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So do I understand correctly, that sandcast tinnen mugs and plates are not period correct for lets say 1700 ??

Do you have pictures? Is this what you have in mind? http://www.armetale.com/armetale/index.php?fuseAction=group&sale=&t=pat&ID=3

I have forwarded the picture and asked a friend who knows a _lot_ about various embroidery types if she can help. If she doesn't know, I'd say it's likely she knows someone who does. The style looks familiar, when I locate my sampler I might be able to tell you (but my friend is a better bet than my finding things right now). Meanwhile, if you can get your hands on this book: http://www.burnleyandtrowbridge.com/18thcenturyembroiderytechniques.aspx it might help.

I would like to have some one do some (a lot) 1700 emboidery in the future.

She now a day's does verry good and fine traditional Roemeniën things, so i asked here if se could also do something like this:

to be honest it scared here of a bit, and she wanted to know more about the techique.

So I wondered what more is there to say and know about this style of embroidery..?

So are there (online) explinations about how to approache this kind of work and what technigues to use??

Thanks!

LOL. Can't wait until someone creates the distaff version of this!

"Did everyone see that? Because I will NOT be doing it again."

I loved that line, and have to wonder how many times he really did that take

here ya go!! Click on this image. And while you all are at it. If you see people in pics I have not been able to tag, please tag away. I have gone through the first couple thousand of the pics taken by Poppa and Momma Ratzi... I will keep going through them..trying to pull out the 100 best pics of PIP... IMHO anyways....Beauwolf Snuggle Pic

That's priceless!

Great display!

Now CANNONS, are a definitely possibility!!! Though, I read in the maze of laws that Black Powder (itself) comes under the "explosives" laws and when you click the link on the RCMP site, it takes you to some Canadian Justice Department site. (At the point I was swearing too profusely to continue my web search.) ALL I WANT TO DO IS MAKE LOUD BANGS!!! Goddamned do-gooders!!! (Ya can't take a BATH without 2 or 3 DO-GOODERS jumping in with you to tell you how to be doing it properly and safely!!) Quebec is so goddamned backwards when it comes to modern movements (e.g. the re-enactment stuff or whatever). They are TOTALLY focused on making sure everyone speaks french .. all else is insignificant and even unknown. Getting friends to hold my pistols in the good ol' USA seems the safest bet ... but, what a pain for the friend/relative. Hmmmm ... maybe if I PAID them for their inconvenience - a yearly stipend.

Some guy (from Florida) on the PiP site had a gold-colored, light-weight (50 pounds) mortar with a price tag of $350 ... man, I would love to own that! Would have bought it, but it was his display. These have been tested at 3 times the recommended powder load.

So where does that leave me with regard to black powder firearms? I have no idea.... lolol Probably just as well anyway ... I don't have any money left!

You might want to talk to some of the RevWar guys. They just had an event up at Ft. George (Niagra on the Lake) and were encouraged to burn as much powder as possible. Getting the powder to Canada from the US was not a problem, taking any home however, was where it got complicated. (We've run into some rather creative methods of getting powder from point A to point B when the rules are unsympathetic).

Oh, my husband just informed me it was Parks Canada who told them what to do to smooth things over getting guns in and out, they could probably help you out with ownership legalities, too. Just ask them what the Canadian rules are for reenactors who want to own whatever it is you wish to buy.

The guys taking their guns up to Canada were told to call all their guns "antique firearms", not black powder, muzzle loader, or anything else. Getting documentation that it belongs to you as personal property will help you avoid duty on it going back and forth between Canada and the U.S.

PM me off list and I can get the "who to contact" details sorted out from the Husband and send them back to you. We have folks coming South all the time from Canada for big events, so we know there are some up there that have gone through all the hoops before. We just don't own a pistol yet, personally, so haven't had to jump that hurdle

So, I be a wonderin', be there any pyrates, buccaneers, or other unsavory characters holed up in Oklahoma? I got plenty o' room on me roster fer a few worthy souls...

Greetings,

Well, I have a bunch of cousins out that way, but I don't think they qualify (OK, the ones who do rendezvous might-- I don't know what they get up to at their events *G*).

That bein' said, I can just see a prairie schooner emblazoned with skull and crossbones. Now wouldn't that be a hoot? Could bring a whole new slant to Rodeo.

Good luck looking for playmates in the land of the Sooner. If I hear anything useful, I'll let you know.

Jen

who once got in trouble for burying treasure on the OU campus.

Great pictures! Thanks for sharing those! Can't wait until you actually get into the fort

I knew this fort must have been related to piracy somehow..

My link

...Fort of San Felipe de Lara (El Castillo)

The fort of San Felipe de Lara is locally referred to as El Castillo or The Castillo.

The Castillo is about 1 km upstream from the bridge at Fronteras at a point where the Rio Dulce constricts just before the river ends and widens into Lake Izabal. The fort was placed there by the Spanish to prevent English pirates from raiding the villages and caravans along the shores of Lake Izabal. It is located on a rocky point that gives it a good field of fire but was only partly successful at stopping the audacious pirates. Pirates repeatedly destroyed the The Castillo and in 1686 they captured and burned it to the ground. Each time it was rebuilt by a different engineer and made stronger than before.

The version that stands today has tremendously thick walls. At one point the Spanish went so far as to string a chain across the river in an attempt to deny access to the pirates.

By the end of the 1700s there were no more pirates so the fortress was pressed into service as a prison. Today it has been nicely restored and is surrounded by a park which is perfect for picnics. A dock is provided for lanchas to unload passengers. Anchoring directly in front of the Castillo is not

permitted.

El Estor

El Estor gets its name from the days of the days of the English pirates who used to sail up the Rio Dulce to buy or steal supplies from "The Store". Not far from El Estor is the town of Panzós where one of the landmark events of the recently ended Guatemalan civil war occurred in 1978 when over one hundred men, women and children were gunned down by the Guatemalan Army. Today, El Estor is a little gem of a town because of the municipal improvements made by the Nickel Company of Canada. Throughout the 1960s and 70s, the nickel company constructed a nickel mine and refinery about a kilometer from El Estor. In exchange for permission to operate, the nickel company agreed to invest in improving the town of El Estor. El Estor is now paved with wide and clean streets, the electrical grid is new as is the telephone system. The nickel mine was unsuccessful and the plant is now closed. Today, El Estor is a clean and beautiful albeit quiet town where nothing much ever happens. Strolling the streets of El Estor is enjoyable. If you visit El Estor, be sure to visit the modern central park where there is a large fenced aquarium containing 3 or 4 full sized alligators.

The last three weeks i have been in Guatemala (again) and visited the Lago Izabal and Rio Dolce area. So I can now ad some my own pictures here...

The above building was the formerly store that is beliefed the "warehouse" that the english pirates plunderd recularly...

I think is was build somewhere around 1800 so it's not exactly GAoP... but it's stil old.

and above the castillo as it is now... unfortunatly I havend been able to enter the buidling but that would be something for the next time...

This is a vacation park at the Lago Izabal conviniently called El Paraiso, because that's simply what it is...

and then the amazing scenery, I don't know about you all, but when I reenact I would like to get a feel of the landscape in wich the history took place. For me this is it, to start with...

cheers for more pictures, see my Gallery here on Pyracy.com or on my facebook page (where it's a lot easier to upload pictures.

More on clothing is also coming soon...

Thanks for those sources! Mine for this type of thing were rather disappointing

Wes,

Try this site, is quite helpful and comes from the source of it all - Port Royal - long before New Providence was en vogue for later GAoP types. This thesis paper has a vast amount of info throughout apropos to your inquiry. Illustrations & pictures of period spoons on pages: 29-30, 39-40, 42, 45, 64, 66, 68, 72, 76, 78, 81, 84, 86, 89, 96, 99, 104-105, 107, 111, 113, 117, 119, 121, 125, and 128. Source material: Historical Analysis of Pewter Spoons Recovered from the Sunken City of Port Royal, Jamaica (1985) by Catheryn Ann Wadley. Master's thesis, Department of Anthropology, Texas A&M University, College Station. Weblink to Master's Thesis: http://nautarch.tamu.edu/pdf-files/Wadely-MA1985.pdf

The following source contains only a few spoons dug at Jamestown. However, such are certainly of the era and might be of interest in your search for spoon info. Source material: New Discoveries at Jamestown: Site of the First Successful English Settlement in America (1957) by John L. Cotter & J. Paul Hudson: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16277/16277-h/16277-h.htm (spoons pictured in part two, table accessories, knives/forks/spoons)

Brass

From the description of spoon styles in "Artifacts of Colonial America" this is probably a Puritan style spoon, a development in style which occurred around 1660 according to Ivor Noel Hume. Check out this pic on ebay toward the bottom of this page:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PURITAN-STYLE-PEWTER-SPOON-/160485370892

and this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/17TH-c-PURITAN-PEWTER-SPOON-2-OLD-COLLECTION-/130439912724#ht_500wt_1156

And this article has lots of styles, and perhaps an example just like yours:

http://www.pastmasters.info/PewterSpoons.pdf

Please PM me when you start casting! I may have a project for you

I have an old pewter spoon, Its got to be a repo, but looks similar to this:

I am thinking of making a mold for it and maybe making a set or two of spoons. Question is, does anyone know possible age or period of said spoon styles?

Thanks!

Wes

Exactly! Great pics!

An important business in any seaport was the ship chandlery. This store carried just about anything needed on a vessel. The chandler had to know the community in which he lived as well as the ships that put into port. He carried specialized equipment, such as those items needed in the fishing or whaling industry if those were the type of vessels he serviced on a regular basis. Typical stores included salted fish, beef, and pork, ship's biscuits (hardtack), molasses, potatoes, onions, spices, flour, rum, tobacco, blankets, pipes, knives, clothing, navigational instruments, lanterns, buoys, logbooks, inkstands, needles, beeswax, canvas, marine hardware, paint, and oil. These particular pictures are of the ship chandlery at Mystic Seaport, which showcases items of the 19th century.

Please, help! My character helps another one to buy a harpoon. Somebody had advised them to go to a ship selling items for fishing ships. How to describe the shop? What do they see inside? (It is 1719, if it helps you).

I just realized what I just posted may not be where you were trying to go with this question. Other things might be nets, sail cloth, ropes, large needles and either hemp or linen cord for repairing nets and sails, sailmaker's palms, pitch, possibly baskets or other containers for fish that are caught (they're not gonna carry a load of fish in their arms, eh?) These things aren't neatly stored on lines of shelves like a modern store, but stacked and folded and leaning up against walls (and hanging on them) for the larger items, in boxes or barrels for others. Smaller things could be on counters or on shelves behind the counters. If you look at period art work, this seems to be the way things are done. Some shops (I'm trying to remember the engraving where I think I saw this) could have items stacked neatly on tables in the shop.

Your best bet is to start looking at art work online. Good luck!

Please, help! My character helps another one to buy a harpoon. Somebody had advised them to go to a ship selling items for fishing ships. How to describe the shop? What do they see inside? (It is 1719, if it helps you).

I'm not sure there would have been such a fishing specific shop in 1719. A lot of items were trade-specific in how they were purchased locally, iirc. And shops that carried things from multiple trades might carry things for fishing boats and farmers, household goods, etc., depending on the needs of the area, and possibly determined by how large a community they're in (more room to specialize in a large city than a small village). Later period advertisements from merchants in the PA Gazette, for example, show all sorts of things "newly arrived" on ship X, from food items to eye glasses, being sold at the sign of Whatever, on Y Street, next to Craftsman A, B and Tavern C. There's no reason to assume a large shift in practices from the end of the 17th century to the middle of the 18th, when with all the other changes in goods we still practice things that way even today.

So, basically what I'm saying is that a shop which carries harpoons, if not coming from a craftsman whose trade is specifically that sort of equipment (things utilizing the same materials and skills), could also contain horse harness and teapots, etc. And of course, most likely, other things useful to the fishing trade

Hopefully, that was a little helpful! (or was it totally confusing?)

yes i have! lol yeah...those legs need some stockings.....or do they already have them......lol....indeed, i know those shoes, they are from a european company called McFarthingbowls. The only person in the states who i know has them is our very own Ivan Henry/ mooseworth(the gun merchant)...as far as i last heard, he was quite happy with them.........i though they offered them in natural or brown at one time....id for sure get them then! Does anyone know the maker of the other shoes on the site? and if they are any good...$70 for a back up pair of shoes isnt bad at all......

Definitely a bit cheaper than Burnley and Trowbridge, but RH doesn't carry small enough sizes for me. Tempting, though.

glad to know its not just me!

The website seems to be up again. Have you been able to look at them? Kinda funny looking with hairy legs sticking out

not sure if its just me, but the website doesnt seen to be presently working........and id really like to check this out!...i have a feeling i know where the shoes are from.......

I'm not getting through right now, but it was working earlier. Interesting...

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! And safe travels for those of you who'll be on the road!

Crap, I wish I had known, it's all of like ten minutes from my house.

Just keep an eye open for it to show up in their archives of programs so you can watch it online if it isn't up already. You're bound to have a better seat at your computer than those of us stuck standing in the back did. It was definitely worth standing for the entire hour to hear what she had to say, though. She did play to a packed house, in spite of a last minute change of location at APL. And I'd say it was about 45 minutes of historic stuff, and 10 modern (even the brief amount of modern was very interesting).

What I'd like to know is what it would take to audit her semester's worth of this class at the Naval Academy when you're definitely not gonna qualify for enrollment!?!

Yes but those are baroque guitar. It doesn't sound or look like a modern acoustic or classical guitar at all.

I found a bunch of YouTube vidoes of baroque guitars. They're higher pitched than the modern guitar.

Maybe it's just the tune, but this one almost sounds like a banjo. Very nice, though.

And concerning the lyrics Grymm posted, I've been told that political satire and bawd songs were popular in Paris. Assuming I was told right (and understood right), it looks like this was an international phenomenon.

Those are just lovely! Any idea if the first player has recordings available other than on YouTube?

Definitely more of a period sound and tempo.

Would you assume that a typical tavern carried a selection of beverages or only one?

I think somewhere in Rod Colfield's notes (or perhaps another inventory), there was at least one record of more than one beverage being consumed by a patron. I'm pretty sure from my days working at a historic site that was also a tavern/inn, that multiple beverages were available, as well as food, lodging, fodder for horses, etc.(depending on the establishment). The art work bears this up, in that you can see different types of bottles and punch bowls on some tables in tavern scenes.

If you want more detail, you'll have to check out this link, as the Pub won't let me post the event announcement in it's entirety here (I've tried 3 times). Basically, free lecture on fighting Piracy, then and now, at Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, Md, from 1 to 2 this Friday, November 19, 2010

http://www.jhuapl.edu/colloquium/

Click on Virginia Lunsford's name and you'll get more detail about the subject. The event is free to the public, and materials and live video of the event will be available in the colloquium archives later if you can't get there.

Sorry for the short notice, I just found out about it today.

The item hanging from the bushes might have been a woman's bathing suit top .... or something like that. Kinda hard to tell from the ground level.

Unless it was a guy in drag. I think that would count but I could be wrong ...I don't know about these things.

Yeah, in Key West, any thing's possible. I shouldn't have assumed it belonged to a woman, although for a potential drag queen, it was rather ambitious

As my sister says, what happens in Key West, stays in Key West.

re: the clothing optional bar .. I suppose the town fathers have passed a law that prohibits gross old men from taking off their clothes in such places?

Like Hurricane said, no discrimination there. I know someone in his 70's who makes sure he gets there every time he visits. It might be considered a pilgrimage.

The item hanging from the bushes might have been a woman's bathing suit top .... or something like that. Kinda hard to tell from the ground level.

I agree Hawkyns with the eye tainted by modern times. For example, that much cider would be nothing to someone in Port Royal in the late 17th Century...

With this point in mind it is perhaps worth bearing in mind that the standard navy issue was 1 gallon of beer per man per day.

But with my above post in mind, how strong was the beer/cider? A gallon of 2% beer only contains the same amount of alcohol as 2 pints of 8% beer.

A lot of the beer consumed would have been what is called small beer, made out of the leavings from the first or second batch of beer. Gotta squeeze every useful bit out of that barley and hops! It wasn't very alcoholic. I'll see if I can't dig out my notes from the brewing workshop at CW last year. Might not be tonight, but soon.

And beer is like liquid nutrition, where you can't preserve grain, so beer at sea makes sense. Easier to keep it from going "off".