Capt. Sterling

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I cast my lot along with Silkie and Foxe... even a well fitting cocked hat will catch the wind, if the wind is strong enough...

Um...I think ye got that backwards....

Actually no, the 1690 jacket is from a Quilting book by Colby. Just something to help with any "hunting"... sent off an email to Ninya Mikhaila, hoping she can shed some more light on the subject along with waistcoat/jumps. And no one is actually arguing with you on the subject of jackets...and I, for one, certainly agree that tis better to make something common and be more certain of it, than something that one is not too sure about, especially the look. If Waugh states that the jackets were still worn by working women, odds are its a pretty solid statement, problem being we still don't know exactly what those jackets looked like... there is a big difference in cut from the 1690s jacket to the Bizarre fabric jacket.

1687 "It is not surprising that you are wearing fontanges because everybody here does from little girls seven years old to old women in their eighties, the only difference is that young people wear them in all colours, whereas their elders have only black or dark-coloured ones.." - Madame, Duchesse D'Orleans, correspondence. Unfortunately it does not state what parts are in the different colours... but it may have been along these types ...

What ego? De'Dogge has an ego??

Well for what its worth... Norah Waugh: "The jacket, or waistcoat, with short basques, was too useful a garment to be discarded and continued to be worn for negligée wear and especially by working women. There were also simple bodices, laced up centre back or perhaps crossing in front and caught together centre front with bows. These were more for casual wear and were habitual for children and young girls. (Cut of Women's Clothes, p,. 66) 1690quilted.jpg (46675 bytes) Quilted jacket; green and red floral patterns were woven into the fabric prior to quilting. English, c. 1690, from Quilting by Averil Colby

Bodice Jacket? I am only assuming of course, but do you mean a jacket as on the figure to the left of this photo...this Bizarre jacket is dated 1720 and the stomacher is dated at 1719, the skirt is a reproduction...from the exhibit 4 centuries of women living at Beacon Castle, in Virginia... doesn't make jackets common but certainly doesn't rule them out...

Oh we still teach handwriting in Virginia... we just gloss over grammar instead...

No way man, they TOTALLY teach common sense in schools, it was that thing written by that guy a long time ago about stuff.... Problem is common sense is not common between populations. The assumption that everyone shares the same "common sense" in terms of safety is naive and dangerous. Generally speaking, it makes perfect sense to fire into an open, privately owned field. THAT is the common part of the sense. The rest has to do with how much you know, about ricochet physics and all that. Plus the addition of the shot, the neighboring houses, etc.... (though my personal belied is that it should be common sense not to fire an actual shot UNLESS there was some experiment taking place that we don't know about- about cannon fire, etc. Maybe? anyway...) I'm getting a little tangled in my thoughts... but this is not common sense stuff. This is going to go slightly off topic but, I would really like to see crews getting together and creating safety standards for events- guidelines for newbies PRINTED and even signed contracts for individual crew members. As of yet, black powder is not all that regulated, although I think in NY you cannot have powder and shot or it IS considered a weapon, but there SHOULD be some sort of test. Especially when it comes to a cannon, even if there is nothing being fired from it, it is still very dangerous. Too much powder, improper use... its really frightening. I would like to see a course, even if it is informally done, for safety purposes. Sorry, that was my rant. I've been accused of acting like a mommy, but I want all my "boys" to be safe, and I am not afraid to beat the hell out of them if they are not acting appropriately. - All this said, perhaps another thread (stickied?) is in order for safety, resources, ideas etc... or is that somewhere and I haven't seen it? I'd really like a quiz.... Sorry again for the discombobulated thought process. Problem with this is everyone has their own ideas regarding standards... some of us even have our own ideas about how much we should self regulate, we get to a point where we can regulate ourselves right into a corner and them that don't like what we do will have the upper hand... what thread was it here, where certain reenactment groups want to ban pistols from the battle field??? Gee doesn't sound too good for pirates that.... As to teaching the basics in schools, common sense, accountability, responsibility and consequences is becoming a dying art in the school system... at least down in my neck of the woods... more like...nothing you do is really wrong, and we have to accept everything and anything that anyone does as all right. Oh and down here, they don't even know who Thomas Paine was...

Yes, but don't take it out of context. See more here: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. Not that I'm defending them, per se: I work with them, and...well, I'm not going to post anything here that might be misconstrued as murderous intent. LOL... we were doing a hanging down at Beaufort... and a guy in the audience raises his hand and says "I'm a lawyer! I'll defend the captain!" Audience immediately turned on the poor guy and shouted..."Hang HIM instead!" Even Maddogge had to fight not to laugh...

couldn't agree more...and I think it was Shakespeare that had a good quote about lawyers..

They used to have the horse racing at Williamsburg during publik times... now that was fun!

Hmmm makes you wonder, if the country continues along these lines, if common sense will cease to exist...we certainly don't seem to encourage it any more...even in the schools...

Hmmm some people put more money into their horses' feet than into their own children's teeth? Big money in top show horses, not to mention racing... personally spent a fortune on custom shoes for one of my hunters, and a good friend was offered a blank cheque for one of her jumpers...so it can be a very costly and still profitable "hobby". Perhaps the H&R company produces very accurate gauges? Screw up a horse's hoof and odds are you cripple the animal unfortunately... for such big, strong creatures, they can be extremely fragile and their feet need a lot of attention.

I really don't think folks are ignoring the elephant, as most here seem to be of the opinion that such irresponsible behavior unfortunately has the potential to ruin things for all of us. Most folks here, that I know, are also of the same opinion that everyone should be held accountable for their actions and that there should be consequences for the wrong actions. Problem being is it seems a lot of the media folk and them like minded, don't seem to agree and are pushing a different agenda for what ever reasons and the rest of us remain a bit too quiet.

Hey Bo, think you might have something there... another modern gauge in brass...and the curved piece on Mission's could very well slip right up nicely along the heel for placement

Yeah, but this guy did stay home. That was the whole problem. Rules shouldn't be made to protect the irresponsible. On that front, I agree with Silkie; if you do something completely stupid, you have to own up to it and make it right. Otherwise we end up with a tangled web of laws that are either impossible to follow or prohibitive to everyone else. There are and always will be people doing foolish things and if we have to protect ourselves from every randomly idiotic possibility they manage to discover, we won't be able to leave our beds eventually. (Like in Wall*E :) ) Then we'll all weigh 600 pounds and scoot around on pre-defined tracks under the byzantine rule of a robot on a monorail track. Doing drugs and getting drunk and then handling weapons on the field is not only irresponsible but also stupid...and if you read my post I was following/replying to captscruvy although I did not quote him, obviously I was referring to his comment about people who are taking the field who know they are breaking the rules set out by events for safety reasons. People like that have a very strong potential for putting us all out of "business", I was not referring to the idiot with the cannon. I still say folks that do that and know what they are doing should stay away from the field, stay home or be tossed from the event. I don't view that as protecting the irresponsible but holding them accountable for their dumb arse actions at events.

Thanks Foxe, as always much obliged.

Oi Foxe, have you ever been able to go any further with this?

Bump

I don't see why not

A very happy birthday to you.

Hey kind of looks like mine... only not all beat up and stuff... I could help out in that area though...if she wants...

Hmmm the Wolf? Now that would be an interesting proposition... at least if he wins, he can live a bit longer... the rope fits more than one neck, don't ye know.