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Aw, crap. I dinna' wanna' turn. I was just watching Willow last night, so let's see... (I dare you guys to get this one without looking it up. Dare ya!) "Love is as contagious as a cold. It eats away at your strength, morale... If everything is imperfect in this world, love is perfect in its imperfection." "You're happy, you with your oily words. You believe your own drivel." "Who said? But I love to give pieces of advice."

Star Trek 11: Search for the Botox Planet? Or maybe it's the ST2: The Wrack of Kahn... Oh, I was re-reading my own quote, when it struck me: I picked the wrong Gossomer/Bugs interaction! There were two nearly identical BB/Gossomer cartoons and that quote I gave was from the the second. The actual quote should have been: "My stars! Just look at your hands!" "You monsters are such interesting creatures! I was just saying to my girlfriend, just the other day, 'Monsters are such interesting people! Why I'll bet they lead such interesting lives!' The things you must see and the things you must do! My stars!" "Oh my, my! This will never do!" "Now let's stick our paddies in the water!" (Of course, there are mousetraps in the water dish. Poor Gossomer.) I'm surprised none of you noticed that. Honestly. "I'm Pirate Sam. The meanest blood thirstiest Doggone worstiest Shoot 'em up firstiest Pirate to ever sail the Spanish Main."

Ok... hmmm... you caught me off guard... "think fast rabbit" (no, that's not the quote) It's a lot bloody better than the real quote! "Remember." Jeez... "My stars! Where did you ever get that awful hairdo? It doesn't become you at all. Here, for goodness sakes, lemme fix it up. Look how stingy and messy it is. What a shame! Such an interesting monster, too. My stars, if an interesting monster can't have an interesting hairdo, then I don't know what things are coming to. In my business you meet so many interesting people. Bobby pins please. But the most interesting ones are the monsters. Oh dear, that'll never stay. We'll just have to have a permenenant." [No, that's not a quote for quoting. It's Blackjohn's turn! It's just the follow-up to his non-quote.]

Somehow I expect to see something like this on a red Mustang...

The ones in this forum appear to have been deleted like the "What do you do for a living?" post with the great server clean-up a few months ago. (Everything that hadn't received a post after Nov 2005 in this forum is gone.) I do remember a lot of ghost stories being told in that post, though.

Even better. I've got my eye on one on eBay. (Everyone else stay clear of my prey! Actually, looking into the completed sales thing, I expect it will cost about the same as the used stuff on Amazon give or take a few bucks. But I'll get a a happy comment on my account that way unless something untoward happens. (I've had to put stuff into Paypal's hands a couple of times...bloody pirates.) Garage sales really aren't my territory. There's that creepy "prying into someone's life" vibe that I can never shake.) I've never seen Captain Ron. I suppose I should add it to my rental list. In fact, I think I will...

Kyle MacDonald posted the red clip on the barter section of Craig's List and was offered a fish-shaped pen. Kyle traded that for a ceramic doorknob, which he swapped for a camping stove. Then came a generator, which he exchanged for a beer keg and Budweiser sign. The 26-year-old bartered them for a snowmobile which led to a holiday, a truck and a record deal. A wannabe singer took the contract, offering in exchange a year's rent in a flat in Phoenix, Arizona. Kyle swapped that for an afternoon with rocker Alice Cooper which was traded for a Kiss snow globe. Incredibly, LA Law star Corbin Bernsen, a collector, traded a film role for the item. Locals in Kipling, Saskatchewan gave Kyle a three-bed house for the role. They have also pledged to build him a giant red paperclip monument. "It's the most unbelievable offer," said the odd-job man. He now hopes to get a job in a grocery store in the town. (It's almost like piracy.) http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/07/1...e.ap/index.html

First question: Of Course. Second: Very much so. Third: Out of the 17 titles, 8 are instrumental, 8 are vocal as sung by the actors/ Muppets and one is by John Berry as heard while the end credits are shown. I listen to album every now and again, and I am sorry, but I can really find no similarities with the POTC2 album, not even in the title you mentioned ("Treasure Island") from the intro of the MTI movie. Really? Ohhhh, I hate to spend that much on a soundtrack, but you sound like you know what you're talking about. Perhaps when I hear it outside of the movie, I will agree with you. At least we'll be able to discuss it more intelligently.

Again, it seems as if you had been misinformed. You can buy the MTI soundtrack at amazon. Yeah, I guess I didn't state this with complete accuracy. I knew I could get copies off the secondary market, but it's no longer commercially available from the primary market. ($36 is a lot to pay for a used soundtrack of which I had no knowledge. Thus I chose to rent the movie instead.) Do you have it? If so, is it worth owning in your opinion? How much of it is pure instrumental and how much of it is vocal? I enjoyed the music in the movie for the most part, but $36 + s/h for something I don't know much about seems awful risky. (This is particularly true if it's primarily vocals in my book. I prefer instrumental music for the most part.)

Then you should not write Non sequitur. From one perspective it is. However, you patched together two different posts to create this non-sequitur which is somewhat misleading. I did point it out in the second post, just for that reason. (I notice you ignored that part of my second post it in favor of restricting yourself to cutting apart my post in a manner that allowed you to do so.) To explain this from my perspective (being the writer), the first sentence was an introduction as to why I had watched the movie. If I'm guilty of anything, it's not stating the point clearly enough for you to understand. But let's parse through the original post, shall we? Taken alone, it supports your point. However, the next sentence... ...supports what I've just told you. ...is the conclusion I draw from "get[ting] the movie off Netflix and see[ing]."

But nobody informed me. I came to my conclusions based on my observations. You can disagree with me (which you obviously do), but you could at least give some specifics of why you disagree. The song in the opening seemed to have similarities in tone, rhythm and structure to one of the themes in the first movie. I also hear familiar overtones in the music in the middle. Curry played the most light-hearted version of sinister I've ever seen. I though he was hilarious, with more than a touch of a sly "this is all in fun" attitude. I found myself laughing out loud at some of his goofy grins. He was great. (The look on his face when Kermit popped all the buttons of his coat was priceless.)

Someone had told me that the POTC music was very similar to the music Zimmer composed for Muppet's Treasure Island. The soundtrack is no longer available, but I decided to get the movie off Netflix and see. There is definitely a strong correlation. After hearing some of that music, there can be little doubt that Zimmer had a lot to do with the first movie's soundtrack. The similarities are unmistakeable. On another note...This was the first time I had seen this movie. (I know, I know...) Does anyone else think that Jack Sparrow borrows more than a bit from Tim Curry's take on Long John Silver? (Curry is an absolute hoot! He makes this movie.) Maybe Tim Curry should be in POTC3 as Jack's dad rather than Keith Richards.

I predict that the actions of Norrington and Barbossa will be the most intellectually interesting things going on in the next film. Here's hoping...

But your arm's off! What if Jack was using blanks and Barbossa had blood packs that were activated by squibs when Jack shot him? Then he pretended to be dead...nah, that's far too ridiculous!

Perhaps the first movie was all a dream or something that happened in the imagination of a child in a sanitarium?

That's a good one! How about: Before he died he was bitten by a zombie and is now actually a zombie undead rather than just plain vanilla undead?

Oh, ok. One year seems to me to be a pretty long time to spend on a ship with no plunder if your goal is plunder.

"Jack is not a very good pirate." Hmm. Ok, you may be right. So? Jack is a goofy Bugs Bunny character pulling bombs out of his inside jacket pocket. Even Depp admits that. He did take the big ship from Port Royal with Will's help. And it seems to me there was something implied about him stealing the little, sinking ship seen in the beginning of the first movie. (Some pirates from that era actually started out by stealing canoes.) "There's not a lot of pyracy in these movies." I agree with that, particularly in the second one. Again I wonder...so? I think Mad Jack hit the nail on the head. These are escapist monster movies with caribbean pirates as the vehicle. I remember reading a review that said if Disney had made POTC:COTBP as a standard pirate movie it probably would have gone the way of Cutthroat Island. Then there wouldn't be a sequel at all. As for your math, I don't have an answer, but since we're all analyzing... 13 Years since the Pearl sunk the first time (If I understand and remember the 2nd movie correctly, the Pearl was sunk and Jack somehow conned Davy Jones into raising it in exchange for Jack's eventual service.) 10 Years Jack spent looking for it after the mutiny 2 Years he was captain - was this before or after the mutiny? We don't really know. Could the crew be complaining about 2 years of fruitless pirating and trying to find the sunken island? Say, where's the missing year? There's another plot hole for you. Perhaps you should be upset about that too. As for what's canon and what's not...that's usually an ugly discussion. I remember watching battle royales at TheForce.net over such things. What does it matter? I was just pointing out how I understood the curse. You may understand it differently. Works for me. (How did we get so deeply into this topic? It's probably my fault.)

Only to keep coming up with increasingly absurd reasons that Barbossa would come back from the dead. Have we touched on all the major movie cliches yet? What about this: Barbossa was in love before he became undead and he was only nearly dead when Jack shot him?

Christine has a point. I believe it really comes down to what the writers said in their VO: it was too confusing having multiple curses, so they simplified the whole thing to avoid losing the audience. Lose the audience in a film like this one and you're screwed. However, I can explain it from my perspective. Barbossa said, "Buried on an island that cannot be found except for those who know where it is. Find it, we did. There be the chest, inside be the gold, we took them all." Note here that the crew each took some of the gold at the same time. If you want to get really technical, you could argue that each crew member should have to return the pieces they took with their blood on them. (Talk about over-analyzing...). For the sake of simplicity, let's throw that aside and take the writers (who are also the creators of the story) at their word. Continuing... "Spent them and traded them. We frittered them away on drink and food and pleasurable company. The more we gave them away, the more we came to realize... the drink would not satisfy, food turned to ash in our mouths, and all the pleasurable company in the world could not slake our lust. We are cursed men, Miss Turner. Compelled by greed we were, and now we are consumed by it. There is one way we can end our curse. All the scattered pieces of the Aztec gold must be restored and the blood repaid. Thanks to ye we have the final piece." Now that's sort of vague IMO. It sounds exactly like what Christine said: all the pieces have to be in the chest to lift the curse. However (and I admit I am anally analyzing here): 1. Considering it from the undead pirate's perspective, they only understand the curse as it relates to them. They know that they are cursed and have to get the gold back to the chest with the blood repaid. (How did they figure this out? The instruction manual. Ok, that's really anal...) 2. Even so, they don't know what happens if someone else takes a piece from the chest. 3. I think the part where he says "All the scattered pieces of the Aztec gold must be restored..." is what is confusing when compared to what the writers said. However, you can take that as "we need all 882 pieces in there" or "all the pieces we scattered around need to be returned." The piece Jack stole was already returned by the pirates with blood repaid apparently, which (to me) means it's been accounted for in their curse. Now Jack enters a new contract by stealing it again. Are there scenes in the deleted material where Jack puts only his piece back in to remove his curse? I don't remember... (Ah, well. It is only a movie.)

Maybe it was a doppleganger that Barbossa created to go and be killed by Jack while the real Barbossa consulted with his spiritual medium (or possibly his spiritual large), Mea Culpa who was advising him on how to get rid of Jack once and for all? Now he can mislead the crew of the Pearl, leaving Elizabeth to steal one of the rowboats and go save Jack... (I could keep doing this all day. Where's Cire? He's never around when you need him.)

Aw, gee...c'mon. Don't tell me what I can and can't do vis-a-vis movies. I'll decide for myself. I don't tell you what to think about movies. (I do say what I think of them, but what would we do around here all day, if not stuff like that?) See, I really enjoyed the first one. Saw it several times in the theatre. In fact, it's the only movie I've ever seen more than twice in a theatre.

Red-Handed Jill and I are NTs; we like overanalyzing.

Voodoo. Pah. Hokey. Just plain pitifully hokey. Now if it were the spiritual essence of Captain Zigor, whose spirit had been embodied in the canvas of the painting that was on the backside of the pile of gold where Barbossa was killed - and he reached through the painting and raised him from the dead...then you'd have something. ___________ A long while back, there was a discussion going on here about a location where part of the movies were going to take place. I think this is where the next movie is headed. The end of this movie seems to have all but verified what we talked about - it ties in nicely with what's happened so far.

Or maybe the monkey's actually the corporeal form of the ancient Babylonian demigod Messitoutou and s/he resurrected him.