Liam McMac

Liam.....We gotta get ye some decent Stockings, them French ones just aint workin' for Ye....

French?!

How dare you

hahaha

Here is the basic kit finished... like I was concerned... it doesn't seem very different from most ren-kits but I did modify the cap according to some variations I've seen in some plates.

hmmm....

Here are a few photos of the wool doublet...

Hidden are seams are machine sewn

army green ribbon stripes with light brown pinstriping

dark blue twill.... I wanted it to have a little decoration without hinting at gentry.. we happen to be a fairly succesful band of brigands

Hand finishing the lining and plan to add hand-bound eyelets for the closure

simple I know...

I need some instruction on hand sewing..

Man... I learn something new every day... great work brother

I am so impatient. I need to do an entirely hand-sewn project to teach me to slow down

The lighting is a bit dim but I make up for it with flair... note the groovy stockings hahaha

the slops are all drawstring with a (1) button fly for convenience. The doublet is a simple doublet of my own design to be worn open for warmer weather but I am working on a light wool, Elizabethan doublet with ribbon stripes.

Curious to see what ye come up with, Liam. There are at least a couple good starting characters - Raleigh and Drake. I'm sure there were others. Happy hunting and researching.

~Lady B

Thank you m'lady... I would be so lucky to be as well Dressed as Sir Francis Drake. Alas I am but a gunner and my wardrobe will have to reflect that fact. I wouldn't dare try to outshine the Captain hahaha

Oh no worries there sir... we Scots/Irish are dashing regardless hahaha

S#!t! I just can't help myself..I have to ask:

By "Scots/Irish" do you mean The Scots and/or The Irish, or The Ulster Scots?

I'm not looking to start a row, seriously, just compelled by curiosity...

Well... by Scots/Irish I'm refering to the fact that I have both Irish and Scottish heritage. Mostly Irish but more Scottish in spirit.

I think when you do any festival, whether ren fair, festival, or reenactment, you should always dress to the period. It bugs the hell out of me when I go to a ren fair pirate festival and see the majority of people in GAoP kit. I don't care if it's correct to the last stitch, or a costume from the local sex shop, it's still wrong. When I went to PiP, I dressed 1700, because that is what the rules stated, even though that is not my primary impression. Piracy has variations in kit, just like the clothing of the people, and I think you should always adjust your kit to whichever date the fair is based on.

Hawkyns

I couldn't agree with you more sir... you and Gallenish hit the head on the nose hahaha. My kit will probably not be very complex for this application... I just wanted to be accurate when I attended and I hope that people ask me about my kit so that I can help spread info and interest in period accuracy.

The biggest problem is that no one will know what you are dressed as.....

This was from the Bakersfield Renn Faire a few years ago... I make of from cotton instead of wool, and I'm kinda glad that I didn't spend the money for wool...I've only worn it once.... The most common comment about the clothing (the thrum cap) was ...."you having a bad hair day"

Of course, I'm working on 1669 Buccaneer clothing, and no one knows (OK... very few people) what that is either... So I wish you luck on your endeavor... (There is a group at Northern California Renn Faires that does Elizabethan Sailors... )

First off.... BaBushka! hahaha

Thats what I figured that most people would be confused because you really don't see people portraying pirates durring this period and I'm sure even less people would know how to if they wished to do so. I have done a bit of research and those large baggy slops you are wearing is exactly what I was going to use for this kit... of course not of wool... I would die in late summer! I am going to use a basic doublet pattern of a light weight, dark blue wool lined with muslin. Not sure on the type of hat I want to use for the kit but I have seen some nice variations on the basic Ren faire hat that would interest people I believe.

I will keep updated with pics as it progresses

Well, I certainly don't want to hijack Liam's thread. He's actually trying to accomplish something here.

I'll just say that fantasy, when presented as fantasy, is quite fun. Anyone who tries to pass off the "fantasy" image as reality is an idiot. But on the other hand, I've had some label my very existence as offensive just because I can't afford or make justacorps or proper slops.

Thank you for the cosideration sir... I must say that it really is not as expensive as you may think. Try looking around a bit more, I'm sure you can find some deals that wouldn't cost you much more than what you spend on other clothing.

Now back to the Ren Era Sailors clothing... still waiting to hear from Kass on the subject.. hmmm

Liam you can still produce and wear a period correct set of attire that cuts a dashing figure without having to resort to inaccurate stereotypical "Polly-wood" schlock. Good luck with it!!!

Oh no worries there sir... we Scots/Irish are dashing regardless hahaha

most of the ones that were there were just a bunch of fantasy pirates anyway so...

I hope you're not saying that in a distasteful way...

we have our place too

Indeed sir... you (they) do. Yet when attending an era specific faire it only seems fitting to follow suit. I also saw a guy dressed as Link from Zelda at this faire... which was utterly confusing. That is why we have pirate faires and Wonder Con etc... I wouldn't show up as a pirate to a Star Wars convention or as Boba Fet to PIP. I have nothing against fantasy roleplayers because as you say the have their place... fantasy is part of the whole allure. Although... with all the hard work people put in to being perfectly PC it seems a shame to outshine them with flare from 200 years in the future.

again no dissrespect... any pirate is kin to me

Thank you kindly sir... I took a similar course last summer at the junior college here yet it was very vague as it focused on the global perspective. I'm certain a graduate level course will be much more introspective. I threw the instructor for a loop though when I included the role of pyracy in European global domination during the age of exploration. Few people realize that if not for English pyrates and their constant raiding of Spanish ships... Futbol instead of Football might be the game of choice here in the states.

I am currently working on a kit for a ren era pirate. Here on the Gold Coast we have a faire in late summer called Queen Bess and the Pyrates which is a faire dedicated to the Elizibethan era and her support of English privateers. The first year I went I noticed that there were hardly any pirates at all and most of the ones that were there were just a bunch of fantasy pirates anyway so...... I decided to create a PC kit for my next attendance and for every other ren faire I attend. A pirate is a pirate... no matter what year it is says I.

Not sure how it will be much different from many ren kits but I will do my best to make it as sea worthy as possible.

What say ye fellow scallywags?

will soon follow with pics

These are kind of on hold for a buyer who I am waiting on a yea or nea from.

If you are interested, PM me and I will offer it on a first come, first served basis.

They are swine flu and pox free I'm assuming? hmm?

Uh oh here we go... I have the same questions for my .45 rifled Kentucky pistol. Ive been told to wad when firing blanks but not quite sure on the grains was gonna work myself up to the proper boom size hahaha

I'm happy to see that the middle class has begun to feel the pinch of our self-destructive, debt-based, fake democracy. The lower class has known it for decades but now that the middle class can no longer afford their gas grills along with the fact that they are losing their retirements (which is something the lower class never had) something is starting to be done about it. Hey... better late than never.

I think the same thing happened in France. No one cares until it affects their pocket.

"Down, Evremonde! To the Guillotine all aristocrats! Down, Evremonde!" _A Tale of Two Cities

It's not as if the lasses want us all to be Hugh Jackman, or something...

yes they do... but they know it's not possible

I want every woman to be Jennifer Connely but the hard truth is... there is only one

and she's married to the albino from the DaVinci Code! C'mon... seriously??

I'm sure that only about one percent of people on this planet find it attractive to be that skinny .... Just like no one acctually wears all that crap that they model at fashion shows besides the small amount of 'fashion concious' rich people.

curves are what make a woman...

not only figuratively... but literaly

Exactly... if you love to be the person who has everything 'perfect' down to the seams, cut, threads and materials of your clothing, then by all means, be that person. The same goes for camp and participation in reinactment. I also love the research aspect of it and accuracy is a big part of what I do, but I just don't go full bore and that is simply my perogative.

I have nothing gainst the people who do all the research because they have helped me with my research. We all owe a great deal to those who put in that extra effort because without them we would not have this great forum. For example... the wooden shoes topic... I mentioned it and as quick as a gunshot... you had several people offering up documentation.

All I'm saying is that it's best to argue among others who share your hightened passion for it and not look down on others who are not so dedicated.

One Eyed Willie---- Out

Like I said... I am aware of the SMALL amount of documentation for common clothing and again it quite often differs from more well-to-do clothing. Yes of course people liked second hand clothing but not everyone. Nor could everyone afford it.

my whole point here is... do what you feel comfortable with... that includes you

just do it for yourself and worry about YOURSELF only because the firrst order of business... in my opinion... is to have fun. And no one can have fun with someone breathing down their neck or nit picking their clothes.

Unless you see some fools in garb that is WAY out of place... please lets all say someting to them

This is a topic on which I have to comment. For the most part.... the only clothing that was ever recorded by writing or by artwork was the clothing of the well-to-do... I.E. the gentry and the wealthy. The dress of common folk was rarely mentioned and rightly so... like the common folk had no need to remember how "common" their clothing was. Therefore it is simple logic that 90% of the clothing ever worn by common folk was never recorded at all and I'm sure that they made their own clothes. In my research I have found that at times, the clothing of common folk did not even come close to resembling clothing that was en vogue.

There were a hundred variances on basic garments, and folks prefered one style over another. I have found documentation of common folk wearing wooden shoes but I doubt many people would make a big deal about that because... who wants to wear wooden shoes?? Although it is a fact.

It's all about preference as long as you don't look like a polyester Errol Flynn in thigh highs with red and black striped MC Hammer pants. If you look the part for the general time period and have correct fabric... who cares how your seams are? Or pockets... or closures.

The problem with people getting stuck on clothing being perfectly correct is the lack or variety. Who wants a buck of cookie cutter pirates in the same kit?? If you are participating in an acctual historical battle or some event to that effect... then yes, please be as correct as possible.

otherwise.... blah

This is a topic on which I have to comment. For the most part.... the only clothing that was ever recorded by writing or by artwork was the clothing of the well-to-do... I.E. the gentry and the wealthy. The dress of common folk was rarely mentioned and rightly so... like the common folk had no need to remember how "common" their clothing was. Therefore it is simple logic that 90% of the clothing ever worn by common folk was never recorded at all and I'm sure that they made their own clothes. In my research I have found that at times, the clothing of common folk did not even come close to resembling clothing that was en vogue.

There were a hundred variances on basic garments, and folks prefered one style over another. I have found documentation of common folk wearing wooden shoes but I doubt many people would make a big deal about that because... who wants to wear wooden shoes?? Although it is a fact.

It's all about preference as long as you don't look like a polyester Errol Flynn in thigh highs with red and black striped MC Hammer pants. If you look the part for the general time period and have correct fabric... who cares how your seams are? Or pockets... or closures.

If you are participating in an acctual historical battle or some event to that effect... then yes, please be as correct as possible.

otherwise.... blah

LMAO

"Ditto"