Lily Alexander Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 hmmmmm, great question Captain. I just assumed they were both used. Looking at my ball gown again, there is no boning where the busc is. Why did I think it was boned????????? From the little bit of digging I just did, the early 17th century pair in the Waugh book on page 18 looks like it has a space in front that is not boned but shows there is a busc there. On the next page it talks about the busc being placed in between the linen and tied with lace. Often highly decorated, which could be removed and the lace worn by the gentlemen on their arm or hat. Presuming they had their lady's favor. :) I can't wait to hear what Rose has to say about this one. If you're gonna give me a headache, please bring me an aspirin! http://www.forttaylorpyrates.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Actress Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) Amazing work, Mistress Alexander! Lovely job indeed. Mother Rose has her hands full this weekend. She is...ahem...instructing a lovely young gal from the Mass. Bay settlement this weekend. Claims to be the Govern's daughter...of all things! Edited February 14, 2009 by Cheeky Actress Member of "The Forsaken" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) delete Edited February 16, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Alexander Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Appreciate you looking into this further Captain. Thanks Mistress McKinney. Well, I decided I'd like to try the cross boning at the bust so I'll go without the busc for this pair. I'd really like to see if it makes much of a difference. I'm moving pretty slow today so I haven't started a thing yet. Time to get in the shower and get my butt moving though. If you're gonna give me a headache, please bring me an aspirin! http://www.forttaylorpyrates.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyBarbossa Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Now.. Lily... did you do a first trial test cutout with cardboard or poster board? Or just with fabric? ~Lady B Tempt Fate! an' toss 't all t' Hell!" "I'm completely innocent of whatever crime I've committed." The one, the only,... the infamous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Alexander Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I just use fabric. The choice of cardboard, poster board or any other material anyone chooses is really a matter of person preference. Do what works well for you. There is more than one way to skin a cat and it's great that so many choices are available. If you're gonna give me a headache, please bring me an aspirin! http://www.forttaylorpyrates.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Those are fantastic looking!! We are working to make Salty a new set of stays using a busk. If we can we will photo the progress and post shots here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Alexander Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Oooo, do tell Callenish. I have a question regarding lacing. ok, so this has nothing to do with my current task at hand but I didn't want to forget. My preference is to lace top down, while I've noticed others prefer lacing bottom to top. Is there a benefit to one over the other or just a matter of personal preference? Enough random thoughts for today, on to the regularly scheduled program. If you're gonna give me a headache, please bring me an aspirin! http://www.forttaylorpyrates.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaraCorsets Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 If you have boned the front, I don't think ye need a busk... I always thought it was one or the other... Rose might want to jump in here.... Yeup.... the busk is usually placed center front in place of other bones when you want the front especailly rigid (like in formal stays). If the boning you have done works for you there is no need to add more. Not all stays had an actual busk. Many were all regular size bones, especially stays for a regular person's every day wear. Lara aka - Rose www.LaraCorsets.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I have also heard talk of two both starting at the center, one going up and one going down allowing for differing tension ...or at least that is what I think I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaraCorsets Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Oooo, do tell Callenish.I have a question regarding lacing. ok, so this has nothing to do with my current task at hand but I didn't want to forget. My preference is to lace top down, while I've noticed others prefer lacing bottom to top. Is there a benefit to one over the other or just a matter of personal preference? Enough random thoughts for today, on to the regularly scheduled program. On lacing... (again, keeping in mind that most all of my info is based on 18th century reasearch & stays I have studied & owned) I believe that most...(I want to say all but hate being so definate).... most stays were spiral laced with a single lace throughout the 18th century and a bit into the 19th cen. It is in the regency period where you see modern cross lacing come into use. So it would seem to me that since spiral lacing was in common use in the 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th centuries in the closures of most women's clothing that likely it was also how the earlier stays were laced as well. In spiral lacing it matters not which end you start or finish at. If the garment is cut to fit correctly then you have an even distance between the edges regardless of lacing direction or tension. Lara aka - Rose www.LaraCorsets.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Alexander Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yeup.... the busk is usually placed center front in place of other bones when you want the front especailly rigid (like in formal stays). If the boning you have done works for you there is no need to add more. Not all stays had an actual busk. Many were all regular size bones, especially stays for a regular person's every day wear. Thinking about it now, both does seem slightly redundant. Thank you for clarifying. If you're gonna give me a headache, please bring me an aspirin! http://www.forttaylorpyrates.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Alexander Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) On lacing... (again, keeping in mind that most all of my info is based on 18th century reasearch & stays I have studied & owned)I believe that most...(I want to say all but hate being so definate).... most stays were spiral laced with a single lace throughout the 18th century and a bit into the 19th cen. It is in the regency period where you see modern cross lacing come into use. So it would seem to me that since spiral lacing was in common use in the 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th centuries in the closures of most women's clothing that likely it was also how the earlier stays were laced as well. In spiral lacing it matters not which end you start or finish at. If the garment is cut to fit correctly then you have an even distance between the edges regardless of lacing direction or tension. Thank you. Edited February 14, 2009 by Haunting Lily If you're gonna give me a headache, please bring me an aspirin! http://www.forttaylorpyrates.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) delete Edited February 16, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Alexander Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I do??? Very glad to make your acquaintance Rose. If you're gonna give me a headache, please bring me an aspirin! http://www.forttaylorpyrates.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) delete Edited February 16, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Alexander Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Whew.......................thank goodness. If you're gonna give me a headache, please bring me an aspirin! http://www.forttaylorpyrates.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mother Rose Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 **finger to lips** shhh, don't worry, Rose can teach ye to fake it... *giggle* A pleasure to meet you Haunting Lily. and yes, if she's one of my girls I would have taught her everything. (I created a new account to officially be Mother Rose now...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) delete Edited February 16, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 John ...for someone who is suppose to be your closest friend ...you constantly suprise me with the relatives in your closet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Actress Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Yes, he indeed, that he can. Edited February 15, 2009 by Cheeky Actress Member of "The Forsaken" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Appears that the Capt.'s family tree is an entire bloody thicket!!!! QUITE A TANGLED MESS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) delete Edited February 16, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Quite honestly I doubt that John and Robbie are even blood cousins. That does not however make the ties any less tight. Edited February 15, 2009 by Silkie McDonough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) delete Edited February 16, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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