RedJessi

For example, being called out in the manner I was (which is to say, in a vague enough manner that neither Misson or myself are quite sure why our names are appearing, other than perhaps a penchant for verbosity in regards to topics psychological)

I resemble that remark. Say, you did see this! I didn't figure you for a regular Twill visitor.

I sneak in on occasion. Post on even more rare occasion. I try to be verrrry sneaky and only do so at 3am. heh

I followed you all the way up to homogeneity bias. I would think the outgroup would be more varied than the ingroup, but in the wrong way. Unless you're talking about the ingroup's perception of the outgroup?

Sort of. The strict definition is that members see their own group as being more varied than members of the outgroup.It's kinda like the attributional bias - in that you see youself or your group as being more varied because you are on hand to observe it more, whereas you see other individuals/groups and make cognitive leaps of potentially erroneous inductive reasoning as shorthand. Or, another way to put it would be - because we have a fair amount of information regarding members of our own group (ingroup) we are able to differentiate among them. But we tend to view members of other groups (outgroups) as being very similar to each other.Like stereotyping, to a degree. Like deciding all PC pirates are holier-than-thou stitch counters or that non-PC pirates are Jack-Sparrow-come-latelys who won't be arsed to put time or research into their kit.

This gets really destructive when we get to attributional errors.

The problem with creating elite events is that you end up with elitists. And the meta communication that comes with that social standing is often interpreted as others to be condescending at least - hostile at worst.

I believe that hits the nail directly on the head. But groups are a natural part of any social function. Curiously, the ingroup is only 'in' if there is consensus (and then it's only in for the individuals who happen to agree with the consensus - either negatively or positively.) 'Period correctness' provides a natural organizing principle for group inclusion at some pirate events. (Although I find this primarily absent at PiP...which is why I think it is one of the greatest events I attend.)

This is true, but it is the value placed on one group over another. In the case of pirating, what I see is a way of thinking that communicates that PC pirates are better than non-PC pirates - which crosses ingroup/outgroup borders, as "reel" pirates (once confronted by an individual who is a stickler for accuracy) will - even if begrudgingly or with a sense of personal injury - afford the PC pirates the privileges denied to themselves.

Funny you should mention communication. It is ultimately the key to not being perceived as elitist. The more open a group is in communicating and the more accepting they are to people attempting to achieve the standard set by the organizing principle, the less elitist they will appear as far as I can tell.

Again, taking this to attributional errors mars that statement. If a member of an outgroup does something bad (be rude, condescending, snaps about the quality of their kit, etc) we tend to conclude "Thats the way those people are". In contrast, when an ingroup member does something equally negative, we tend to make dispositional attributions, blaming the individual rather than the group. Thus, a non-PC pirate has one negative encounter with a PC-pirate and the assumption is that all PC pirates are uptight braggarts who are in a closed group. This can, of course, seriously damage an individuals desire to join the group (and thus, they will stick to the relative safety of the group they know - even if disparaged).

Something else in this thread triggered a memory to an article I recall reading - but I will have to wait until I get to my office to review the article to see if it's worth posting here. Which is to say, I may actually be back to a twill thread.

Oooo.....Island could be fun!

came across some more from Halloweens past:.

A punk rag doll - may hair was actually pink and red at the time - so I braided in loads of dreads and wool (about 80 braids plus tied in Colinette .5 wool), then tied it all into knots on either side of my head like pigtails.

Punk anime kitty girl. Alas, no shots of the tail.

Female version of The Crow

Angel (this was for an angels/demons party that took place on 6-6-06)

To further Cuisto's point... I live in the mid-west.... There were never GAoP here (river pirates were a later thing)... And while it is small, we have been working to some more living history events out this way, and getting some pretty good turnouts. Anyone can re-enact anything (within reason) anywhere they want. It only takes a few guys to put together and event, the more the better, but a handful or two people and a place to play.

http://www.acws.co.uk/

no kidding!

here's one for Mission and Jessi, why is that people get so damned defensive all the time? instead of just assuming that someone is actually trying to help? Time to get back to the old standard of believing the best and not the worst of people...

The problem with creating elite events is that you end up with elitists. And the meta communication that comes with that social standing is often interpreted as others to be condescending at least - hostile at worst.

For example, being called out in the manner I was (which is to say, in a vague enough manner that neither Misson or myself are quite sure why our names are appearing, other than perhaps a penchant for verbosity in regards to topics psychological) by someone who has taken a stance of more accuracy.

Now, I could take this to be calling me out as a newbie (since pip 08 was my first ever event) or as a newbie who gets things particularly wrong as far as accuracy, or as a person who is especially known for being defensive and not assuming people are trying to help.

I could also take is as the near opposite of those things - that I am a particularly erudite and even headed newbie who has all the style and class that should be associated with events. (I think my metal grommets and zippered boots prove otherwise).

What makes me decide on which course of belief to take? In large part it comes from the tone, context, and such as well as what I know of or any history I have with the person speaking. Thus, I think it's easy for a newbie to feel talked down to or vaguely ridiculed at events, because of the aforementioned elitist matter.

Being a resident expert tends to bring with it certain behavior patterns - in the group these behaviors work to identify the leaders. They also work to identify and divide the "ingroup" and "outgroup". This is all part of social identity theory - and if you really want the info, I can certainly provide it - but for the sake of not derailing a twill thread any further, I will end with this synopsis of how the theory could converge with your specific question:

By creating this ingroup (accurate) and outgroup (newbie/ less accurate/ "reel") there is an inherent outgroup homogeneity bias (the theory that those of the outgroup are less varied than those of the ingroup) and generally people tend to privilege the ingroup members over the outgroup members. Thus, being an outgroup member can really suck - and thus, people are more prone to get defensive.

That man is going to lose body parts.

Nevermind! LOL

Ok, my review of The Lost Symbol is now up on the Misfits website - which is more like a review wrapped in an open letter. - so you can read all about it and comment till your heart's content!

Is it basically the same novel as his first two books?

I am assuming you mean Angels & Demons an DaVinci Code and not Deception Point and Digital Fortress. And no - Angels & Demons/DaVinci Code were junk-food fiction - not wonderful literature, but fun and entertaining fictional fluff. Plowing through The Lost Symbol was a meandering and plodding chore centered around a foregone conclusion.

Jessi may just have to prod me from time to time to make sure I'm awake is all.

I'll bring me poking stick!!

I finished The Lost Symbol.

Ugh. Bad stuff. I may be writing a review for a website - if so, I will post a link to it here.

I don't arrive until Friday Night most likely, but here's where I should be able to pitch in:

Fri

Gate Duty 0100-0300

Sat

Cleaning Detail: 1830

Sat

Trash Detail: 1900

I'm leaving Sunday afternoon, so that limits me again. Sorry!

GOOD LORD Mission!! You risked life and limb! Great pic!

(apparently I love exclamation points and will use them with wild abandon today! WILD ABANDON I TELL YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!)

!!!

*waits impatiently for pics and stories!

It's just the fact that it is a handwritten manuscript. Just makes me all sorts of curious about the person that wrote it.

I rather love my truck - Sarge (the plate currently reads "ARRRRGG")

But if the Aptera goes into it's production plans and becomes available outside of California, at 300mpg it might be my next car:

I've always loved the '56 Bel Air

But of you're going to GO BIG, there's the $95mil Oculus:

They say it's a "Superyacht" supposedly modeled after a killer whale. Looks more the eels from the Little Mermaid to me

WOW. That is incredible!

lol

Thanks for the response though!

Actually, what I was looking for was a clue to their techniques and what type of people they were. Did they use egg tempera like the Renaissance artists? How were their brushes made and were did they get them. How was their canvas treated and stretched? What type of social standing did a painter have? What sort of art did average people have, if any? What other media was popular?

Recently finished Proust Was a Neuroscientist by Jonah Lehrer

Almost done with After Silence: Rape & My Journey Back by Nancy Venable Rain

Will be starting The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown

I SO Wish I was going to this - you have no idea!

Mmmmmmm.....sangria.......

Going to the colder side of the Atlantic, there was whiskey.

King James I granted Sir Thomas Phillips a royal license to distill ‘uisce beatha’ (ish-keh ba-ha), the gaelic for 'water of life', in Co. Antrim in 1608. This is the first official recorded evidence of whiskey-making in the area - which was later to become Bushmills (one of my preferred brands - Black Bush being delightfully smooth with a hint of sweetness as it is aged in old sherry casks). Further, it is believed that troops of King Henry II drank Bushmills some 400 years before the distillery became officially licensed - but there are no reliable historical records that prove this.

Another good one, of course, is Jameson - in 1780 John Jameson established the Bow Street Distillery in Dublin.

Gee, and here I had pictured myself with a blue collar.

...and Willie Wobble in the green shirt....Animal in the Blue Collar....Spike as Scrappy....and...and....dang...i hate orange!!

But you DO enjoy dressing as a woman....

Hey gang,

I've been known to dabble in a bit of visual art no and again - in various media types - and I got to thinking about how I could possibly turn that into an accurate impression (as it was recently suggested to me to think of what I would actually want to do in the time period with the personality I have today and given that GAOP predated Freud, my actual profession is somewhat out of the question).

So where would I go about different types of art of the period - how it was created, who created it, etc?