a pirate? At least spanish Guardas Costa ofifcer accused him as a pirate but was perhaps just a lie.

So I was wondering actually how many pirates/ sailors could swim. I know that navy forced recruitment and got many men who were nearly landlubbers. I was meaning mostly 17th and 18th centuries. Buccaneer Bart Bortuques was (accordingly to R. Platt's book "Pirate") a man without swimming ability and when he escaped from a ship where he was a prisoner he used empty wine jars as floats.

I (who is the practically the only one who claims gaop to continue till 1730 year) need to ask what makes lowther company so specific last gaop "pirate group"? I claim without real evidence (what is not good way to do conversation so don't take me too seriously) we perhaps don't know much about later pirates in late 1720s just because because GHoP was made in 1724 and we don't know much about the networks formed by those later pirates.

Lol I meant botanist not protagonist

Okay.... Sorry for that Indeed but (at least me) already has bias of pirates like I have that pirates were not generally savers but what about those who could have been savers. But since all stuff that is here is related to topic it is good that some others can get info here but I am pretty sure that pirates spending money has already dealth with in other treads bettter than pirates saving things.

Some pirate democracy in horrible way... they sometimes shared quite many things with eachother even wifes... From GHoP (1724 version) Some (was it Foxe?) has call into question the story about BB's wife but we may never know what was the truth (Mission yes history is messy indeed) " Before he sailed upon his Adventures, he (Teach) marry'd a young Creature of about sixteen Years of Age, the Governor performing the Ceremony. As it is a Custom to marry here by a Priest, so it is there by a Magistrate; and this, I have been informed, made Teach's fourteenth Wife, whereof, about a dozen might be still living. His Behaviour in this State, was something extraordinary; for while his Sloop lay in Okerecock Inlet, and he ashore at a Plantation, where his Wife lived, with whom after he had lain all Night, it was his Custom to invite five or six of his brutal Companions to come ashore, and he would force her to prostitute her self to them all, one after another, before his Face." the 14 wifes is propably not true...

http://www.wdl.org/en/item/252/zoom/#group=1&page=35 lol this is getting odd now I am talking about plants .. but 17th C protagonist has put coconut palm among other palms. see somewhere near of page 50.

There is no neede to find all tales of pirates spending their money there is no dought of that they did it but what about the small group of other pirates who saved stuff.

I think he mean coconuts palms as one thing and palms as other ( so his definition of palms included those palms which were not coconut palms (coconut tree is just one palm)

Never thought I would see anyone reference the assault on Fort Noherooka in North Carolina (where hundreds of Tuscarora Indians were killed and hundreds taken prisoner and sold into slavery). Dr. Larry Tise at East Carolina University is actually working on getting public awareness of that event since next year is the 300 aniversary of it (I've been working on it with him) Anyway, I love stuff like that Kevin, for it adds so much context to the pirate events of the time. Some writers on pirate history make pirate history feel like it took place in a vacuum and had minimal influence from the outside world. Thank goodness recent scholarship on pirates is finally tying in the politics of early eighteenth century world into this. Recent work by Ed Fox and Arne Bialewshewski have discussed the role of the Jacobite rebellions within the pirate world for example. Thank you for pursuing such history Mr. Duffus, and I hope to see some publications on the subject soon. But back to the thread topic of Defining the Golden Age of Piracy. Has anyone proposed that maybe we should do away with the term "Golden Age" outright? I feel like by this point in pirate historiography that the term "Golden Age of Piracy" has almost lost its meaning and is used to give the era a romantic feel to it (and an easier way in which to remember when this all took place). I think a more interesting question that might help people undestand and learn more about history during the period is - what allowed and what caused pirates to go sea, do so in large numbers, and operate over significant periods of time from the 16th to early 19th centuries? If answered correctly, one can learn a lot about the development of colonies, economics, politics, and more during this very important period in world history. What? History doesn't happen in a vacuum? Events in one place affect others? Really? What is that so.. Oh my vision of the world has been destroyed! Seriously indeed it is not good to be stuck only in "gaop" period and forget the big picture.

" Coco-Nut-Trees are branch’d like, but not so tall as, Palm Trees, the Nut like them, growing under the Branches, and close to the Trunk." Funny that he thinks that coco nut trees are not palms.... Nowdays many know the "coconut palm".

You have a fine point.....

Is there any records of pirates in gaop perod having get banknotes as booty? They were sligtly used then but coins were much more popular.... Just a random question about money....

Lol I am posting Henry Johnson in all treads now but.. He seems to be a man with a missing arm http://www.thepirate...hnson_henry.htm

I know that some web info is not always the most reliable one but here is interesting man a " Irishman" with spanish crew. I mentioned the same man in other tread as well. http://www.thepirateking.com/bios/johnson_henry.htm