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Michaelsbagley wrote "In other news I was talking to someone today who has some inside knowledge, and the word is, the next stop for the exhibit is Philadelphia, so anyone interested from Eastern PA and the nearby surrounding areas around Philly will get their turn to see the exhibit in the upcoming months!" Any more news on this? It closed in Cincy 2 weeks ago and yet checking the internet site, it is as if the exhibit was still open there. If it is going to open in Philly, I can get there from northern NJ in roughly 2 hours. Would be nice if they would get their web page updated. I would like to see it if possible.

Whydah National Geographic show to air Monday night 8:00 pm January 21, 2008 here in the USA Just read about it on NQG - Mid-January Pirate Update: Thanks Jamaica Rose "THE PIRATE CODE - STORY OF THE WHYDAH ON NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC CHANNEL *********************************** The Pirate Code [TV-G Ratings N/A] Monday, January 21, 2008, at 08P EST (repeats at 11P) With little direction aside from a survivors testimony and a cryptic clue, salvage expert Barry Clifford embarks on the search of a lifetime to uncover the near 300 year old wreck site of the Whydah Galley and its four and a half tons of treasure in The Pirate Code. The special brings to life Black Sam Bellamy - a legend during the Golden Age of Piracy and follows one mans quest to resurrect Black Sam's ship from its watery grave." Double checked on Nat. Geo. Ch. and there is a small promotional video on the upcoming show. http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/chan...?title=05015_00

Pirates, Buccaneers & Privateers - An English Graphical Bibliography http://www.larryvoyer.com/Piratical/pirate...ges/pirates.htm Ran (stumbled rather) across this site while looking up a book on Pirates. If you like reaing about Pirates or want to do some research, there is a lot here. If it is pirate related, it may well be found listed on this site.

Mcdrago wrote: "My favorite though is Burt Lancaster in "The Crimson Pirate". They were the first to use the "lets hide under the dingy and walk into the sea" routine. Stolen by some pirates of course, for some silly new movie with Cap'n Jack somethig or other. Of course, I be datin' meself by tellin' that story eh mates?" Arrrrr, I must have watched "The Crimson Pirate" over a hundred times, it was on 'the million dollar movie" over and over and over again on channel 11 out of NYC back when I was little more than a powder monkey. Aye, Mr. Bellows... it be right proper that these new upstart movies pay homage to the old ones. Also note that Mythbusters busted the underwater walking boat thing, but it still is a great stunt. But the movie "The Crimson Pirate" and the book "Sinbad's Book of Pirates" by Capt. A. E. Dingle, London, George G. Harrap & Co. Ltd 1935 were my beginnings in the wonderful world of all things Pirate. For more books on Pirates check out this site: http://www.larryvoyer.com/Piratical/pirate...ges/pirates.htm

""That's a weed isn't it? Bamboo. At least it is in our yard. Can't keep the stuff from breeding like cockroaches over here. Plant one stalk and hundred grow in no time. Good stuff it is."" -- Hurricane Yeah, it is a little intrusive, even here in NJ Technically it is classified as a 'grass'. It is really taking off in the market place too, I am seeing all sorts of things made of bamboo, picked up a cutting board made of it for my son for Christmas and also know that flooring is being made of bamboo also. It has come a long way from being a cheap fishing pole.

Other notes, blade is stamped "made in china" but it seems rather nice, very sharp, thickness is 3/16" at the blade back and the D-handle is held on with three philip's head bolts with recessed nuts instead of rivits, so getting the rubber handle off the tang should not be a problem. Anyway, I know it is not a 'real' sword or hanger, but were not the swords of the first Buccaneers, their long butchering knives? which could have been an early form of a machete? Anyway, I saw it there at Cabela's and it didn't have a price, when I found a employee to ask, and he looked it up and told me $24, I got two

I was at Cabela's ( a hunting, fishing and outdoor gear store here in the USA) and found a new machete. It is 28" overall, with a 21 5/8" 420 stainless blade. It was $24. It has a 'saw back' but that could be cut out with a dremel abrasive wheel I think. Just wondering if it might not make a nice, 'cheap' hanger. At the very least, I can engage trees and brush in boarding actions out in the woods.

uhhh, where might this be? and what part of the year does it take place in. A search led me to many pictures but precious little information. One set of pictures seemed to suggest that it was a weekly thing. Looked good, nice historical looking location, but I be somewhat lost on where to chart a course.

Just wondering why no one uses Bamboo for the ridge pole of their tent? I think Bamboo is found native in the south, so it would have been available for use. The Journal of William Dampier", was supposedly found stashed in a hollow bamboo tube. Years ago to make a pavilion for a town festival food booth, I used a long rug bamboo rod for the ridge pole and a poly tarp for the canvas, I think I was spanning 12 feet. It worked great, and it was a lot lighter than a wooden ridge pole. I would think that Bamboo would also be more aesthetic than 2x4's and would lend itself to sectioning a lot better (use a dowel epoxied into one end and on the socket of the other section reinforce it with expoxied wire wrapping that would then be covered up with rope wrapping.) Another thing that I would find interesting for a temporary camp tent would be the use of oars for the cross legs. I missed out on salvage of a whole bunch of wooden oars a number of years ago, would have been the ideal thing to give the tentage that nautical look.

"Note, cutting tool steel - even cheap chinese harbor freight tool steel - is NOT easy but it can be done." Uhh, yes I know a lot of stuff from Harbor Freight is made in China, but this particular axe, (I got one for Christmas) says on it "Made in Germany" (Helko Tools International) The Fireman's hatchet is pictured on the following page on their web site http://www.helko.de/produkt/k5e.htm Information from my Google search World of Axes - helko product groups - Manufacturers of axes ... Manufacturers of Axes, Mauls, Hatchets (Edge Cutting Tools) for the world markets. In more than 40 countries the helko name is associated with quality, ... www.helko.de/produktgr_e.htm So apparently you are starting with some good 'German' steel, maybe that is why it was not so easy.

The National Geographic Channel is airing the Whydah documentary tomorrow night (Jan. 7th) But I can not find anything on when it will be on in the USA. So far my search has come up negative. Does anyone know when it is supposed to air here? or did I miss it already? I was to the Provencetown MA. museum many years ago, and hope to catch the exhibit when it hits Philly in the spring, but would love to catch the documentary. This thread started back in October when LadyBarbossa stated "Saw it on Good Morning America this morning as well as a mention on Regis and Kelly that National Geographic has a documentary (not sure when or where it will be airing, didn't catch that part) about the shipwrecked pirate vessel" Wish she caught when it was airing, because I only can find information on it for NatGeo outside the USA.

"Here is a case (gin) bottle right after the GAoP, according to the current owner. It was blown not molded..." 1770-1800 is quite a bit after GAOP in my estimation. And then there is the question as to how do you blow a square bottle? In a sense, even molded bottles are blown, they are just blown inside a mold. But were early case bottles blown round and then flattened on four sides by hand blocking?

Ok, La Belle, sank in 1686, so it is a snapshot of what might be aboard any vessel of that time, and the time is in the GAOP. You mention 'Case bottles' which seemed to be in higher numbers than Onion bottles. On page 69 of "A guide to Artifacts of Colonial America" they show a stright sided 'case bottle' but in other books, I have seen tapered sided case bottles. For some reason, I have always thought of case bottles as being just after GAOP but apprently they are not, and yet, it would seem that others besides myself are under the impression that Onion bottles are older, because they are formed with basically a blow pipe and do not require a mold. Molded bottles are throught of being 'post' period. Are case bottles not molded bottles? Are they formed with paddles after being blown? Everyone seems to be after an onion bottle, but I would think that modern square bottles might be easier to come by, I can think of a few gin bottles that might be altered a little. But back to why I initially began this thread...... It would be nice if there was a sort of 'Manual' depicting with color-size-shape information on the various containers, along the line of how people have discussed and shared information on clothing patterns and proper materials as well as stitching, and the discussions on proper side arms, etc. In the area of drink containers, we know that Casks, ceramic bottles (Bellarmine or Bartmann Bottles - again from 'a guide to artifacts...') were in period and Case bottles (dark glass) and even with pewter screw tops! no less. So maybe a Gibley's Gin is not too far off of period if I colored the glass a dark green But seriously, trying to sort through all the stuff and trying to be more historical than Hollywood is not very easy. There is a lot out there for the 1740 ff. as to what is historically correct, but precious little for the GAOP.

I got the brother to your parrot, also a christmas gift. Wonder how many others on the Forum got a mechanical talking parrot? Now to figure out how to attach him to my shoulder.

Red Maria said ""Sorry I didn't link to a specific page but there was too many places to point to. A search engine search by 18th century sutler will get you more sites with more examples."" See, there is the problem, ""18th century sutler's"" most of them are dealing with stuff from the 1740's onward. Jas. Townsend particularly speaks of them being 1750-1840 or something like that. My difficulty is finding on the sites information about the correct time period of the items, all the sites are quite general in their description of the time period. The Golden Age of Piracy is the common designation given the period roughly spanning from the 1680s to the 1720s, so a box from 1740 is out of place and time. But what would a box from the year 1680 look like? It may well look the same as a box from 1780, but I have found no testimony yet if that is true or not. Bottles changed over time, so did pottery, Just trying to get a handle on the various things that might make up a proper depiction of the time period.

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~pwguild/a-botls.htm This site shows a time line for the evolution of glass bottles, the first being 1630-1660 I have been trying to find 'cheap' sources for period looking glass bottles and ran across it. on a side note, there are bottles that might well be true to GAOP that are still being sold today, something I am still researching. Franconian wines (region of Germany) are still sold in a particular style bottle, the "Bocksbeutel" which has historical testimony for the late 1600's. As far as I can tell, this is a flattened onion bottle shape, that some people associate with Portugal wines, but has it's origen in Germany.

yes, sea chests have been discussed, but they are a specialized box, no? or are they typical of any ship board storage box? or were there not any 'boxes' ? were only barrels used? say for example I had some china to ship, would I put it into a 'box' or a barrel? Are square or rectangular boxes non period? and do they arrive on the scene at a later time? In the picture there is a bale wrapped in rope and a barrel, also what seems to be baskets, and a sea chest, but No boxes, as I usually think of boxes. Are there any period pictures with boxes? Found a site that has line drawings of the evolution of wine bottles, which I will post under a new thread, but it would be good to have similar research on other Containers as an archive for those who wish to refine their historical presentation.

I know that this is a wide topic, but thinking about bottles, and that many of the types of bottles that exist today were not available in the GAOP (such as case bottles) and that Onion bottles ARE period correct, I started thinking about other containers. What would look correct in a camp, on a wharf, or aboard ship? I know that both wet and dry casks were used but that some things may make even a barrel 'non-period' such as galvanized steel hoops. What would be other forms of containers be, and in their proper material and form? I assume that some kind of cloth sack or bale wrapping was used in the period. What size, shape and material? Is Burlap ok, or would it have to be canvas sail cloth? non-cotten? etc. Crockery of course existed, but what shape would crocks or jugs have taken to be period correct? as well as would they be glazed, or unglazed, and if glazed, what color? or would 'salt' glazing be period? Wooden boxes or crates are a whole subject in themselves. A simple box can be made out of six boards nailed together, would that be period correct? sometimes you see boxes with reinforcing battens on the edges and with diagonal cross braces. Dovetails, big or small? What would a common period box look like? Also, what would common dimensions be? Baskets? shape, size and material?

In regard to "no snow" ........ The last time I was in Key West, it hailed! (back in April '03) and there was about an inch of what could pass for 'snow' in some areas, along with the curbs awash with thunderstorm water. They said that it was the first time in 20 years that they had had hail. So with the weather you never know

Oh wow, I think that the parrot must have found the key to the rum locker. That was great.

you can get a audio animatronic parrot at walmart these days for around $55, they say you can teach it to say different things, maybe even a smoke alarm http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?...duct_id=5855091

I have been noticing in the many pictures of people in their garb that so often it looks too new. (nothing against those who are out there putting stuff together, you all seem to be doing a great job) I am just wondering how many pirates would have slops that were still white, or not stained with at least 'tar' somewhere? or patched? Are there any of you out there who have found good ways of distressing your garb? Anyone ever try to simulate or actually give the kit some powder burns to simulate close combat? I would guess that a pirate would want his stuff in good repair, not run around in rags if he could help it, but unlike today where a stain will get an item discarded, I would expect, an evident repair or a stain that just won't come out, would be the norm for the time period. So, 'how about getting dirty? '

ahh, maybe I see the light at the end of the bakersfield well, if casketchris be speaking of the price of a barrel of oil, (that nasty stuff, you can't drink it, and it don't smell so good neither) yeah, it would be nice to see a barrel below $50 again, odd how we think of things as cheap, that just a couple of years ago would have been thought of as highway robbery.

""well cheap as in under like 50 bones but one cut if half long way not in the middle of it. o ya the big barrels"" Well if cheap is $50 you could buy one whole barrel and cut it in half yourself. The only problem with cutting them in half the long way, top to bottom, is that you would also be cutting the hoops that hold the barrel together. Slice a barrel in half, top to bottom, it would fall into a pile of staves. You would have to drill and screw the hoops to the individual staves before you cut down the side, or take it apart and do some screwing from the inside to hold the barrel shape. If you want just the 'look' of a two barrel bar, I guess it could be done that way, I just hate seeing a barrel cut up that way, sort of like haveing only half a ship, might look good, but it will never float. But in spite of what casketchris said, whole old whiskey barrels CAN be had for $50-$60, I saw a number of them outside a TrueValue Hardware store last weekend in Upstate NY and I think they were asking $57 @

cheap barrels? free barrels?!!!! That would be nice, but I am afraid that usually just does not exist. (if it does, please, please, whoever knows of such things, inform the group, I will be in line as fast as I can be) But just a few questions: What size were you looking for? I assume the big whiskey barrel size. What do you consider "cheap" ??? Free I understand, but "cheap" can be various things to different people. Usually half barrels (a barrel sawed in half through the middle at the bulge) can be had at most Garden and home centers. I have seen them at lumberyards, hardware stores, Walmart, and Nurserys. Sometimes you can also find the Whole barrel at the above mentioned places, but I think you are looking at a cost of somewhere in the neighborhood of $50-$60 for the whole barrel. (at least that is the price range I have seen in NY/NJ) maybe closer to the places that use them they might be cheaper? But Cheap or Free barrels, I have not seen. Another place to look might be at some older Farm Auctions, I have also seen them at auction in Amish areas, when the barrel is no longer of use to them, they let someone who just wants it for decoration, pay them for it.