theM.A.dDogge

for the most part i agree wit ya Hawkins...(happy belated birthday...ya did just have a birthday right??).....and i by no means am suggesting a single standard.....for every group.....i still think that should be up to the host group of an event...because they will be ultimatley responsible for the event.....but that being said.... it is rather nice when two seperate groups can meet up and have a Brawl...we have done this in the wildwest events for years...because various groups have played together for years.... but we have yet to meet up with another group in the PYRATE realm....that was compatible enough...to engage...and are usually forced to "pair up" witin our own group to showcase fights....which our group has no problem doing because we each play several characters and can fit with any senario..... so...i think this forum should be....what types are out there???....and how do you teach your style....?? so other groups/indiividuals can pick a style or group that best fits their intentions.....

jess would be wearrin MY hat...hence me wearrin silkies to hide me acquired girly locks....damn Spike...had a bald spot when he was done....

actually i can see quite a few times where a master would fight a novice.....prettu much every time!!!!!...why would ya want to fight someone bvetter than you if it was to the death???or at least to the maim????.....pirates attackin atown...local miltia??.....novices......royal navy??....i would attack the town again...

who' is Art...and why does he want all the photos???

have a great uncle Bruce....given name...Bonnie Bruce Beach.....was told it was an old family name....!?!? got so much ribbin in the war that he legaly changed it to Bruce Bonnie....who knew...i might be royalty!?!?

who knew Dogges could read?? oi..i can spell too....up to FOUR LETTER words....

Tew Beach or not Tew Beach? ...that is the question...???

That was most kind. I'll stay my hand as well. 'Tis tempting to cut loose, though. yeah...but i'm thinkin them....

i think thats how i got that crink in me neck...

i think i actually read those books.... cool...would like to meet him...got a few questions maybe...he could have a firepot class...and we could all have firepots!?!?!?

soundslike ya saw some bad choreography....see...i'm all about character and intent.....the fights that bother me are the ones where ...well everyone seems to be a master swordsman!?!?...everyone?? how about a fight where everyone is dispatched in one blow!!....or chased off...one by accident?...trip and fell...etcetc..... now dont get me wrong...some choreography is pretty to watch...like dance....but tend to like better the ones that keep the cahracters skills in mind as well as the intention of the scene.... and stop fighting over your heads...damn i hate that.... oi callenish...i believe the hard fast rule is...once the cork is out...the weapons are put away.....

i got ruffles on my sleeves...but noones ever tryin to kiss me??....

*heh, heh, heh** Yer on! As a matter of fact, I'll race ye... see who can manage more buttons and ye can be sober! ...except fer that damnable 13th button....always need help wit dat one.....

but that again goes to the intention...of the fight.....was it to be life like?...look life like?...look like to olde masters goin at it?....a marine against a plow boy? now what dear Hawkins here is sayin...is that his intention...is to FEEL like its real....so they all agree on a few points and parries...for their saftey...and go at each other.... others....may try and LOOK real...so they choreograph each move first...for their saftey..... still others treet it very much like a dance....and so it looks like it...very beutiful....in fact many scottish dances derived from after sword battles...like the sword dance.... so again...its the intention of the group. now...if ya want to talk how to make it LOOK real...or at least...realistic...kinda...i gots some ideas.....

True, its a philosophical difference. My thought is that two opponents who have never met or fought would be somewhat hesitant and feel each other out. So a slower starting fight, with a few false starts, is normally what we see. I've been in fights where we have circled each other, feinted and psyched at each other for over five minutes before the blades even met. It is, as I said, dependant on what you are looking for. Since we see this more as a form of martial art, rather than a play for the public, we are more interested in the fight itself, rather than the oohs and ahhs of the crowd. Hawkyns thanks guys for proving my point....ya meant to do that didnt ya....we have very similar weapons...very moves...(most are actually baised in historical parries)....with DIFFERENT INTENTIONS.....therefore a very different ending so....in summary...thoise groups with similar intentions to their fights.(orschools of thought)..could reasonably come to an accord with smilar techniques...and the end result with a reasonably safe fights..... those with dis-similar intentions....woe be ware...someone will git hurt. so...that being said....i would still like to hear about the varrying stles those of other groups have adopted...and why....i love intentions.

yesyesyes....so your suggesting that a few groups study the same style(lets say tap).....while other groups perfer...lets say ballet or jazz....not that any one style is better...just some are easier for saftey concerns to appeal to the beginer or novice....let the tappers play....then again...the difficulty will be to decide on ONE STYLE...should it be jazz...tap...ballet??.....to use your analogies....there are several(meanning i cant count that hight) different syles from hoakie to actual combat...with very good reasons to do eachone..... being the fight master (or captain of the marines) for our group...and knowing our group and our groups intentions and goals...some of the other styles just simply wouldnt work for us.....as well as our style would not work for other groups for the same reasons.... so....tho i agree that some goups can agree upon a set standard of moves to engage each other...in a controlled environment.....i do not seein a universal standard being used to my likeing...other than severely limitting what can be done..... for example...there are a couple of scottish battles every year....and the scotts are well known for their swords....so....they let them carry balsa wood and plastic baskit hilts....that broke before you could take the feild.....a lot of time in the historical clothing was thawarted once your seen brandishing a balsa wood sword......but that was the only way they could make it safe for several froups of re-encctors to play..... so...i am all for dicussin this in detail with dead-eye and other groups....i know blackbeards group play very similar....and others....who would like to play with each other....but only if the intentions are the same.

found mine today...thanks for the great shots!!

now cant name the poor boy Jr or nuthin either.....you would think that a simple name like Clint would be easy enough....nope. my wifes family back in macedonia has taken great effort in creating a complete refference book with all the geanealogy lines from all the founding families in the original village.....all the coplete descendents and all....huge book.... first off.....macedonians and greeks cant pronounce "ch"...its not in their vocabulary...its always pronounced "tch"....so my name....Beach becomes Bitch.....our priest had to practice my name for 2 days!!!! and my fist name...."nt" is also not a regular combination....they uasully just leave out either the "t" or the "n" depending on the word.....and they forgot it in my name too.... soooo..... 150,000 copies went out...to all the families from the village...to libraries...and the macedonian cultural board.....when yo look up my wifes family....she is married toooooo: "Clit Bitch"...... so ....a.....no....i will not be naming my son after me.....

you mean.....Dick Beach...!?!? i'm not sure your helpin.....

all ready got a Sandy Beach in the Family....was Sandra Bacon....and a cousin nicknamed Pebbles....and a nephew named Dusty....

ok...my son is due in April...and been having a devil of a time picking a name.... if we name the poor boy after our Dads...its either ...Billie Methodia Beach.....oooffff or to use their middle names.....George Micheal.... ...every time the poor kid would fall...WHAM!.... so we made the list...her favorite names...my favorite names..... only one name was on both lists..... Gabriel.....ok...like this name Gabriel..... Gabriel Beach likre it.... Gabriel...... Gabe..... then we heard it said OUT LOUD!!! GABE BEACH....... it officially been taken off the list. lookin for suggestions.... she allready nixed the goods ones..... Miami....Daytona....Private or Public.....Nude Beach so....the crewe gotany suggestions????

the reason their are so mant differnt ways to teach ..."stage combat"...is becuase their are so mant different reasons...or intentions to fight..... for example....if a choeographed fight sequence...is meant to highlight the historical accuratnence of whatreally happend...or a dance group means to shoe the fluidity of a style...or a comedic recital intends to show th comic view of fighting...well...you have diferent reasons to choreograph...and different things to highlight....some may be more dance related...hjece the highlight on footeowork...then others.... ok....enugh tyopigng...heading to bedbefore io pass out... HAPPY NEW YEAR>>>AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT....

if this was sport fencing...or contact swordplay...as in a competion...or sca...i would agree with ya both.... bu then we would be using masks,vests gloves and a myriad of saftey equipment.... but in stage combat....where the look of a real fight is the goal....we dont wear the masks, or helms, or vest...you could virtualy fight nekid......for we have what is known ...or at least i call it...the AURA OF SAFTEY...... it is a distance from the opponent....that YOUR sword never violates...ever....thats the target zone....once proficient....you can go thru all the strikes....with your opponents arms at his side...eyes closed....and neverNEVER hit him.....never violate the AURA OF SAFTEY...period....(less of course choreographed in for a kill scenes) when we block/parry....the opponent meets your strike....just outside the AURA..or target zone.....thats where the swords meet...clank...etc if a parry is dropped...or late...or your opponennt trips over his sword....and isnt there to stop your blade swinging at his head...its ok...your allready goinna stop before his....AURA or TARGET ZONE...just outside his noggin..... this is our saftey...our ONLY TRUE SAFTEY....thats why ...before anything else...the target zones are learned and practised...before you jumble their heads with anything else...then we may proceed with the feet....style...choreographs etcetc.....

for the most part...i agree...but...for the stage....a grand fight can be had with out ever movin your feet...the most important part of the stage sword...is hitting our zone consistantly....without that base to build on...you never need to move your feet. and footework for each style is different....rapier vs braodsword vs pole arm vs long knife.....all have different footework and body posturing....but the target zones...the target zones are all the same.... so if one lerans the target zones first..blocks then strikes....then the added footework for each style can be focused on with the target zones allready in place.... for it is our target zones...that auraua of saftey...that keeps us safe... before one can run with scissors...one must first learn to stand with one..... tho i do agree with while learning a new ..."part"...the sharpies go on the floor...hands free....then add the swords again....like building blocks