Tartan Jack

Do you mean strictly historical/period correct? Or "plausible" historical-ish?

Thanks. For some reason, I was thinking the hanging was late 1722. (I misremembered Roberts as dying later than he did-> more like 1725 than Feb 1722. That had A LOT to do w/ my previous post on too early.) Late 1720 or early 1721 would be the correct timing if de Hurault was actually hung by Roberts. If he showed up back in France or elsewhere in 1722 or later, that would be quite interesting . . . Any more personal info, like a first name (at least)? (Everything I can find is in French, which I can't read.)

Quite funny . . . But probably not period correct . . .

for uniform colors and materials, look at THIS thread: http://pyracy.com/index.php?showtopic=10228

ahem... cough, cough, we shall sound like a couple of fops... Sound . . . Maybe. But won't look that way.

Thanks for posting that. We need to talk period fashions whenever we meet in person. Most of my research has been period sailors and Highlanders from the '15 and '45 Jacobite Rebellions. So, my background isn't in researching the upperclasses or better-off folks.

Sorry for the "fop" comment. I was thinking from a Scot highlander/lower class usage of the term for overdressed folks, even if not technically correct. (Period class-snobbery/warfare) It was used as a pejorative term, much like "monkey-suit" is today for suits (originally, that was a reference to tuxes, from trained monkey outfits seen in shows and vaudeville acts. They dressed up monkeys in tuxes as part of the acts). Men dressed for show, rather than work, were commonly termed "fop" in Highlander writings -where I've primarily seen the term in period contexts. That's what I was thinking above, not literally accurate for the "real" technical meaning of the term "fop." I apologize. Meaning of "fop:" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fop In reality, the outfit of a gentleman, not a fop. I could EASILY see someone make a copy or something based on that for am event! See the list of folks see dockside in my post above- several could have dressed that way.

Does anyone have or know the name of the man Roberts hung, who writers say was the governor of Marinique? It should be easy to find, but I've According to THESE lists: http://wapedia.mobi/en/Colonial_and_Departmental_Heads_of_Martinique http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Martinique.htm The only possibility would be de Hurault, 1717 to 1720. But, isn't 1720 too early? Are any of our French-speakers able to find out more info on who de Hurault was and if his term ended by his being hung, or by some other means? I've been wondering if it was oft cited fact or just period PR, from Roberts or his detractors . . .

In the period, what were the issues and sides taken by the Whig and Tory parties? What I've read on the 17-teens is VERY different from what I've read of the terms from the American Revolution just over 50 years later. Did the parties change in between or is the impression of one period or the other (incompatible) wrong? What made a Whig, a Whig? What made a Tory, a Tory?

So . . . It IS an 18th C. portable safe!

On cabin-boys, there were a mix of things. On merchants and private vessels, many were sons of sailors learning their future trade, crew member's sons (captains w/ their own son as a cabin boy), orphans or sons from poor families "hired out" by their legal guardians (child labor laws DID NOT exist, yet), and the like. Age varied and they got older on the voyage, which could last a long time- months to several years. I'd say 8-12 or 14 (just remembering off-my-head, so feel free to correct that), when they would "move on" to full crew members or up to be a lower officer. Merchants often used orphans from one of the many orphanages of the period. They either paid the orphanage for them as labor or outright "adopted" them. On naval vessels, lower ranking midshipmen were often from middle-class families and were expected to spend a career in the navy as officers. These are the boys seen in "Master and Commander."

The illustrations in that Osprey series (written by Konstam) is an odd mesh of images. That's one book from Osprey I'd NOT use as the basis for a historically accurate kit. MacBride is an illustrator, and a very good one, that used the guidance of the author-historian(s) to make his drawings. I'd not fault him for inaccuracies. As for what period-accurate garb is most appropriate . . . What exactly are you trying to portray? There were several accurate, but quite different, looks one would see around the docks in the period- some were sailors, business-men (bartering w/ the pirates), backers for privateers, beggars, craftsmen (oft w/ trade-specific items), typical sailors, officers, captains who weren't really qualified and were gentlemen-on-adventure, police, marines (and mercenary-marines hiring themselves out to ships and cargo vessels w/ valuable cargo), loved ones, various "support" industries, and so forth.

What are you interested in? Modern vision of a "classic" pirate? Classic pirate literature? Historical fiction (historically accurate fiction)? History books? Each piracy-genre has it's own "must reads." On of the best history books of recent years on the "classic" 17-teens pirates is Colin Woodward's "Republic of Pirates," which is an accurate tale of what really happened yet is quite engaging and readable for a non-historian/scholar. I'd recommend it for anyone interested in pirates, to at LEAST have a good idea of the reality that underlies and is constantly referenced in the better literature of all ages since. For classic films, I'd recommend these 5 as "musts:" (Heck, you'd "catch" references in Pirates of the Caribbean better once you've seen them) - Captain Blood - The Black Swan (my personal favorite) - The Black Pirate (Douglas Fairbanks, b/w and silent- but the first pirate mega-hit!) - The Crimson Pirate (a none-to-historically accurate comedy, but VERY enjoyable) - The Sea Hawks Those are THE biggest "classic" pirate films.

OK . . . What is THAT lid from? A 18th C. safe?

I'd like to nominate Michael Bagley, reenactor triumphant! (Someone else, or a few could write a detailed, formal nomination) I'm to unknown for such an honor.

If we could meet in Jacksonville sometimes . . . I'd be VERY interested!

That would be a GREAT suit for a fop. - Looks like something worn by a gentleman of the period. It doesn't look like the heals are red, so the wear must not have been in the royal court (at least they weren't not so and faked it . . . )

I'd LOVE those, but it is 550 miles away from . . .

Did you hear something? :ph34r:

The number-related ranking has nothing to do w/ quality, only quantity. The "Group" is where admin and moderator "rankings" show up. There is no quality-based ranking.

It's LA, according to the in-post description . . .

There a couple ship-themed ones in Atlanta called "Dante's Down the Hatch" http://www.dantesdownthehatch.com/

Welcome!

Anstis was one of Roberts' top underlings, along with William Moody. They left and went off together w/ part of RObert's crew on 2 vessels. Moody's was the Rising Sun and Anstis took a former Roberts flagship after Roberts "upgraded" to one he named "Royal Fortune." As there isn't a date listed to see if it was before or after Anstis and Roberts parted ways, the ID of which can't be known.

If your having problems w/ that, contact "BlackJohn" on here.