Creating the 1720 Careening Camp

[William Brand]

I am certain that I can. I would love to reproduce a map for the festival.

So...Key west has been called Cayos de Guezo (Keys of Bone) and many other versions on the theme, such as Key Bone, Keys of Bones, Key of Bones, Bone Key and so forth.

[blackjohn]

I'm not sure if "guezo" is an early/alternate Spanish word for bone or if it is something else???

Checking Jim's database of online historical charts, the earliest we seem to have for Key West is 1850s.

http://historicals.ncd.noaa.gov/historical...als/histmap.asp

Keyword search on Key West.

I'll see if I can find something somewhere worth sending your way. Worst case scenario, you could reverse engineer a modern edition of a chart. I think the public would get a kick out of if.

[William Brand]

I'm not sure if "guezo" is an early/alternate Spanish word for bone or if it is something else???

Checking Jim's database of online historical charts, the earliest we seem to have for Key West is 1850s.

http://historicals.ncd.noaa.gov/historical...als/histmap.asp

Keyword search on Key West.

I'll see if I can find something somewhere worth sending your way.  Worst case scenario, you could reverse engineer a modern edition of a chart.  I think the public would get a kick out of if.

I cross-referenced it in two places. It is a surname, but the early meaning of it is "bone".

I'm already in the process of reverse engineering maps for several islands that have no period maps, and almost no modern ones either. For example, La Blanquilla is always just a blob on other charts, like a poorly rendered footnote, so I've had to reference google earth to get a good overhead image of it.

[Gentleman of Fortune]

Ay Caramba!

If England is/was at war with Spain so much during the period, I would find it odd to name an english ship, even a pirate ship, a Spanish name.

I don't think that there were any Spanish names on the LOoooonG list posted above.

GoF

[hurricane]

This is true. An English ship would never carry any name that was even vaguely Spanish in that period. At least I can't recall of any.

My recommendation: Have everyone submit their five favorite names from a single list. Find those that appear on all the lists, narrow it to them and then vote. You can spend weeks on this when the only ones who will use it are yourselves. The public won't remember it two minutes after they leave the camp.

Hurricane

[Captain Jim]

From William's list: Tenth Whelp.

Tenth Whelp? you ask. I give you:

"The British first developed, in the 1620s, a class of ships called the Lyon Whelps Class to combat these Dunkirk Privateers and named them First Whelp, Second Whelp and so on up to Tenth Whelp. These ships were less than a hundred feet long and carried 10 to twelve guns. They were unhandy to sail and even less so to fight."

From:Here.

[Dorian Lasseter]

Another list...

# Adamant

# Adventure

# Annapolis Rover

# Asia

# Belcour

# Britania

# Broke

# Buckram

# Caledonian

# Cantabre

# Caroline

# Cesar

# Charles Mary

# Charles Mary Wentworth

# Comet

# Commerce

# Crown

# Dart

# Delight

# Diane

# Dispatch

# Dolphin

# Dove

# Dreadnought

# Duchess of Argyle

# Duke of Kent

# Eagle

# Earl of Dublin

# Earl of London

# Earl of Macclesfield

# Edward

# Eleanor

# Eliza

# Enterprise

# Falmouth

# Flora

# Fly l

# Flying Fish

# Foster Barham

# Foudroyant

# Fox

# Frances Mary

# General Bowyer

# General Smyth

# George

# Governor Carleton

# Haldane

# Halifax Rover

# Hare

# Hartford

# sloop L'Heureux

# Herald

# Intrepid

# Jack

# Jane

# Jason

# John

# Lawrence

# Lively

# Liverpool Packet

# Lord Cornwallis

# Lord Nelson

# Lord Spencer

# Loyalty

# Lucy

# Lunenburg

# Marie Joseph

# Mary

# Matilda

# Mayflower

# Minerva

# Miriam and Ann

# Monckton

# Montague

# Musketo

# Nelson

# Nymph

# Penobscot

# Phoenix

# Providence

# Providence

# Rasheigh

# Rattler

# Retaliation

# Retrieve Windsor

# la Revanche

# Revenge

# Rolla Liverpool

# Rover

# Royal Edward

# Royal Fusiliers

# Saucy 16

# Saucy Jack

# Shannon

# Sherbrooke

# Signe

# Sir Andrew Hammond

# Sir Geo. Collier

# Sir John Sherbrooke

# Sir William Parker

# Sisters

# St. Charles

# St. Joseph

# Snapdragon

# Star

# Success

# Swallow

# Telegraph

# Thinks I To Myself ---- This one amuses me

# la Tourterelle

# Triton

# Union

# la Victoire

# la Vigilente

# Wasp

# Weazle

# Wolverine

# York

# Young Phoenix

[William Brand]

Ay Caramba!

If England is/was at war with Spain so much during the period, I would find it odd to name an english ship, even a pirate ship, a Spanish name.

I don't think that there were any Spanish names on the LOoooonG list posted above.

GoF

A decidely good point and I'll concede that the ship should not bear a Spanish name.

Though perhaps, for the sake of background, the sloop WAS named the Cayos de Guevo until it was captured and renamed by English pirates? Just a thought. Then it might be named anything new from Gullah to Dispatch.

Once we've decided what the name of the boat should be, we should use the runner up as the name for the Sloop's smallboat, unless we would like to choose that now. I actually think Gullah would be the perfect name for the Sloop's smallboat.

[Patrick Hand]

I went through the list and wrote the ten that I liked the best... then I read yesterdays post....

I thought we already decided not to use a Spanish name... (remember... Tibiron...Shark)

I'm not totaly sure... but Southernmost is starting to grow on me.....

It ties into Key West, and his a nice ring to it.......

I think we have way too many names to choose from, and need to start narrowing the list down....... Then we can decide esactly what type of ship (I'm voting for a Sloop)

The 10 names that I liked....

Antelope

Charity

Dolphin

Duchess

Peregrine

Phoenix

Prudent Mary

Reuben

Waterhound

Welcome

[William Brand]

A ran down both lists and grabbed as many as I liked with a pure gut reaction.

Adamant - It has a defiant sound to it.

Centurion - It has a noble ring. It implies might and discipline.

Crow - Simple. Carrion. Dark. Omens. What have you.

Dispatch - I like the multiple meanings of the word.

Fortune - Again, a nice double meaning.

Herald - Also a few definitions within a word.

Lively - I just liked it.

Marmaduke - I may be biased. My first ancestor to arrive in the Americas, came aboard a ship named Marmaduke in 1611.

Nightingale - I just like the simple, elegant sound of it.

Peregrine - I happen to like falcons.

Prosperous - Nice broad defining word.

Phoenix - Fire. Rising from the ashes. What's not to like?

Antelope - Elegant, but I might like Gazelle or Hart or Stag better.

Satisfaction - It implies dark appetites, revenge, mirth

Southernmost - As I've stated. The Key West tie-in.

Star - Although, Northern Star or Dog Star or some other star might be better.

[Dorian Lasseter]

Of the list I posted.... I narrowed it down some... not to ten yet...

Adamant

Adventure

Caroline

Charles Mary

Dart

Diane

Duchess of Argyle

Eleanor

Eliza

Flora

Fox

Hare

Jane

Lucy

Marie Joseph

Mary

Matilda

Minerva

Nymph

Rattler

Saucy 16

Shannon

Snapdragon

Swallow

Thinks I To Myself ---- This one amuses me

Weazle

Mostly feminine names...

And a Sloop... a Bermuda Sloop...

[Patrick Hand]

Something I was thinking of for in the near future, (we still have a lot of stuff to figure out first)

I once went to a Renaissance faire where they sold a little booklet/pamphlet telling all about their little "Village"(Welcome to our Shire). It contained a basic history of the area, and an overview of Elizabethan life.

I was wondering if we could do something almost the same thing...

We have a lot of talented artist/cartoonist, so we could all participate in creating a small booklet telling about our ship, what careening is, weapons, clothing and Pyrate history of what is happening in 1720... A basic booklet, 16 to 32 pages long on what we are doing as Pyrates. (One sheet of paper,printed on both sides, cut in half and folded makes eight 5 1/2" by 4 1/4" pages.)

We would have to check with Harry about this part... But we could then sell the booklets, once we broke even on the printing cost, anything else would be donated to the Fort.

[William Brand]

I'm going to do draughts for the ship.

[Matty Bottles]

I've been looking over this thread, because the concept of the camp fascinates me, even though I will not be attending any time soon. And I always thought that Pandora's Box might be a nice name for a pirate vessel... it seems esoteric or classic, but most people would understand the reference, and it has a hint of menace to it... but I just suggest, dear sirs.

[Dorian Lasseter]

Animals

Antelope

Crow

Dolphin

Fox

Hare

Nightingale

Peregrine ----

Phoenix ----

Rattler

Swallow

Weazle ----

People's names

Caroline

Charles Mary

Diane

Duchess of Argyle

Eleanor ----

Eliza

Flora

Jane

Lucy ----

Marie Joseph

Mary

Matilda

Minerva

Prudent Mary

Reuben

Shannon ----

Other

Adamant

Adventure

Centurion

Dart

Dispatch

Fortune

Herald

Lively

Marmaduke

Nymph ----

Pandora's Box

Prosperous

Satisfaction

Saucy 16

Snapdragon ----

Southernmost ----

Star

Thinks I To Myself ----

Waterhound

Welcome

---- denotes my top ten... for now...

[William Brand]

I'm narrowing my list a bit more.

Adamant

Centurion

Crow

Dispatch

Fortune

Herald

Peregrine

Prosperous

Phoenix

Southernmost

[Patrick Hand]

Well the lists are getting shorter.......

Antelope

Peregrine

Crow (or Raven)

Lucy

Prudent Mary

Southernmost

[William Brand]

From William's list: Tenth Whelp.

Tenth Whelp? you ask. I give you:

"The British first developed, in the 1620s, a class of ships called the Lyon Whelps Class to combat these Dunkirk Privateers and named them First Whelp, Second Whelp and so on up to Tenth Whelp. These ships were less than a hundred feet long and carried 10 to twelve guns. They were unhandy to sail and even less so to fight."

From:Here.

I neglected to thank Jim for the link. It answered a few questions I've had and it filled in some historical gaps of my own. Thank you, Jim.

[Silkie McDonough]

I tried to ignor the top 10 of anyone else and go with my gut. Sorry but I had to add ...here it is ...I spill my gut. :)

1. Pace/Pacer

2. Sisters - this implies there is another, perhaps near by

3. Buckram

4. Adamant - utterly unyielding ...Unyielding could be a good name also.

5. Satisfaction

6. Retaliation

7. Peregrine

8. Dispatch

9. Pandora ("all gifted")

10. Southernmost

...and one absolutely not!

Commerce NO! NO! NO!

[Gentleman of Fortune]

The 10 names that I liked....

Antelope

I LIKE IT!

Perhaps THE BEST mariner song written in the modern age

Listen Here

http://www.livetourartists.com/irish-desce...-privateers.mp3

but the best version is by Stan Rogers himself.... google and buy it.

O the year was 1778

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

A letter of marque came from the king

To the scummiest vessel I've ever seen

CHORUS

God damn them all

I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold

We'd fire no guns, shed no tears

Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier,

The last of Barrett's Privateers

2. O Elcid Barrett cried the town

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

For twenty brave men all fishermen who

Would make for him the Antelope's crew

God damn them all . . . .

3. The Antelope sloop was a sickening site

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

She'd list to the port and her sails in rags

And the cook in the scuppers with the staggers and jags

God damn them all . . . .

4. On the King's birthday we put to sea

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

Ninety-one days to Montego Bay

Pumping like madmen all the way

God damn them all . . . .

5. On the ninety-sixth day we sailed again

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

When a great big Yankee hove in sight

With our cracked four-pounders we made to fight

God damn them all . . . .

6. The Yankee lay low down with gold

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

She was broad and fat and loose in stays

But to catch her took the Antelope two whole days

God damn them all . . . .

7. Then at length she stood two cables away

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

Our cracked four-pounders made awful din

But with one fat ball the Yank stove us in

God damn them all . . . .

8. The Antelope shook and pitched on her side

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

Barrett was smashed like a bowl of eggs

And the main truck carried off both me legs

God damn them all . . . .

9. Now here I lay in my twenty-third year

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

It's been six years since we sailed away

And I just made Halifax yesterday

God damn them all . . . .

I vote for Antelope!

Greg aka GoF

***EDIT***

I am liking it more and more....

How about making "the Captain" Elcid Barret, a fictional person who is always "somewhere else". So when someone asks who or where the captain is you can say, "Captain Elcid Barret is in town trading for some supplies..."

I am chuckling now just thinking about it...

If you have not heard the song, go to your favorite MP3 download site and look for Barett's Privateers by Stan Rogers (though there are lots of versions available)

Kind of curious which one Hurricane likes the best...

GoF

[Silkie McDonough]

Aye lad, tis a grand song but I still don't like it as the name for our ship ...besides, I'd rather have us write our own song! LOL

Oh... wait... as a resident of the port city and not a member of the crew do I get any say?

[hurricane]

Kind of curious which one Hurricane likes the best...

GoF

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I personally liked the Raven... don't know why.... just rolls off the tongue nicely yet still has a slightly dark tone to it -- perhaps I'm haunted by Poe.

-- Hurricane

[Gentleman of Fortune]

Actually, I meant, "Which version of Barrett's Privateers you like the best".

Greg

[William Brand]

The 10 names that I liked....

Antelope

I LIKE IT!

Perhaps THE BEST mariner song written in the modern age

GoF

I agree. A very good song, and I have yet to hear it and not sing along, but can we have a theme song that begins, "O the year was 1778!" when the careening camp is 1720?

Although, since Greg has brought up, I love the idea of a camp song for our ship, whatever we call it. Some thing that sounds especially good when half the chorus is drunk.

[Dorian Lasseter]

We want a sloop that's a sickening sight?

as for the song, if we us the same 'melody' the chorus could easily be modified.

God damn them all

I was told we'd cruise the Main for Spanish gold

We'd fired our guns, showed no fears...

Line 3

Line 4

Best I can do at the moment...

Oh, and the opening lyric.

O, the years was 1722...