Swashbuckler 1700

http://rockislandauc...aid/54/lid/3037 There is 1711 musket what is painted black " British Sea Service musket with 1711 dated lock plate...... The stock is the early 1703 Pattern .... The stock retains a substantial portion of the black paint used on the stocks of Sea Service muskets.... This is a good, apparently original, example of a rare British Dog-Lock Sea Service Musket." Some sentences from there an if they hold true there we have a typical example of early 1700s musket with black paint.

Just for fun I have studied early 1700s naval weaponry and I have constantly come across "Queen Anne muskets" with dog-locks or flintlocks but what I found interesting is that many of these RN suplied guns were painted black back then. Why? was there any real reason for that or did some one just think that it looks cool? Like this early 1700s naval musket.

By the way this lead to other interesting question. What about letters of marques of East india company? I think they had right to hire the privateers. If not so then correct me.

http://upload.wikime...7th_Century.jpg That was a musket manual in 1600s George Anson's capture of a Manila galleon. In Mid 18th century. You can make it a quite much larger http://ageofsail.dev...el_scott_1_.jpg Here is the man. apparently before 1748 as there is no blue and white uniform. http://www.coincommu...rdAnson_opt.jpg Now a lovely map (thanks Grymm) but the decoration figures are interesting also (below rigth) http://maps.bpl.org/id/14150 There is a fineny dressed European figure (with some facial hair by the way) but on the left side we can see some common man's/ sailors clothes starting with a jacket with simple 3 buttoned cuffs and small brimm hats and other headgear as well. Also I see it likely that the other European man with a bottle(look left from the gentleman) can well be a sailor. There is also odd mythical creatures like in always in old maps but i have nothing to say about them.

I have found this a little time ago in some history forum but I cannot tell where . However I think this was written by Privateer Shelvocke after a shipwreck. "In two months we made a tolerable shew, owing in a great measure to the ingenuity of Poppleston, our armourer, who never lost a minute in working with his hands, or contriving in his head. He made us a small double-headed maul, hammers, chisels, and a sort of gimblets or wimbles, which performed very well. He even made a bullet-mould, and an instrument to bore cartouch-boxes, which he made from the trucks of our gun-carriages, covering them with seal-skins, and contrived to make them not only convenient, but neat." I found this when I wanted, just for fun, to find out how popular cartouche-boxes were. (and after looking period pictures and reading some quotes, like the blackbeard battle thing from 1719 newpaper quote, I think that those boxes were, if not popular, used at least in some numbers by fighting sailors and pirates alike.)

The reason for the boots is just that in caricatures in late 1700s Spanish are depicted in 17th clothing, this migty be just to say that their reign is gone. Not the only cartoon where this is happened. So only the English sailor and perhaps the Dutch figure/ sailor are reliable.

A bit later than gaop but it shows us sailors in mid 1700s. With easily recognizable small hats and petticoat breeches. http://jcb.lunaimagi...2~2&mi=2&trs=31 I am not sure have i posted this before but http://jcb.lunaimagi...2~2&mi=6&trs=31 and with this picture I have nothing to comment about Later than gaop but again English sailor. He is on the left http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2&mi=17&trs=31

I have read, sorry no source now , that large number of German immigrants moved to Colonies in gaop, before and after. I wonder that migth it actually be so that some of these men or women were considered "English" in documents as they lived in English colonies? Many colonist were called just English of the colony was English. And what about german pirates. There was certainly a few Germans in crews, of course it was really tiny number.

Well here is a moder source about pirates and rifles. http://pirates.hegewisch.net/musketW.html So Why not jäger (ah how good it feels to get "ä" here) rifles... but actual centucy rifles... well in theory why not. This all also reminds of one question that belongs to the Pirate nationalities tread.

Well some one else can provide info better but I try Ship galleys were always as far away from powdermagazine. Often near the bow of the ship see number 31. on deck there is a chimney in 21. http://upload.wikime...iagram_orig.jpg first rate ship of the line in 1728 Near forecastle at the bow would be normal place for galley.... i think and I think that in Golden Hond replica, the galley is in the forecastle. See this model. Sloop has a black chimney http://americanhisto...l/2009-5605.jpg near the bow..... there is even a part of the brick oven visble on the deck so this seems to be the place o galley... http://i-am-modelist...nia_sloop_1.jpg where is the chimney in ships there is the galley. I think those are chimneys since there were no need for other tubes than pumps and chimneys.

From Rn articles of war 1661 http://www.british-h...rquery=articles "The public Worship of God. 1. That all Co[m]manders Captaines and other Officers att Sea shall cause the publique Worshipp of Almighty God according to the Liturgy of the Church of England established by Law to be solemnly orderly and reverently performed in theire respective Ships And that prayers and preachings by the respective Chaplaines in holy Orders of the respective Ships be performed diligently and that the Lords Day be observed according to Law. Swearing, Drunkenness, &c. 2. Every person and persons in his Majesties pay using unlawfull and rash Oathes Cursings Execrations Drunkennes Uncleannes or other Scandalous Actions in derogation of Gods Honour and corruption of good manners shall be punished by Fine Imprisonment or otherwise as the Court Martiall shall thinke fitt." and thinking Barry Burg now . Here is an interesting rule. Think that always that what was banned was done, sometimes, otherwise they wouldn't have punishments for it. E.G There is no " don't bring pink elephants aboard" rule since there were no need for that. "32. If any person or persons in or belonging to the Fleet shall commit the unnaturall and detestable sin of Buggery or Sodomy with Man or Beast he shall be punished with death without mercy."

I think the reason why there were no guns (cannons) was that those ships were not Rn ship but other vessels hired by the governor. And I think Spotwood was a little stingy man as he promised only 100 pounds for bb's head while South Carolina gover promised 600 puonds from Bonnet.

Old reply but: Just for fun I would like to know. What kind of Naval issue swords? Am I wrong if I am thinking shell guard hangers?

From Angus Konstam’s “Scourge of the Seas: Buccaneers, Pirates & Privateers” I am angry as there are neither real references nor sources with this. Anyway there is the Scottish broad sword mentioned.... at least indirect way. The ammo box mention is also an interesting one but not surprising as we know the Whydah box that was found and also period pictures show them. And common sense says that they were worn. “An account of the fight between Lieutenant Maynard of the Royal Navy and Edward Teach (Blackbeard') illustrates the violent nature of a boarding action:' Maynard and Teach themselves began the fight with their swords, Maynard making a thrust, the point of his sword went against Teach's cartridge box, and bended it to the hilt. Teach broke the guard of it, and wounded Maynard's fingers but did not disable him, whereupon he jumped back and threw away his sword and cut Teach's face pretty much; in the interim both companies engaged in Maynard's sloop, one of Maynard's men being a Highlander, engaged Teach with his broad sword, who gave Teach a cut on the neck, Teach saying well done lad; the Highlander replied, 'If it be not well done, I'll do better.' With that he gave him a second stroke, which cut off his head, laying it flat on his shoulder.”

Still about boots. In have watched Potc 2 bonus materials and there is said interesting thing.That Depp hap problems with his boots as the boots let water inside the boots. This was a big problem in shore schenes were there was water. At the end holes were made to the boots to let the water out. One good example of that sailors and bucket boots don't belong together. I think the bare foot thing is more a weather question than a matter about practicality. I have found some, well Nelson era (but many things changed only a little) quote of sailors working withouth shirts in warmer weather. Why not take the shoes off as well. A (land) quote about pirates in Madagascar told that men where on shore "withouth shoes or stockings". Ask the quote from me or somebody else if you don't know the quote I mean. The thing did men use much shoes is a interesting question. I would like to find someting era or near era quotes (age of sail spectrum) about one fact. Many pirate books, well to be honest it was R. Platt's "Pirate" there was claimed that there were used small metal pieces, in battles, to cause damage to barefoot enemy sailors. It would tell someting if it is truth. But aren't shoes even a bit slippery on wet deck? not good for evidence as it is too new but see the man aboard sailing ship and on wooden deck http://depts.washing...arefoot-360.jpg But this is a period one (or well decade later than gaop but we must accept as near period sources...) Yes there are hints of Hercules but he is a sailor allright.

Great summary! Mission the quote was already in pub but perhaps not in this tread.. But thanks for posting it.

Mission: I have read few pages but i not goind to read all 22 pages (as this is not so interesting). And said I that the things that I said were new? no And your quote is an old one as well as my info so what is the deal..... Foxe: see how the cloth goes with the shoe. It looks, to me a some sort of shoe cover, but well not a boot.(Cover Like what was used in armies like here(http://warandgame.fi...11_ss01_01.jpeg). It can be just a poorly drawn shoe still....

I have never been one to justify boots as I don't think that they are even very cool but. This proves that at least those partucular pirates had no riding suitable boots. But even those pirates migth have some bad weather short boots or someting that we can see e.g with spanish sailors of the era. Moreover we have evindence of one solitary pirate having pair of boots and even spurs (notable is that he had other riding stuff also with him). Often is said that boot during gaop were not fashionable well they were not but: Like this quote tells gentlemen, mainly when riding, would have a pair of boots. This is so that there is some solitary evindence for boots and more better evindence against them so I would say "typically pirates did not used boots. Especially not riding style "bucket boots"." And I wonder what is a shoe here is it a shoe with some sort of covering or is it in fact a boot (the navigator with loose cap and neckcloth) These are dutch sailors somewhere aroind 1690s. The facial hair gives also some food for thougth. http://www.jpmaps.co.uk/mapimages/originals/31651cartouche.jpg Why I found that if there is a small piece of truth in pirate clothing myths l(ike sashes or earrings) they have someting to do with Dutch sailors. (type example is this picture http://www.britishmuseum.org/collectionimages/AN00914/AN00914614_001_l.jpg)

Well I have kept sharp thing in tooth and did not have hurted myself and I have moved also with some so.... I say it is to me practical enough but not really confortable..... anyway.... I think we aren't getting anywhere with this.... but indeed why it would have been a common? I think it was more unkommon.....

Most of us know the typical chain - and bar-shot used in Age of sail to make damagge when shot at ships' riggings and sails.I was wondering how old they actually are. At least they were common in 1650 onwards but when precisely. Many web pages say that "somewhere in 17th Century" but in this quite reliable forum there is earllier chain-shots http://www.vikingswo...p?t=8012&page=2. Also I would like to get some mentions of pirates using them. Ofcourse they were used since pirates wanted to do just that what they were for, meaning dissmasting prey ships and then capture them. Relatives of chain shots, bar-shots are found on the wreck of Whydah. http://farm7.staticf...350b864e2_z.jpg. But is there any clear mentions.

Well I have read that Wyeth took a lots of inspiration from pyle's work. He invented e.g that gaop pirates used really large brass hilt cutlasses what are not anything close to pc.e.g http://www.flickr.co...N04/4664563143/ that was pc this is wyeth http://image0-rubyla...ate/BC75.1L.jpg This is offtopic but I dare to say that he is more or less responsible of "the pirate tattoo thing" see the previous artwork. Nowdays ralely there is place were the tattoos aren't haunting with the pirates btw What is good to remeber that teasure island, at least originally, "happens" in mid 18th century. So a bit later than gaop and in its illustrations things like sailors hair queue are not bad errors at least as bad as they would be in gaop. I still not however say that knife in theet is completely a myth. While it was not really common behaviour it makes sense, at least to me as a theet user.

Again Russian sailor but... see there is navy officer boots mentioned there http://www.starsoft....a/skampaen.html "The (Russian) navy had its own uniform by this time. In 1701, part of the navy, the Moscow Navigation School, was fitted out with its own uniform; in 1707, the oarsmen of the aristocracy's galleys were similarly dressed, and in 1710 the seamen. The uniforms were intended to be changed every two years. The style of the uniform followed the Dutch model, and the color was cornflower blue. The boots and shoes found also belong to the navy uniform: non-commissioned officers received a new pair of boots every two years (Belik 1990:11). Information to be revealed by the bones preserved in the surviving parts of the uniforms, e.g. boots, is pending the result of osteological examination; the decision on how to treat the remains is also still to come. The most probable solution is to declare the Truthällan and Ryssberget areas a military cemetery. " While Russians, the conditions aboard ships were quite similar (even in galleys and other ships) than in other european maniners. And Russians followed Dutch and English examples. But boots were not popular that is clear....

For some reason I found myself studying "The Great Northern War" and I found a pic that is enough pirate related, desides being time related. http://www.starsoft.fi/bothnia/skampaen.html The main thing is the "Reconstructed uniform of a Russian seaman." I know pirates were rarely Russians but it is period sailor clothing nevertheless.

Look here! http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/249-ships-galleons-frigates-and-corvettes