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Okay, I think I may have just lost the actor who was going down with us to play the bailiff at the trial at Hampton (Im understudying Capt Brand). Anybody with appropriate garb what's going down game to do this? Its only a couple of lines, but ya does gets to go to the period dinner on board a ship.

Z :)

life is good :)

Thanks ya Zorq, I may take ye up on that.

there wasn't a paper , just the book, but the inscription in the book were this:

"The Rear Admiral John Remey Wadleigh Memorial Prize--awarded to a student whose enthusiasm for and interest in Naval history is worthy of special recognition"

I wonder what aforementioned rear admiral would of thought ifn he knew the prize named fer him were given ta a pirate

Nonono lass, th TERM paper. Post thatun. :)

Do we still get to flog you?

We're proud of ye, lass.

Ye can ship with our crew anythime :)

hey, post the paper, we'd all love ta see it.

z

Yno , I really wonder how this would have run if the participants would've gotten their "characters" (lay preacher, indentured servant, etc) ahead of time and had time to research how that character mightv reacted to the situation, and if they'd created a 21st century space whre they could have communicated out of character on how to operate. :)

Actually, I ships my firelocks ahead of time to a local address via ups.

simple, insured, and they gets there.

Z :)

Watched the next two dismal installments of this thing last night. The "regime change" episode consisted of about 2 minutes of the 17th century and 40 minutes of soap opera. It wasnt until the company guy showed up and actually began DOING something like digging clams that the show had any content beyond that of "survivor"

I kept puzzling with meself about what was wrong. Why wasn't this working?

The it occurred to me:

Those of us who do reenactment create personas, characters who could logically have lived in the era, with backgrounds, personalities, and a history to match the histories we're living. Then we step outside those characters to discuss problems with adapting our skills, issues of history and interpersonal relationships, and how the characters get along.

But these guys are blatantly 21st century yuppies trying to live in the 17th century. They CANT fit in, and most of the show is soap opera bout how badly they feel about that, and one another. They CAN'T step aside from the reenactment. To them, its a real-life situation, happening in the 21st century, despite the mud and flies. It's something happening TO them, not something they're recreating, and while it may tell us something about how spoiled we are, it tells us little about living in 1628.

My tuppence, anyway......

I think me main objectiion to the pyraty coate thingie is natural selection:

Lets see, Caribbean tropics, 92 farenheit, 100% humidity, and Im wearing a long sleeve lined wool coat intended for Northern Europe?

Not bloody likely.

Paisloid:

We'll be at the Red Roof in hampton friday afternoon, and ye can certainly use our room ta robe.

Be wonderous ta be seein ya again lass

:)

CONGRATS, LAD!

I missed the post the first time......If ya need help cutting the gunports in the crib, just gimmee a call :)

Aye, just saw the film, and it indeedy seems to be a schiavona, or maybe a german hilt from the same line of swords (very late 1500s through the 17th cent.) Appropriate for eastern europe, the italians adopted the hilt from slovenian and bulgarian mercenaries, and from there the style apparently went to scotland by way of german swordsmiths. Its apparently the origin of the scots basket hilt.

I second the kudos. Saw the film today. The Waits song is great, Puss is hysterical, and the slaps at Dizzzney are...

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well.

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apt. Having worked in Hollyweird for many years the land of Far Far Away is a hoot, along with Angelyne like billboard for the fairy godmother.

:)

I must admit I was really anticipating this show..I mean c'mon it's the 17th century. I was however really disappointed in the cast, and the fact that it was puritan colony. If the year is 1620..Wasn't Cromwell in power already? Wasn't puritan rule in England absolute and the Royalist being thrown out? I am so tired of ever one pitying the poor puritan...ooo they were cast out due to their religous beliefs...Bull the bloody Roundheads were thrown out and their leaving was applauded because of their..uptightedness(?). For crying out loud they beheaded the king then seized all of the land, both in England and the colonies (for a great book read Dudley Pope's Buccaneer.)

all that aside, I am looking forward to more episodes....hopefully it will touch on some of the historical inconsistancies.

And it they are casting for a pirate reality series...I'm in...

Actually, nope, the English civil wars (all 3 of em) began in the 1640's.

What I find distasteful is the concept that a commercial colony would be run as a religious oligarchy. My suspicion of what I know of the smaller colonies, especially from those in Canada, was that "terrible accident" happened a lot to governors who got on the last nerve of the pioneers. That was an independant lot, and I can't frankly see them putting up with it. One reason a lot of the Puritan colonists "went native" was to get away from the likes of the Mather family (who, it should be noted, were one of the main reasons Ben Franklin had to skedaddle out of Boston, much to that city's loss.)

On the whole, Im mostly disappointed as to how little of the technology and methods of the era were explored in favor of a rerun of MTV reality soapopera in waistcoats...llll

[QI was also suppose to get some weld in order to make Saxon Green ((dye fabric first with weld then over dye with woad) but the weld was harvested while the herb garden curator was on vacation so I'm SOL. Anyone out there got weld?

M'wia,

Some varieties of broom will have about the same effect as weld on an overdye, or so I'm told.

Z

Events could be rapier duel, target shooting with flint locks. Competing big gun teams. The wet bodice contest and a contest to see who could drink the most rum without dieing!

Every try untying a wet bodice in a hurry? Now THERE's a competitive sport if there ever was one.

Its also why they invented cutting implements.....

:)

Who says it has to be on TV? If we do it well enough, we'll make the news!

In a bizarre 'life imitates art' incident, a Royal Navy vessel was boarded today by several dozen pirates armed with muskets and cutlasses...

Okay, I got it. We PRETEND to be setting up a historic recreation while actually creating our own pyrate fleet.

With the amount of money being thrown around at things like "Troy", it could be centuries before anybody knows they've been had.

I've got to agree with a lot of the other comments here: The producers do seem to have deliberately stacked the participants for conflict. Putting a fundamentalist minster of any stripe in charge of ANY diverse group is likely to be a receipe for rebellion.

It may make for great false drama, but it really gets in the way of both the experiment and revealing aspects of 17th century life.

They really don't think much of us out in TV land, do they.

Might make for a more colorful thanksgiving dinner

Here are some good period dye links..:

Elizabethan color

From "Recreating History"

Color names and materials

Mordants

hope this helps

:)

Just fer starters, there are a number of green dyes, startin with grass (no kidding). The two main blues were woad (NASTY freakin stuff, but yields a deep blue) and Indigo, which would be new to Europe in the 17th century. Indigo is a very fast dye, and there's a cool japanese rice-paste resist technique that works well for a kind of quick (and far less toxic) batik look. Reds you get from various berries (ill send the list shortly) and madder, which is probably the most permanent of the lot.

For yellows, I love using tumaric (yep, the spice) It would be exotic to Europe, so a novelty, and it's relatively long lasting.

One thing to note about even well mordented natural dyes is that they fade (at varying rates depending on the dye), but they're kind enough to fabrics by and large to allow for frequent redyeing.

more shortly.

Hey Red Maria, you have any good book sources on this?

Z

Ill be diggin some up for ye lad as soon as me SO makes it out here.

What colors would ye be interested in? I lives with a fibre artist.

Z

Aye, any faire that has to install water misters to keep the patrons from collapse is NOT repeat NOT renacting England in 1580. Maybe Morocco in 1580..

hmmm sale' rovers.....

hmmm :)

First two weekends in october, the Greylight Theatre Southern Illinois Renaissance faire goes up in Murphysboro. Marke yr calendars, because this time the second saturday is specific ta seafarein types..

Greylight Theatre Renfaire Site :)