Tartan Jack

Yep. How's things?

So, . . . THAT is what happened to Henry Avery/Every! I guess Foxe needs to rework the end of his book on the guy. (Hehehehehehehe) And more to topic, Doctor Who has a weird hit-and-miss relation to actual history. Some is very, very good, while some is a sci-fi spin (understand in the nature of the show), while other is just inexplicably odd and strangely and needlessly bizarre (at least to someone who knows the actual history). Often all three happen in the same episode. The first 2 I have zero issue with, as that is the nature of the show. The last one perplexes and irks me. Always will. I DO like the openendedness of this episode's end. You don't know if they go and continue to do piracy or something else. It is left up to the mind of the audience.

Back to topic. I didn't realize there were issues w/ cross-state transportation of chickens. Learned something. Anyone have any documentary evidence of coups? I was also wondering when reading this thread if it would be one-hen-per or of they would have a group in a coup.

Sorry. Mea Culpa. This is twill.

Correction . . Robot Chicken.

Which one in that video is Foxe? I'm sure he's in there somewhere. Plus, they are using both "his" boats (one is actually his and one is under his care) . . . Anyone else we know in there too?

For those who don't know, this is one of the BEST events out there for accurate-pirates. I'm 450 miles/9 hours away and it's worth the drive and more.

I thought Easter Rising, but for some reason thunk it was after 1918 . . . Nope: http://www.easter1916.net/ (That has been the subject of numerous songs and a notable film or 2) I forgot it was in the midst of WWI fighting.

Dude. I can't see how there is a way 1916 could have reminded you of all that without help from Wiki unless you majored in early 20th c. history. While we're speaking of WWI cartoon dogs in aviator goggles and biplanes, let's not forget Muttley. I remembered most of it, then checked the dates on the rest (w/ Google) to be sure, mainly the time-zone change, elephant, and park service. I knew the shark attacks, pretty sure on Pancho Villa (knew was 1915 or 1916-before the Lusitania and US entering WWI), Cubs/Wrigley (after the Federal League folded in 1915 and BEFORE the 1917 Star-Spangled White Sox uniforms) Sykes-Picot (but had to look up the correct name), and Rasputin (1 year before the 1917 Russian Revolution and one of the timing sparks). All those were before the US got into WWI in 1917. The Berlin Olympic thing was actually an issue/reason/matter in them getting the 1936 Games, famous for Hitler's propaganda on the "new, enlightened Nazi Germany. I find the 1936 Berlin games particularly interesting and have a couple books on them. And, yes, I majored in History and had a professor who focused on Civil War-WW2 history, mostly early 20th C. Plus, I am a HUGE Baseball park fan, among many other things . . . Nerd-fight time . . . In a dogfight between Snoopy and Muttley, who has the edge? (Note the pun)

Speaking of WWI reenactment, there is some land out west (US) that would make a fabulous No-Man's Land. Some in North Georgia too.

WW1, primarily. Also, the famous Jersey shark attacks (that later inspired Jaws), the pursuit of Pancho Villa, The Cubs take over the park from the Chicago Whales and it gets renamed Wrigley Field, the Sykes-Picot agreement that shaped screwed up the middle east to this day, British adopt daylight savings (an invention of Benny Franklin), US National Park service is signed into law, Tennessee hung an elephant, some Russian nobles kill Rasputin (took a LOT of effort inc. poison, gunshots, and he finally drowned to die), and the Berlin olympics cancelled (caused a chip on the shoulder of German that affected the games 20 years latter in the same city) What are you thinking?

After all the discussion on here about Firefly/Serenity, I never bothered to actually watch it. LOVE IT!!!! Shoulda looked into it almost a decade ago. Now, I'm late to the party . . .

I'll be sure to bring a copy. As to topic: What about letting us in on your Jolly Roger info, Foxe? Or at least the ones of US who come? -The Southern Carolina Colonial, Tartan Jack

I AM going, some how, some way. (If anyone is willing to "help me out" w/ cheap sleeping room/floor, let me know-> I can afford the pay part above, but the present economy/job issue makes the hotel for just me too much. i'm pleading, I know-> but any it helps. I'll be there even if I sleep in my vehicle and shower at a truck stop . . .) I'll be calling tomorrow (Mon).

Now . . . About that book on Jolly Rogers . . .

Congrats! Bet it's a great read. Now . . . where to get a copy of the journal . . . Wonder if I can "borrow" it from my local college, long-term Being a pirate and all.

PM "Jolly Jack Tar" on here. He can help you w/ info on the Adventure. (Edit: he posted right above me . . . pays to READ the whole thread before posting. )

The one your probably thinking of is "The Pirate's House" http://www.thepirateshouse.com/ There are lots of rumors and stories about the place, but all post-dates the GAoP period. I've heard MANY argue it was period, but most of those don't even know what period the GAoP most famous pirate lived, or that most of the popularly famous activity was from a 5-8 year period in the later 17-teens. Meanwhile, Oglethrope didn't establish Savannah until the 1733. The present establishment claims to have been around since 1753 as a seaside inn, tavern, and eating establishment (all of which were oft interrelated for most of history-> "taverns" had rooms upstairs and served food as well as drink. Last I checked . . . 1753 is well after 1722 (death of Bart Roberts) . . . They tell you that the Pirate House is the oldest building in Savannah and haunted by numerous pirates including Captain Flint from Treasure Island. Actually, the oldest part of the place was a brick gardener's shed and Savannah was founded well after the GAoP. It is a nice place to eat but expensive. Yep.

The one your probably thinking of is "The Pirate's House" http://www.thepirateshouse.com/ There are lots of rumors and stories about the place, but all post-dates the GAoP period. I've heard MANY argue it was period, but most of those don't even know what period the GAoP most famous pirate lived, or that most of the popularly famous activity was from a 5-8 year period in the later 17-teens. Meanwhile, Oglethrope didn't establish Savannah until the 1733. The present establishment claims to have been around since 1753 as a seaside inn, tavern, and eating establishment (all of which were oft interrelated for most of history-> "taverns" had rooms upstairs and served food as well as drink. Last I checked . . . 1753 is well after 1722 (death of Bart Roberts) . . .

Now this has been revived . . . I'm more likely to think that they would rather PARODY a work song and laugh than take it seriously. Oh, and thanks for the book link. I vaguely remembered it, but not the title. Now I can get it.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Not in Captain Twill, but based on the claims of the seller accuracy is a relevant issue. They claim it is based on a sketch of Captain Morgan's purpose-built FLAGSHIP (see quoted section above) from 1669 and a participant in the Panama invasion/attack. Plus, that said ship was ACTUALLY NAMED "Black Pearl." Is that claim accurate? On that accuracy I hang trust in the seller as to the ship itself. If accurate, they honestly tried to recreate a real ship. If not, they are committing a fraud, intentionally malignant or not. They claim accuracy . . .

I wonder how it looks in person. Could be a great cruiser, might be more modern "pirate-like" fun than accurate. Still, could be VERY cool to own. The price drop also was another "off" thing. Still, for that price, one could get a VERY accurate sloop made to order. I'd rather have that if I had the money. This is designed for paid group cruises (cruise for hire stuff). For that purpose it is GREAT!!

I just found this thread . . . Michael has talked me into coming (assuming can talk my boss into letting me off on Friday- not easy anymore -to make the 500-ish mile drive). I'm in South Carolina (deep enough "South" for you?). If your coastal NC or so forth, we could meet in the Asheville or Western NC area and route across the Blue Ridge and other mountains to Columbus. (As is, I'm planning to cross from Asheville, accross the surface roads of Tennessee and Kentucky to Ohio.

While interesting, several things strike me as "off" . . . Mainly, the hull itself looks like a modern design "converted" to look "pirate-y" and it bears the ship name from a recent famous movie, while claiming to be a replica of one built by Henry Morgan in the mid/late 1660s. It just doesn't LOOK like a larger vessel of that period. Also, it is claimed to be his "flagship," while the built craft is only 2-masted, not 3 (so, not technically a ship by the terms of that period-> part of the definition "ship" was being 3-masted and square rigged). Here is the story on the sale sight itself: "A group of men wanted to build a copy of the famous "Black Pearl", not only as it used to look but also with the same materials and in the same place where this famous ship was built 338 years ago! The wood used included the Santa Maria wood for the frame and the Pine for the sheathing. The Black Pearl was constructed according to a primitive drawing by one of the sea robbers, who was sailing this ship. A lot of time was spent drawing and designing the ship, constructing and paying attention to all the details to preserve the original look of the vessel." And later: "Black Pearl "The ship of a famous sea robber" the Black Pearl Henry Morgan was born in Welse in 1635. A sailor and a soldier, who served under the British Crown, became one of the most famous sea robbers of all time. At first he was a slave on the Barbados, then he went to Port Royal where he bought a leadership of the ship called Ganymed. Later when he was under the Lord Christopher Myngse´s command he took part in a foray with his ship and connected two highly valuable points in the Caribbean Sea, Truhia and Grenada, to the British Crown. He received attention of generals, common sailors and soldiers and respect of all captains in the Caribbean Sea thanks to his skills, cleverness and brightness. Afterwards he gave rise to Liberty Brotherhood and finally also to his own republic of the sea robbers. In 1667 Henry Morgan decided to build pride of his fleet, the Black Pearl. It was his flag-ship, where he spent his all free time and from where he operated all of his robber's actions, legal sea fights under the British flag and even wild inordinate drunks. He could make the best of the hostility between the Spaniards and the British. As he still ploughed the sea between Jamaica and Panama, he decided to build his ship on the Honduras coast, i.e. approximately halfway to the present town of La Cieba. It was very close to his favorite Roatan Island, where he often anchored, rested with his crew and repaired ships damaged in fights. Since the island was surrounded with a coral cliff being highly dangerous for ships, any ship of his chasers did not risk getting to Morgan. At present his favorite place on the Roatan Island is called Port Royal like the famous pirate town in Jamaica. It lies on the east part of the island in the direction to the Honduras coast. The Black Pearl was floated in 1669. This ship took part in many fights and robberies; the biggest one was an invasion in Panama in 1671. One year later, Morgan was put in prison in England. He, however, proved his innocence in a plot and was finally promoted to a noble status in 1674. Later he returned to the Jamaica as its governor and the main judge. Henry Morgan died after long illness in England in 1688." I'll let some of the Morgan experts on this site comment on the possible validity of that story . . . (Morgan is one of the famous "pirates" that A LOT is known about and well documented. So, verification to possible is pretty straight forward.)