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Well, I'd be interested, even if it is JUST by PM. I am trying to make some of my OWN flags, just for the fun and challenge of it. I want to try as many technique variations and designs as possible. I am JUST learning of PIP and have to see how this year goes. If it happens in the right way, I would be VERY interested in taking part (even if I cannot make it there in person).

Actually I'm afraid that any home distilling for human consumption is illegal in the United States.You can apply for a permit from the BATF for an experimental still for making fuel, but you'll have to promise not to drink any of it -CS Definatively stated: Cite source, statute please! Also, remember . . . Mash STINKS!!!!!!!! So, home distilling might not be the best idea. legal or not. I'll BUY my alcohol (I like the fact the FDA has to approve it as safe, esp. moonshine-> great , great uncle blinded by bad moonshine, NO KIDDING!!!!!)

Which ships were used in the filming of the "film"/"video" of Blackbeard:Terror of the Seas? At least on sloop and a 3 master. BUT, which ones? (In reality, NOT as named in the film)

Of course, writers could intend one date and the set decorator another, costumes, models, etc. yet another. My uncle works in films (director of photography), 2 cousins and brother went to film school, and all of us are movie nuts/nerds. So, I at least understand some about the film industry and the confusing of historical things. Accuracy is a usually VERY questionable, unless the producer/director/designers/all else work REAL HARD at acccuracy.

Wiki: Looks like 8-10 ft!

Just figured I'd ask. I am usually pretty good at figuring this out. I was confused, so I wasn't the only one. I was "informed" that it was supposed to take place in a certain range of years, but couldn't get anything to line up where it made any sense. The main "elements" seem to come from Morgan's buccaneers to the Nassau exiling period (wide in itself). It seems a more "Hollywood Chronology" (like some other "period" pieces, where people of different generations are shown as contemporary). Seems I was right and they were wrong!!!! I WIN!!! I WIN!!!! (Thanks for reactions!!!!!)

I was HOPING to use them as GAoP ships, but the hull shapes are limiting (If used as accurate). The "Constitution" one can either be done as a 2 masted or 3 (depending on how I rig it). The bottom is molded as copper plated, which I could sand smooth and (possibly) scribe as planks. Right now, I am looking for all I can on hull shapes in the 18th Century. If I recall correctly, the American frigates were basically a "scaled up" version of the hulls used for Rev. war privateers (schooners, if I remember correctly). I am not trying to make any real ship, just a period-looking one. This is intended to be more "fun" than "painstakingly perfect," BUT I want to be as accurate as possible (without going into any "extrodinairy efforts"). I questioned BECAUSE I saw the many very accurate planked models WITH the "expensive" white hulls. I am just trying to see my color pallet for any paint jobs. (plus, this thread may be helpful for other "virtual" ship creators and model makers here, as well as writers to know period ship colors) Thanks,

I can't seem to find the answer, so I'll have to start a thread to find out: What years is POTC supposed to take place in? Curse of the Black Pearl? Dead Man's Chest? (not long after CoBP, a year or 2?)

Is that box being sent to me? THANKS!!!!!! (now, for that raccoon!) (SLICE AND DICE) Random: I am becoming a branding expert. Has anyone noticed that all Blackbeard did was really self-branding! Though Foxe has found no proof of the Blackbeard horned atonomy Death flag, I find it hard to believe that Teach did NOT have SOME sort of unusual personal flag. I don't think he would have just used a flag that looked like a hundred or more contemporary pirates. Also, a similar flag (sans horns) is on record BEFORE the "Blackbeard" one, so it seems as least plausible to be that it could be similar to something he would have tried. Of course, I'll have to gladly confer and refer to those who have access and have read CONTEMPORARY PRIMARY SOURCES (as I have not).

OK, I am "converting" two plastic models into pirate ships/boats. One of them will be the Lindberg "Jolly Roger" into a sloop. The other will be the 1/96 scale Revell USS Constitution. BOTH will be made into 1/48 scale. I am trying to figure out the color schemes I plan to use. One issue I am unable to decipher: "Pirates and Patriots of the Revolution" by Keith Wilbur, p. 13: "Below the waterline, tallow was frequently in service. A formula of the times called for "paying" the bottom with one part tallow, one part brimstone, and three parts resin." He then writes about copper and how unlikely it would be for a privateer. SO, what color would that formula create: dark brown?, off white (as I have seen on a number of models)? something else? Ths most common colors seem to be: Black-> cheap as made from lamp deposits Yellow oxide Red oxide (barn red-> more brown then Coca-cola red) Sienna Some blues and greens (which were imported, so more expensive than the homegrown colors) White was NOT common, as Wilber says, "for it was expensive and dried an off-yellow tint." Any other ideas for colors? I plan to make the larger one into the "Thistle" pirate/privateer. The sloop I have not named yet (though I could just use Revenge, as that is THE MOST common pirate sloop name.

As there has been some discussion of flags, here is a bump from a year ago. Note-> color issues.

OK, I am "converting" two plastic models into pirate ships/boats. One of them will be the Lindberg "Jolly Roger" into a sloop. The other will be the 1/96 scale Revell USS Constitution. BOTH will be made into 1/48 scale. So, I need to figure out which (if any) of the kit cannons I can reuse. I need to know the length and diameter of different cannons in the 18th C. (I would LOVE it in feet, if possible, for ease of conversion to scale) I need: 8 pounders. 6 pounders 4 pounders Rail guns I have found MANY references to pounds, but not to lengths. Any help is GREATLY appreciated!!!

Reminds me of "Hello Poppen!" Question still stands: What years is POTC supposed to take place in? Here kitty, kitty! Here kitty, kitty! I have a "SURPRISE" for you!

Looking to either join a crew, or create one. So, is ANYONE near the upstate, South Carolina AT ALL??? There are many lakes that would be EXCELLENT hunting grounds (Hartwell and Greenwood are just BEGGING for some of us to show up!!!) Anyone out there, or do I need to plunder, pillage, and party all on my own?

Darn Spammers!!!! Let's strap them onto the mouth of the cannons and fire away!!!! (THAT would be FUN!!!!!)

EXCELLENT!!!!!! A BETTER sporran. I always wanted a racoon one. I'll pass on the cat and have a pirate racoon!!!!! YYYEEEEAAAHHHH!!!!!!! (Red Cat Jenny, this is all in jest, I hope you know)

I might have to try some of that too. How is it straight?

Cats make excellent sporrans!!! (my skunk might need a buddy!!!) The rest we can scatter, smother, cover, chunk, and dice (ala Waffle House). Cat, the other white meat! (Slice and Dice)

What kind? I just recently had some Cap. Morgan Private Stock (first decent rum I got hands on, usually ended up with Scotch). I LIKEY, LIKEY!!! I'll also be drinkin' Aqua Vitae (Water of Life-> Scotch). Queen Anna will have to take me home in Queen Anna's Revenge. Back to Random: Capt Jamie and Blood need to get together and join Sparrow. (yeh, I know they are separate periods-> Jamie is a Morgan bucaneer, Blood was 1687/8 and . . . uh, when id Sparrow supposed to be?????) (not so) Random thought 2: What is the supposed dates of POTC 1 and 2?

For future reference in any searches: http://pyracy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6889&hl= It was produced bt the BBC and aired on National Geographic as: Blackbeard: Terror at Sea

Why did it HAVE to come to MILK & COOKIES???????? OH THE HUMANITY!!!! (and I sometimes use that term loosly)

I am JUST reading this thread. I like the concept (and am already playing with one based on the tombstones on: http://www.capecodgravestones.com/styles.html The only issue from an artistic standpoint is the red hourglass on black looks very "black widow" to me, which could either be a good or bad thing. However, I think most visitors may think "blackwidow pirate" more than hourglass. Great artwork!!! (by the way)

I had been misinformed as to what "wool bunting" actually was (and never had the need/reason to look it up again). So, a wool bunting 1-2 ply would be best, with either a modern plain weave (or a light, loose weave cotton as a poorer substitute) as a visual substitute. They were also HUGE and I've seen listed as 20 by 30 as a "normal" large size with 3 by 5 as TINY in comparison. Also, more are squarer in shape than most would expect. (I have spent time looking up stuff in all sorts of books, and the web.) It also seems that stuff was painted on AND stuff was appliqued (patches sewn onto the main flag base. Sometimes, they were on one side and the main material was "cut out" underneath to make it 2 sided. Other times the patch was on both sides. The issue is weight vs. strength (you WANT light, but strong). I have NOT been able to find out about the paint actually used on historic flags (most citings just say "painted"). It seems like modern reproductions use artist paint (usually oil, but some use acrylic-> NOT historic, but looks good and easy to use) or enamel (I question if that would be too heavy or stiff, as all shirts I've gotten brushed model paint onto makes it REAL stiff). Anyone (like Foxe or GofF, for example) know more on both what paint types (and how different than modern paints) would be available aboard ship AND what would have been used on Landlubber bannners? This seems to ALWAYS be the hardest info for me to find or know anyone who knows about historic paints. ,

Since it come up . . . Caledonia-> the ROMAN name for the country From a southern (relatively) tribe called the Caledon that the Romans faced in battle (an who managed to keep the Romans at bay when Rome was seen as invincible. The OTHER group the Romans couldn't beat, the ones they called the Germani of Germania (named after the man now called "Herman the German," which is extremely redundant). The Germans called themselves the Deutch. What the celtic people themselves called what is now Scotland: ALBA (If watch Braveheart, which has a VERY large number of historical problems, the army says: "Alba Go Braugh") As for the Scot/Pict relations, the "traditional" view is that of either genocide or slavery. More recent scholarship argues that it was far more peaceful, citing the lack of pre-Viking wholesale slaughter evidence that would be involved with genocide. More likely it was by intermarriage and assimilation. One of the complexities is that culture often goes through maternal lines, yet the Pict culture is, for all intensive purposes, gone. Scholars have intense difficulty identifying ANY distinct Pictish culture (which leads to many, many anacronistic interpretations by ones who want to implant their own ideas, esp. about Druidism). One popular way to overcome this is to argue that all that is Scottich and not Irish, must be Pictish in origin. Among scholars of early Scottish history, the Scot-ization of Alba is one of the issues of HOT debate. I was hinting at it in my post by -"took"- without taking a whole aside to explain. But, since you brought it up . . . (Also, note my initial signature, "Kilted Pirate of the Caledonian Carolinas") Today, Scotland, Alba, and Caledonia are all used the Scots for their country. Some (a number of whom want to "stick it" to the English) also uses the French name "Ecosse." I think it is just good natured humor, for the most part. I use all 4, depending upon which best fits the situation. My favorite is Alba, as that is the most historic for what the peoples called it themselves. Random thought: In the ORGINAL "The Italian Job," WHY is the clearly Italian partner of Crocker called the very British name of Roger . . . and WHY does Crocker TALK to the film and get an appropriate answer? (Yes, I have opinions on all this, but am not sure if it was what was intended.)

Hi, My main interest (before spending to much time here) is Scottish history, with pirates as more of an interesting side. So, it seems most of ya'll have personas. I am beginning to feel like I need one now too. So here is the basic outline: Born 1695 in highlands of Scotland (location to be determined, possibly western isles or Argyle). Fought at 20 in Jacobite Rebellion of 1715 (still need to decide actual position, thinking-> made battle flags and served as color bearer and/or chaplain) After end, went to sea to avoid prosection as a rebel. Ended up in Charleston area, but HATED percieved English presence. Tried backcounty, but not to liking. SO, went to sea. Pressed into piracy (as flag/sailmaker/chaplain), but found to liking. Vision: Experinced tactician and moderate weapons (not expert) with a LOT of gall and deep hate for Hanover Government (and not a lot of respect for anything percieved as "English," though many friends and compatriots of English stock). Less experienced at sea, but wanting to learn EVERYTHING. Is experienced in stitching and some background in art and design (flag making). As for costume, mix of period highland wear (what already know) and sea wear. Maybe, tartan short coat and trousers/trews. I plan to mix with a belted plaid at times (own several and philabeg/early kilt), but not always nor when would be in the way. So what do ya think? (Yes, I am a BIG fan of Roberts, who probably influences my "vision" more than I would like to admit, though am trying to tone down)