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Just a second note: one of the pages you showed said that Del. and NJ didn't have a state Navy, but NJ had a whole lot of Privateers and Privateers are just Pirates with papers This book, about NJ, "A Nest of Rebel Pirates", by Franklin W. Kemp contains 208 pages including many illustrations. This is a detailed history and contains researched data concerning two Revolutionary War encounters between an 8 ship British Fleet and local Privateers. "The Little Egg Harbor Expedition of 1778" was the British title for these incidents

Sounds like a good one to look through, checked an my local library does not have one, but the Morris County Library in Morristown does as do many of the other towns in and arround this part of NJ. Thanks for pointing it out.

Some more press related stuff I found, namely two books that tell how to make a wooden printing press, The information was originaly found on Stefan’s Florilegium an SCA site and then for the second book I found more information by googleing the title http://www.florilegium.org/files/SCRIBAL-A...inting-msg.html "There is one other book that meets the criteria: Elizabeth Harris and Clinton Sisson, _The Common Press_, Boston; David R. Godine Pubisher. 1978. ISBN 0-87923-211-0. Wonderful book; it includes a cutting list, plans, instructions, and even occasional illustrations on how to make things like the spindle....The book's centered around a Common Press of the type Ben Franklin" AND The McClure Press: plans for reconstructing the 15th century printing press of Johann Gutenberg Here is a List of copies available in librarys http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/top3...b4da09e526.html

This site has a picture of Benjamin Franklin Printing Press, http://pressproject.mtsu.edu/journal/journ...al01/index.html ""FRANKLIN'S PRESS--pictured here in a nineteenth-century photograph--was probably built in the late 1600s or early 1700s. But its basic design and mechanical principles reflect a technology that had changed very little in the 250 years since Johannes Gutenberg had first constructed a wooden press to print from movable type.""

I think you are thinking of something later.... such as the Lightning-type closure found on Grolsch beer bottles even today. ""Dating notes: In general, Lightning-type closures were popular on soda and beer bottles between the late 1870s to at least National Prohibition in 1920. After that time use was limited on beverage bottles; the crown cap dominated by then. The peak of use on soda bottles was the mid-1870s to early 1890s though some use was made at least until 1911 (Elliott & Gould 1988). For beer bottles, where this closure was as dominant as the Hutchinson closure was for soda bottles, the peak use period was wider than for sodas - about 1880 to the early 1910s"" http://www.sha.org/bottle/closures.htm#Cork except for certain pewter screw tops that were in existance in the GAOP, wired cork (like champaign), tied cork, or just pressed in cork were the most common form from 1600 on to my understanding. Cork retainers (a early form that likely led to the Lightning type stopper) were patented in the mid to late 1800's (19th Cent.) So I would say that most metal, spring loaded type of closure systems are definitly out of period.

But also remember that for a particular date or period portrayed, it is just necessary to not have anything from a later date, since things were used and reused until they were for the most part, broken. Our Ancestors were way ahead of us as to 'recycling' and not much went to waste. Bottle style charts are sort of a guideline if you will :angry: and though a NEW style could come about in a single year and change the next, still there were at the same time people making bottles the same way they had for the last 50 years. I think the best use for the charts is to see if something can be used to relativly protray a particular period. (I for one am ok if the bottle shows mold marks, even if the original was free blown as long as the shape is in keeping with the period) Otherwise we might bring it all to an almost unobtainable requirement of using only true antique pieces, which in truth, being often marked with the ravages of ages passing, would truely not be recognized in period. After all, a whole bunch of stuff we think of as being period, we think of as 'old', and when it was in period, much of it was the new thing on the block, the very height of advancing technology. But I am all for being as true to history, as my poor sailors purse can muster.

Maybe the name Ichabod Crane was from a fellow from Staten Island, but the real 'school teacher' who Ichabod Crane was patterned after was a fellow that Washington Irving knew, named Jesse Merwin who was the school teacher in Kinderhook NY. see link below. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichabod_Crane I went to High School at the Ichabod Crane Central School High School, our school symbol and mascot was a depiction of the Headless Horseman and our teams were know as 'the rider's' If you really want to see 'a sleepy hollow' check out Kinderhook NY, it still is.

The one I saw on the guy, was the "shipping Up to Boston (zip) hoodie, it has two different sides, if you click on the picture, it will show you both sides. The back side shows a skeleton pirate at the bottom holding a wooden leg. The Song 'shippin up to Boston' (not many lyrics ) tells of a sailor who lost his leg.

I was paying my cable modem bill today and saw a really nice 'pirate' like sweatshirt on a fellow in front of me, but didn't recognize the connection. Engaged the bloke in conversation, just in case he was a Pyratical type, and found out that it was a "punk rock" connection for him. The band was the Dropkick Murphys, which I found was mentioned in the Sea Shanty section of the pub. Googled the said band and found they have a lot of 'pirate' related prints on T-shirts and sweatshirts at their Merch site. Dropkick Murphys Merchandise store Listened to 'Shippin up to Boston' the song the sweatshirt I saw featured on the net. a little bit out of my usual listening zone, but like the artwork.

Cold wet rain here in the Northeast today, some ice on the trees, so I made a big pot of vension chilli. A little tabasco, some grated chedder cheese and it's just the thing to warm you up. Coarse ground Venison (about 3 lbs) browned in olive oil tablespoon of cumin, 2 of ground red pepper two cans of mexican chilli beans One can of whole plum tomatos, coarse chopped One package of diced onions and peppers Simmered in an oven proof pot in a 250 degree oven for 4 hours. Besides being good eats, it makes the house smell nice too.

QAR Arms - Grenades http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/QAR/artifacts/arms.htm Picture and description of a Grenade from the QAR, also two grenades - related picture. From these pictures it seems that the grenade had a raised cast lip where the fuze went into it. this makes sense, since the word Grenade is from the word for Pomegranate, and a pomegranate has a raised area, like a fuze bump. I would guess that yes, anything could be used and I have seen reports that besides iron, period grenades could be made from glass, and ceramic (fired clay) There was also incendiary and stink grenades. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck........ Just as all pirates are not cut from the same cloth, but show a great deal of variation, so I would guess it would be with grenades. Same for Fuze.

Check the post in Capt. Twill "tattoos (Pages 1 2 3 ...10 )" began back in July 2007 General understanding is that Tattoos were not very common if found at all among sailors or pirates in the Western World (Europe - the Americas) in the period of the GAOP or for the most part of the 18th cent. From one of the posts (mine ) back then... "In the late 1700s, Captain Cook made several trips to the South Pacific. The people of London welcomed his stories and were anxious to see the art and artifacts he brought back. Returning form one of this trips, he brought a heavily tattooed Polynesian named Omai. He was a sensation in London. Soon, the upper- class were getting small tattoos in discreet places. For a short time tattooing became a fad." So late 1700's, colonial period, you might have seen pirate ink, but for most of the GAOP it was rare.

On the side of wooden hoops aboard ship, I present the following from the Vasa ( a little bit before the GAOP - sank on maiden voyage 1628) from the site http://www.abc.se/~m10354/publ/vasa.htm#Addendum%20B Site mentions that beer barrels still containing fluid were brought up in 1959, though not identified on the site as to what the barrels held, or if these were beer barrels or some other barrel, the following picture is posted on the site in reference to conserving smaller artifacts. http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/li...Vasabarrels.jpg

I was feeling a bit pre 1687 tonight, so since prior to that year the Royal Navy gave it's sailors Brandy rather than Rum, I decided to go with a glass of Brandy tonight.

http://www.infomotions.com/etexts/gutenber...t03/mf05v10.htm THE MAY-FLOWER AND HER LOG July 15, 1620--May 6, 1621 Chiefly from Original Sources By AZEL AMES, M.D. Member of Pilgrim Society, etc. BOOK 5.CHAPTER VII QUARTERS, COOKING, PROVISIONS "Winslow, in the letter cited, urges that "your casks for beer . . . be iron bound, at least for the first [end] tyre" [hoop]." So as previously mentioned in the earlier part of this thread, under GAOP encampment, wooden hoops were found along with iron, iron perfered at the very least on the ends. (even as early as the mayflower) But from what I found in regard to the QAR, full sets of iron hoops were found on the wreck site, suggesting that if possible, for sea service, iron hoops were prefered. many of the pictures of barrels submitted with apparent wooden hoops are it seems in use on shore, could it be possible that for the difficult needs of being aboard ship, that iron was the prefered hoop, and thus in a camp made of a ships company, might not iron as well as wood hoops been found? Still have not got a good handle on the 'size' of the hoops found in sets on the QAR, so the question still stands if hoops on smaller casks were of iron or wood, or a combination of the two. I continue the search.......

http://www.qaronline.org/map.swf site two for evidence of iron hoops. Queen Ann's Revenge Shipwreck - bow section "Over a dozen sets of iron cask hoops and numerous pieces have been found."

Patrick Hand suggested: "Hey... A GAoP Encampment, or did barrels have wood or metal hoops..... new thread time......" So here it is, a thread to explore the evidence of when barrels aboard ships might have been held together by metal hoops. I start with evidence I ran across at the following site http://www.melfisher.org/interimreport1.pdf The 'St. John's Bahamas Shipwreck Project' Excavation shows remains of iron barrel hoops. From page 32 of the Pdf file..... "Barrel Hoops, Fragments of iron bands or hoops are all that have survived from wooden casks or barrels. No intact examples have been encountered. They are ca. 26mm wide, but no work has been done to determine their diameters or the number that might be represented. The barrels would most likely have been used to store a supply of fresh water and other provisions for the voyage." From the conclusions regarding the age of the wreck the following was written. "From the coins, it is certain that this ship sailed sometime after 1554 but not likely that it was wrecked with a period much beyond that. Artifacts such as...... saw their greatest popularity in the first half of the 16th century. With such a large number o fearlier period artifacts, it seems unlikely that in the final analysis this ship will be found to have been operating beyond ca 1575" I therefore submit, that if iron cask hoops were used that early, that certainly they would be found aboard ships of the GAOP.

http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/QAR/techSeri...QAR-B-07-03.pdf this article mentions both the Queen Ann's Revenge and the Whydah. It refers to three brick/tile pieces recovered from the QAR A line drawing of what the Brick Galley Stove might have looked like is provided.

I was looking through a National Geographic magazine (May 2007) and saw something interesting in an article Jamestown (Jamestown - The real story). On page 60, a silver embossing seal caught my eye. It depicts a Skeleton holding an arrow in one hand and an hourglass in the other. I went to the Jamestown web site and finally found it on one of their "Where are we digging now" pages. http://www.historicjamestowne.org/the_dig/..._2005_11_29.php next to a picture of the seal it mentions, ""This is typical 16th and 17th-century imagery representing the passing of time and the shortness of life."" I had always connected skull and crossbones, skeletons, etc. with Pirates. Dead men tell no tales and all that stuff, but it seems that all parts of society were somewhat preoccupied with thoughts of death back in those days. Jamestown is a bit before GAOP, but there are a lot of nice pieces showing up in their digs that relate to our period.

""I prefer the pirates' day... wake up with a hangover... get drunk... fall asleep... wake up with a hangover... get drunk... &c"" BlackJohn is not so far off of what a sailor's life was like, as far as being drunk, a pint of rum a day, would at least give you a good buzz. So I would guess that they would not pass a breathalizer test. They were all likly 'SUI' (Sailoring under the Influence) Information on drinking in the Royal Navy 1680-1740 http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=118937 ""When Jamaica was annexed (or conquered, or borrowed, whatever Brittania used to do when she ruled the waves) in 1687, the Royal Navy replaced the brandy that it had offered to its sailors on a daily basis for centuries with rum. The ration was one pint for men and a half pint for boys (hence the term) daily. One suspects that alcohol was the only thing that really kept the men and boys going during those three year cruises of which the Admiralty was so fond. (Let's not go there.) Goode olde Admiral Vernon, in an effort to dilute the rampant alcoholism that pervaded Britain's proud force for a couple of hundred years, started mixing the rum with water as early as 1740. The one pint (or half pint) ration was not decreased, merely diluted. Sailors received two pints of grog (half water, half rum), served at noon and six P.M. This is, I believe, an early and sterling example of military intelligence. Sailors (and boys) who drank too much were "groggy." For all sorts of unusual adventures involving boys and men at sea with booze and gunpowder, refer to the exquisite seafaring novels of author Patrick O'Brian.""

ahh, Jamaica Rose comes through again Thanks. I too hope to get there soon after it opens, might not make that first Saturday, but hopefully that next week. With the traveling exhibit, I wonder what they still have at the museum up on the cape?

Boy was I glad to see that this was a post about Women's shoes !!! On the main forum page, this is what I saw..... Jan 23 2008, 02:36 PM In: Where does one find Women... By: withoutaname With the only part of the title showing, "Where does one find Women..." I was not sure where this might be going. But if it is a Ball or dancing shoe that is being looked for, for some reason, I was always under the impression that for Fancy events like a ball, something called 'dance slippers' were worn, even sometimes by men. But then, I am not sure on the period, but I believe that they were worn sometimes in Colonial days, such as at the Governor's ball at Colonial Williamsburg.

Rum, neat. (Captain Morgan - Private Stock) too cold out here in the Northeast for anything that will freeze.

I vote for "Mercury poisoning " from a page on Blackbeard; http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/pirates/whosbb.html ""It is also claimed that at one time he kept eleven of the most prominent citizens of Charleston as hostage for several days until the city finally paid his ransom demand. His demand? It was a demand for medicine and nothing more. It seems pirates tend to die faster from VD than fighting."" I think I have seen that account mentioned a number of times in productions covering Blackbeard. So I would guess Pirates were concerned with their health as much as any sailor might be. I think ye be a little bit hard on Mission, he is more than likely at the top 10% of those who would pass for 'surgeon' aboard most vessels of the time.

"The Pirate Code" a National Geographic Channel two hour documentary on the 'Whydah' airs tonight at 8:00 pm EST. "Salvage expert Barry Clifford attempts to recover the treasures of Black Sam Bellamy's flagship, the Whydah, the first authenticated pirate ship in U.S. waters." I plan to watch it, and hope others can also see it and comment about the content, insights, etc. gleaned from the production. Also, if you know what the 're-broadcast' schedule might be, please post that too, for those who might miss it the first time.