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Intetersting truly I have had a mental picture that piracy was a pretty much a buplic operation.... I mean that many did know who was a pirate... and this includes at least some families.. I think without any way to prove this....
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ok so if razee is unkown term look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razee From general History of Pirates " When the Ship came out to Sea, Lowther called up all the Company, and told them, it was the greatest Folly imaginable, to think of returning to England, for what they had already done, could not be justifyed upon any Pretence whatsoever, but would be look'd upon, in the Eye of the Law, a capital Offence, and that none of them were in a Condition to withstand the Attacks of such powerful Adversaries, as they would meet with at Home; for his Part he was determined not to run such a Hazard, and therefore if his Proposal was not agreed to, he desired to be set a Shore in some Place of Safety: That they had a good Ship under them, a parcel of brave Follows in her, that it was not their Business to starve, or be made Slaves; and therefore, if they were all of his Mind, they should seek their Fortunes upon the Seas, as other Adventurers had done before them. They one and all came into the Measures, knocked down the Cabins, made the Ship flush fore and aft, prepared black Colours, new named her, the Delivery, having about 50 Hands and 16 Guns, and the following short Articles were drawn up, signed and sworn to upon the Bible." So the main thing is the ship and how it was modified. I wonder was it common habit?
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Hi I found these in nice blog http://ranawayfromthesubscriber.blogspot.fi/2010/10/thrum-cap.html " On October 13th, 1737, shoemaker Peter Saunders advertised in the Pennsylvania Gazette for his runaway servant Thomas White. White's head was shaved by he wore a thrum cap and a felt hat." One more thrum cap appearance in early 18th Century. I wonder was the cap used as a wig since the servant had both the thrum and other hat And how it reminds me of this http://pyracy.com/index.php?/gallery/image/5844-thrum-cap-twins/
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Peter the Grat's Salor outfit - specifically the hat.
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to IvanHenry's topic in Captain Twill
Here we can see PTGs, thrums, simple monmouth style caps, all having a peaceful co-existence with eacothers and with other hats as well.Circa 1690 image Dutch painting Here left: a man with brimles monmouth on your right and one Ivan Henry looking man with ptg (brown clothes)(I think)... There is also brim hats as well as other caps -
Now after 5 years of waiting that possible http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/Matthijs-Naiveu/The-Cloth-Shop-1709.html I have seen the better picture in one book and the coat is dark blue and it has a cloth faced buttons....
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From the album: Realistic pirate art
Ok he is a bit finely dressed captain like some were in the history. He has a fine hat and a coat as well as shoes. Still he has the sailor's breeches so he is not really dashy. This is his shore dress not his casual clothing so I think it is realistic. He has a period bottle and the is sword based on perod pictures like http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2&mi=31&trs=78 and other period stuff like photos of swords like http://lowres-pictur...n/13/396931.jpg -
From the album: Realistic pirate art
He wears a naval slop outfit with a red breeches and a sleeved waistcoat and a leather cap in a form that is realistic. He also has striped shirt and neck scarf. He has a whip. -
From the album: Realistic pirate art
Not so stylish but realistic. He has a fur edged cloth cap, striped jacket , petticoat breeches and a 1690s naval cutlass/hanger. Based mosty on 1690s picture http://www.reconstru...landsSafety.jpg and later 1730s one http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2&mi=32&trs=78 there is figure on the left side. -
This is especially For Mission http://www.historicalimagebank.com/gallery/main.php/v/album02/album25/album110/FW292d-+British+Grenadiers+Cartridge+Pouch+_Reign+of+Queen+Anne+1704-1714++copy.jpg.html need I say more. But I think you have wooden legs enough allready. I try to find a image without stamp...
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Not sure have I posted this before but "Pirates Attack a Ship" from 1732 so quite early. I think this is not the best illustration made since even the ships look worse than in many other encravings..... apparently pirates were cloned back then looking their appearace in this picture.... Picture is Fench. Info about the picture is in the page. http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~3654~5740010:-Pirates-attack-a-ship-?sort=Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle&qvq=q:pirates;sort:Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle;lc:JCB~1~1,JCBBOOKS~1~1,JCBMAPS~1~1,JCBMAPS~2~2&mi=35&trs=78
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Gaop pirate nationalities.....
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to Swashbuckler 1700's topic in Captain Twill
Looking many quotes the number of Swedes is interesting. It is not huge but it is interesting how many times it is used as example of non english crewman I know that at least in Nelson's navy there were Swedes around but what about GHoP Now speaking navy since they would be a little less mulicultural... or at least I think so. List of HMS Victory's crew's nationalities in 1805. Think about it.... it was "English" navy after all. " 515 English, 88 Irish, 67 Scottish, 50 Welsh, 1 African, 1 Brazilian, 2 Danish, 4 French, 2 Indian, 6 Maltese, 1 Portuguese, 2 Swiss, 22 American, 2 Canadian, 7 Dutch, 2 German, 1 Jamaican, 2 Norwegian, 4 Swedish, 4 West Indian, 48 Unknown." oh and source http://dalyhistory.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/the-crew-of-hms-victory-at-trafalgar/ -
Indeed mission many pirates were not savers However back to the Davis. It seems that clothes could be saved in order to use them as disguise if needed. I bet that Davis would have a change to sell these if he would have needed. It seems to me that Davis' Robert's company were saving clothes if not money e.g looking their dressing up before capture. So some clothes migth be saved for special occasions. From 1724 edition of GHoP: "Having come within Sight of the Place, he ordered all his Men under Deck, except as many as were absolutely necessary for working the Ship, that those from the Fort seeing a Ship with so few Hands, might have no Suspicion of her being any other than a trading Vessel; then he ran close under the Fort, and there cast Anchor; and having ordered out the Boat, he commanded six Men in her, in old ordinary Jackets, while he himself, with the Master and Doctor, dressed themselves like Gentlemen; his Design being, that the Men should look like common Sailors, and they like Merchants. In rowing ashore he gave his Men Instructions what to say in Case any Questions should be asked them." So it seemed that sometimes outfits couls have been saved in so they could be used as disguise.I hope you got what I mean....
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Colonial leaders and houses?
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to Swashbuckler 1700's topic in Captain Twill
Ofcourse you are totally rigth and I was not. Thanks for the info. The main thing is that I did not know what is difference there is between mansion/estate and and recidence. I was just reading this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King's_House,_Jamaica and noticed that the 1690 house was destroyed in earquage. Thanks -
I am wondering one historical thing about Nicolas Lawes and many other Jamaican governors in golden age of piracy. I wonder would governors between 1692-1764 had any own residence buildings? There is no real reason to know but I want to. Looking in many web pages it was that "Kings house" which means governor’s mansion was built in Port Royal by 1690 but it was apparently destroyed in a earthquake in 1692. Then when the government was moved to "Spanish Town" (which is near Kingston) but next King's House for governor was built as late as 1764. So historically I wonder where would those governors live... in unofficial redideces ,in local Inns, in their sugar mill mansions if they had any? Well I read that governors on 1660s had no own residence perhaps the things was. Is anyone here wiser?
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The 7 most terrifying pirates from history
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to D B Couper's topic in Captain Twill
(joke)BTW Foxe you have used the fact that earring do not appear in sailor's wils as argument against earrings but if they used them as a way to pay for their funeral then they would not be in wills ....(stupid joke ends here) Anyway I do wonder was there any things true in that article about jolly Rogers? -
The 7 most terrifying pirates from history
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to D B Couper's topic in Captain Twill
http://www.cracked.com/article_19482_6-absurd-pirate-myths-everyone-believes-thanks-to-movies.html Well what I can say here... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: those rolling eyeas are for the writer..... Stuff like " Actually, it looks like the only reason pirates wore eye patches was To Keep one eye adjusted Thurs darkness while boarding another ship" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: -
The 7 most terrifying pirates from history
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to D B Couper's topic in Captain Twill
The author lost my respect when he used unnessarily curses that does not sound cool in this contecst but foolish.... I think the whole issue with BB is that he sailed in modern USA coast. Robert's operated in Africa, Brazil, Caribbean,and -canada but not so much in Modern USA area. And BB was killed there... So Yankees in east coast are happy to think that "they had" "the most interesting pirate" who I think was not so interesting at all..... Propably not having even half of the stuff Johnson writes nor devil flag . -
Sorry for multiple posts.... Here from same page and that Martel is indeed pirate John Martel. See what soldiers were involved "1717 Cpt. Hume of the Scarborough sinks Martel’s ship at St Croix Jones/Alexander’s Sea Service Foot (38th)" Hmm that is really interesting... Anyway looking Ic:s in caribbean I am surprised of that I don't find any Barbadosian IC:s in 1700-1720 while Barbados was a grant colony.... But Jamaica had not only one but two IC:s at the same time.....
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here I found this "The mission of the Independent Companies was colonial defense as well as to augment and support offensive operations. The Independent Companies manned garrisons and forts, served as leadership cadre as well as trainers for militia forces, and served as marines for Royal Navy and Privateer vessels that needed them. Soldiering in the Independent Companies no doubt became a part time job, situation and location dependent, allowing for casual labor and taking up outside trades. Unlike soldiers in mobile regiments, these soldiers became permanent members of the community where they were stationed. " Found on good and I think reliable modern source here http://historyrecons...in_America.html and there lots of other good info as well.... Too bad that the list there ends in 1720 and so no info about 1720-1725/1730 soldiers. But I take that nothing in 1720 changed things too dramatically and indepentend companies were there too in 1720.1725/30s. Anyway looking those it seems indeed that redcoats were pretty common in all colonies with militiamen ofcourse and looking period clothing colors red was a common and cheap color even for ununiformed militiamen. and about militia (same web source) " There is no evidence I have found of militia uniforms with the exception of an effort on the part of the Port Royal Council in the 1680’s to provide black hats and red coats to the militia and an eyewitness account of the Port Royal militia wearing red coats with blue facings in 1688 . Militia rotated through forts and were involved in patrolling frontiers areas. In the case of islands and coastal regions militia patrolled areas subject to amphibious assault and piracy. Militia were also involved in expeditionary operations and subject to serve as marines on Royal Navy vessels requiring a complement of marines. " And looking that list it has only "Chronology of Military Operations in North America and identifiable British units involved, 1664-1720 " but what about the unidetfiable units so the list does not tell the whole truth.... I will let this soldier thing to rest ánd happily accepting that there were indeed redcoats around colonies and occasionally in ships as well.
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Someting nice found on the web
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The 7 most terrifying pirates from history
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to D B Couper's topic in Captain Twill
Nice list but I don't agree with it were are chinese pirates and Edward Low? What makes Dampier Terryfying? -
18th c boat nuilder Ship 18th C
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I have for a long time wondered was there any unifomity among militamen....
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What about checkered stockings used by Scottish... Paterned stockings at least.... Here 1746 painting but I know earlier pictures of the Scottish with checkered stockings
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look this http://www.christies.com/lotFinder/lot_details.aspx?intObjectID=4896607 Did I just make you a antique collector?