Liam McMac

You know...I knew someone would say that

Murder is a specific word meaning killing without justification

Any fool who says he believes murder is ok is a liar... I don't care who you are or where you are from

No one would want to lose a loved one so deep inside we all KNOW it's wrong to do it to someone else

Theft implies ownership and again it is specific to taking something that does not belong to you.

Stealing from someone who stole from you is justified and killing someone who tries to kill you is justified.

The people of the world rely on subterfuge...not truth... it's like the package is what matters and not what lies within. We all know what we do, yet we create lies to justify it.

It's like shopping at Wallmart... you know that the company is racist, sexist and uses slave labor to bring the American public low prices, but you shop there anyway because you really don't care about anybody but yourself. You will make up a buch of lies to make yourself feel better but deep down you just don't care.

P.S. Shakespear was lying to himself as well.

You know how they say that you can't fold a piece of papermore than seven times? I wonder how many times we can split this hair?

my only answer to this is perhaps one cannot physically fold a piece of paper 7 times, BUT METAPHYSICALLY SPEAKING, we can comprehend the event being done.... it is possible and probable....

THERE FORE, OUR MINDS ARE DRAWN TO CONTEMPLATE....TO ATTEMPT TO COMPREHEND.....

basic metaphysics..........

just as there are laws on physics, chemistry,,{ BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THEIR APPLICATION AND LIMITS},, we can assert and attempt to assert meaning and comprehension....

perhaps we are lookign for a place where there are NO LAWS to be obeyed.... YET STRANGELY, we cannot find that within our own universe and planet..........

Whoa.... there be a lot of big words there. We are but simple pirates.

Sounds like something a friend of mine said... "All matter is simply a manifestiaion of our imagination."

To which I replied... "If all matter is imagined...what makes up our minds? Pun totaly intended."

Cmon peeps, simply believing that what you do is right... does not make it so. Theft, murder, etc. are wrong. Period.

No Catholic Pirates...?

Try the Knights of St. John/ Knights of Malta.

Grace O'Mally.

I imagine you could fine a few Catholics from the Spanish, French, and Portuguese who took up the sweet trade.

I imagine they all thought they were very good Catholics.

Well.... just like today. Many people claim to be religious but if you observe their actions you will find that they are not.

Remember that book...'The Five People You Will Meet In Heaven'.... you'll find it in the non-fiction section

No big deal but, the movie Rob Roy take place before the '45 and most of the men are wearing philabegs. Rob wears a kilt and a bratt slung over the shoulder for use in harsh weather and formal occasions. In my oppinion the Feileadh Mor isn't practical for everyday wear and work... even in the winter. I believe the Feileadh Mor had a specific function for use in travel and harsh weather.

They were a bunch of heathens, thieves and villians...

I really have to object here. Rejecting Judeo-Christian cosmology does not automatically make one a thief or, far less, a villain.

Those distinctions must be earned in their own right.

I totaly agree...I am technicaly a heathen... more specificaly an atheist... and I am a damn fine human being. If I do say so myslef. I never implied that being a heathen is synonymous with being a theif or a villian, although I'm sure that most thieves and villians did reject religion. It was more of a list of possibilities... not requirements. Didn't they say that Black Beard never acctualy killed anyone? Now that's an example of a thief who was not villainous.

You know how they say that you can't fold a piece of papermore than seven times? I wonder how many times we can split this hair?

hmmmm.... their culture was saturated with religion and superstition...and in their day, from our standpoint, we could call them one in the same from our understanding and changes from known psychology advances and knowldege of disease and anatomy and physiology......

they did nto think about God?

hmmm reconsider the black spot on page of holy writ........

and when they buried at sea?

read accounts of men at sea...logs, journals, accounts....

you certrainly dont haveto think about it...but they did...

Well.... you could use the word god if you don't mean that Character Jesus, but some sort of religion whether

it was superstition, voodoo etc... They sure weren't any sort of good Catholics. They were a bunch of heathens, thieves and villians... that's what a pirate is. If they said they were Catholic.... they sure as heck weren't practicing Catholics. Most of the things they did were hard wired traditions... whether they believed or not. How many kids who say the pledge of allegience really believe in God?

What happened was that we Northern Europeans were still living in caves and picking fleas out of our wives hair when most of the world was at the peak of civilization. when the Romans came to "give" us "civilization' we did everything in our power to keep it out.

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i think no matter what time of history you look at, superstitions come into play....

i think we need to understand what a superstition is...... the words definition....

in a peoples attempt to understand " action= consequence ", and in terms they could grasp intellectually, they found or thought they found a relationship between two events -- one event or cicumstance that caused the other... in a seeking to stop bad consequences, they said things like " you catch the cold tha causes your death if you go out in the rain without shoes on "........{ knowing nothing about germs , viruses, food storage, bacteria}

and as far as christianity, as a way of/type of/ kind of incorporating the culture of the people they sought to convert, has alot to do with things....... christmas was the conversion of the roman cultures feast of saturnalia ..{ if remember correctly}

the church/ catholics/ christians came into the culture they were trying to convert and knew that people held long established traditions..... and they sought to " redeem" "sanctify" the traditions....

you dont easily seperate peoples cultural traditions... you have to replace them......

just try replacing thanksgiving... christmas.... easter....

and even today we have some superstitions that simply no one nor any business approaches to try and change....

where i work, there is no operating room numbered 13......... no recovery room slot numbered 13.......

rooms where patients have shot themselves are CLOSED....{ good thing there aint that many!!}

ever known anyone who bought a particular brand of vehicle that simply performed horribly? how many people do you know would willingly choose to purcahse the same name or type of vehicle... is that called superstition or is that called reason/logic? expereince? inability to forgive or inability to comprehend? unable to let go of a grudge????.........

excellent topic..

excellent discussion...

Christians have an uncany knack at bringing "god" into any conversation even without a segway... you could be talking about cereal and they will say.. "You know why god likes cereal?"

Is their any historical record of Catholic pirates attacking only protestant ships? Or Vice versa... PIrates for Christ!! that would be awesome.

A pirate was a pirate... my point was that none of them were "good" by the standards of their time... or ours. We don't have a whole forum dedicated to some boring sailor on some random merchant ship. We remember them because they were "bad."

and yes.... HUNDAI purpously made bad cars to piss me off and I hate them to this day because of it.

hmmmm.... their culture was saturated with religion and superstition...and in their day, from our standpoint, we could call them one in the same from our understanding and changes from known psychology advances and knowldege of disease and anatomy and physiology......

they did nto think about God?

hmmm reconsider the black spot on page of holy writ........

and when they buried at sea?

read accounts of men at sea...logs, journals, accounts....

you certrainly dont haveto think about it...but they did...

Well.... you could use the word god if you don't mean that Character Jesus, but some sort of religion whether

it was superstition, voodoo etc... They sure weren't any sort of good Catholics. They were a bunch of heathens, thieves and villians... that's what a pirate is. If they said they were Catholic.... they sure as heck weren't practicing Catholics. Most of the things they did were hard wired traditions... whether they believed or not. How many kids who say the pledge of allegience really believe in God?

learning about history , for me only reinforces that i am sooooooooooooo grateful that God chose me to be born in the 2oth century............gratitude is what i get from reading about history..........

grateful that i can play pirate butdont really haveto live it...and teh cathoolic church was really funky back then....no thought what so ever about the LOVE God has for us...it was all servile master slave type of relationships except the saints..........no cognition about howmuch we are loved... i do wonder how many figured that out and had peace and loved God back instead of fearing to be sent straight to hell.........

lady constance

Well... I don't think pirates thought much about god... and if they did... they really didn't care

same here

but this really wasn't a topic on religion

They say that "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Funny thing is we here at the Pub learn so that we can repeat it

leave it to pirates to mess with the order of the universe

Yeah, but we only pretend to repeat it. If we really repeated it, we'd all be in jail - where our outfits probably would work against us. (So we actually have learned from history - in a way.)

If you were a good pirate you wouldn't end up in jail

They say that "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Funny thing is we here at the Pub learn so that we can repeat it

leave it to pirates to mess with the order of the universe

I hope to make her an entire period correct ensemble so I will be making her a linen shortgown/jacket to wear in the warmer months. When I do I will be sure make it longer and more full in the skirts....... thanks again

Liam,

you ought to be right proud!!

the pattern you made is awesome! and i hope you saved it---i hope your woman makes you an apple pie or some dessert that you love in appreciation!!!!!!!!!!{or whatever token of appreciation that shows you her gratitude!! }

i dont know what era you seek to re-enact, but artwork would support such a gown....1660's- 1690's country folk--

i shall look around in art books that i have to give you an artist and a title of such .. .. give me a few days

that being said, i do think if you saved your pattern, add anywhere between 3- 5 inches flaring it ever so slightly outwards athe hem-- flare it towards, and that it mimics and the same shape as the hips-- look up "peplum skirt shapes" and "tulip shape skirt" for an idea of what that means as far as line and shape....

google 18th century or even exact years of GaoP.... for womens gowns.... that will help you see the shapes that were common...

i think you should enjoy the baske of glow from your accomplishment--

the fabric choice is LOVELY and definitely historically accurate...

did you enjoy your endeavors into tailoring? i hope so because you did excellent work!

cant wait to see wht else you can do!!! and i would especially love to see your button choice!!

Peace,

lady constance

Thank you very kindly for your input... I have in fact only been tailoring for a year and a half but I have made so much clothing I have lost track. This shortgown is acctualy flared and split at the sides but you can't see it in these photos. I only added about 5 inches past the waist because I wanted it to be asimple but flatering shape which fits her curves nicely. I'm not going to add buttons as the research I have done, has led me to the conclusion that women's gowns rarely had buttons, but rather simple pins to close their garments.

To be sure... my lady rewards me every day with her presence alone.

Hmmm... I was under the impression that they called them shortgowns because they were shorter than a gown, and that they only called them jackets if worn by a man. That's what I thought but I'm sure that someone here will enlighten me with their knowledge.

I'm here to learn

Here are some pics of the new shortgown I made for my loverly lady. Used my own pattern.... is it too short?

Her grandmother got this material 27 years ago in Scotland.

Wonderful! So Lyrical....

Yeah but I belive the vocalist just thought he'd add those lyrics to show off his Gaelic hahaha

Interesting. The article leaves somethings to be desired though.

"Very little notation survives from these dynasties of players because complex instrumental music was transmitted orally."

Transcriber apparently confused oral with aural.

Also binary code is zeros and ones, not zeros ones and twos...

Then you should know what this means:

01010101000101001010101100101010111101

Check it out... you can listen to a clip of the music being played on a harp

maybe they wrote it as a lament for Mary Queen of Scots

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/tayside_and_central/8222727.stm

to kill a mocking bird.....

to kill the Butcher Cumberland...

no better way to die than at the hands of a well armed Scotsman

You mean the Burl Ives Frosty?

Heidi the swiss girl?

and Anne Frank?

They were all pretty cool

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While doing research at the library last week I came across this DVD set. I just finished watching it the other day and it was very entertaining. Kinda like a 17th century reality show, filled with crying drinking and drama. It reminded me of spending a week at rendezvous.

I will be there 19th - 27th with Iron Hand's Plunder. The swap sounds like a great idea.

Thank you kindly for the responses... I have ordered swatches from several of these sites, but there are a few here that I didn't know about. I am slowly learning the differences between all the fabrics.

I am in search of a good wool supplier

melton

broadcloth

flannel

if you know of any please let me know