William Brand Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I am certain that I can. I would love to reproduce a map for the festival. So...Key west has been called Cayos de Guezo (Keys of Bone) and many other versions on the theme, such as Key Bone, Keys of Bones, Key of Bones, Bone Key and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I'm not sure if "guezo" is an early/alternate Spanish word for bone or if it is something else??? Checking Jim's database of online historical charts, the earliest we seem to have for Key West is 1850s. http://historicals.ncd.noaa.gov/historical...als/histmap.asp Keyword search on Key West. I'll see if I can find something somewhere worth sending your way. Worst case scenario, you could reverse engineer a modern edition of a chart. I think the public would get a kick out of if. My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I'm not sure if "guezo" is an early/alternate Spanish word for bone or if it is something else??? Checking Jim's database of online historical charts, the earliest we seem to have for Key West is 1850s. http://historicals.ncd.noaa.gov/historical...als/histmap.asp Keyword search on Key West. I'll see if I can find something somewhere worth sending your way. Worst case scenario, you could reverse engineer a modern edition of a chart. I think the public would get a kick out of if. I cross-referenced it in two places. It is a surname, but the early meaning of it is "bone". I'm already in the process of reverse engineering maps for several islands that have no period maps, and almost no modern ones either. For example, La Blanquilla is always just a blob on other charts, like a poorly rendered footnote, so I've had to reference google earth to get a good overhead image of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Ay Caramba! If England is/was at war with Spain so much during the period, I would find it odd to name an english ship, even a pirate ship, a Spanish name. I don't think that there were any Spanish names on the LOoooonG list posted above. GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 This is true. An English ship would never carry any name that was even vaguely Spanish in that period. At least I can't recall of any. My recommendation: Have everyone submit their five favorite names from a single list. Find those that appear on all the lists, narrow it to them and then vote. You can spend weeks on this when the only ones who will use it are yourselves. The public won't remember it two minutes after they leave the camp. Hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jim Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 From William's list: Tenth Whelp. Tenth Whelp? you ask. I give you: "The British first developed, in the 1620s, a class of ships called the Lyon Whelps Class to combat these Dunkirk Privateers and named them First Whelp, Second Whelp and so on up to Tenth Whelp. These ships were less than a hundred feet long and carried 10 to twelve guns. They were unhandy to sail and even less so to fight." From:Here. My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Another list... # Adamant # Adventure # Annapolis Rover # Asia # Belcour # Britania # Broke # Buckram # Caledonian # Cantabre # Caroline # Cesar # Charles Mary # Charles Mary Wentworth # Comet # Commerce # Crown # Dart # Delight # Diane # Dispatch # Dolphin # Dove # Dreadnought # Duchess of Argyle # Duke of Kent # Eagle # Earl of Dublin # Earl of London # Earl of Macclesfield # Edward # Eleanor # Eliza # Enterprise # Falmouth # Flora # Fly l # Flying Fish # Foster Barham # Foudroyant # Fox # Frances Mary # General Bowyer # General Smyth # George # Governor Carleton # Haldane # Halifax Rover # Hare # Hartford # sloop L'Heureux # Herald # Intrepid # Jack # Jane # Jason # John # Lawrence # Lively # Liverpool Packet # Lord Cornwallis # Lord Nelson # Lord Spencer # Loyalty # Lucy # Lunenburg # Marie Joseph # Mary # Matilda # Mayflower # Minerva # Miriam and Ann # Monckton # Montague # Musketo # Nelson # Nymph # Penobscot # Phoenix # Providence # Providence # Rasheigh # Rattler # Retaliation # Retrieve Windsor # la Revanche # Revenge # Rolla Liverpool # Rover # Royal Edward # Royal Fusiliers # Saucy 16 # Saucy Jack # Shannon # Sherbrooke # Signe # Sir Andrew Hammond # Sir Geo. Collier # Sir John Sherbrooke # Sir William Parker # Sisters # St. Charles # St. Joseph # Snapdragon # Star # Success # Swallow # Telegraph # Thinks I To Myself ---- This one amuses me # la Tourterelle # Triton # Union # la Victoire # la Vigilente # Wasp # Weazle # Wolverine # York # Young Phoenix Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Ay Caramba!If England is/was at war with Spain so much during the period, I would find it odd to name an english ship, even a pirate ship, a Spanish name. I don't think that there were any Spanish names on the LOoooonG list posted above. GoF A decidely good point and I'll concede that the ship should not bear a Spanish name. Though perhaps, for the sake of background, the sloop WAS named the Cayos de Guevo until it was captured and renamed by English pirates? Just a thought. Then it might be named anything new from Gullah to Dispatch. Once we've decided what the name of the boat should be, we should use the runner up as the name for the Sloop's smallboat, unless we would like to choose that now. I actually think Gullah would be the perfect name for the Sloop's smallboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Hand Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I went through the list and wrote the ten that I liked the best... then I read yesterdays post.... I thought we already decided not to use a Spanish name... (remember... Tibiron...Shark) I'm not totaly sure... but Southernmost is starting to grow on me..... It ties into Key West, and his a nice ring to it....... I think we have way too many names to choose from, and need to start narrowing the list down....... Then we can decide esactly what type of ship (I'm voting for a Sloop) The 10 names that I liked.... Antelope Charity Dolphin Duchess Peregrine Phoenix Prudent Mary Reuben Waterhound Welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 A ran down both lists and grabbed as many as I liked with a pure gut reaction. Adamant - It has a defiant sound to it. Centurion - It has a noble ring. It implies might and discipline. Crow - Simple. Carrion. Dark. Omens. What have you. Dispatch - I like the multiple meanings of the word. Fortune - Again, a nice double meaning. Herald - Also a few definitions within a word. Lively - I just liked it. Marmaduke - I may be biased. My first ancestor to arrive in the Americas, came aboard a ship named Marmaduke in 1611. Nightingale - I just like the simple, elegant sound of it. Peregrine - I happen to like falcons. Prosperous - Nice broad defining word. Phoenix - Fire. Rising from the ashes. What's not to like? Antelope - Elegant, but I might like Gazelle or Hart or Stag better. Satisfaction - It implies dark appetites, revenge, mirth Southernmost - As I've stated. The Key West tie-in. Star - Although, Northern Star or Dog Star or some other star might be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Of the list I posted.... I narrowed it down some... not to ten yet... Adamant Adventure Caroline Charles Mary Dart Diane Duchess of Argyle Eleanor Eliza Flora Fox Hare Jane Lucy Marie Joseph Mary Matilda Minerva Nymph Rattler Saucy 16 Shannon Snapdragon Swallow Thinks I To Myself ---- This one amuses me Weazle Mostly feminine names... And a Sloop... a Bermuda Sloop... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Hand Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Something I was thinking of for in the near future, (we still have a lot of stuff to figure out first) I once went to a Renaissance faire where they sold a little booklet/pamphlet telling all about their little "Village"(Welcome to our Shire). It contained a basic history of the area, and an overview of Elizabethan life. I was wondering if we could do something almost the same thing... We have a lot of talented artist/cartoonist, so we could all participate in creating a small booklet telling about our ship, what careening is, weapons, clothing and Pyrate history of what is happening in 1720... A basic booklet, 16 to 32 pages long on what we are doing as Pyrates. (One sheet of paper,printed on both sides, cut in half and folded makes eight 5 1/2" by 4 1/4" pages.) We would have to check with Harry about this part... But we could then sell the booklets, once we broke even on the printing cost, anything else would be donated to the Fort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I'm going to do draughts for the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Bottles Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I've been looking over this thread, because the concept of the camp fascinates me, even though I will not be attending any time soon. And I always thought that Pandora's Box might be a nice name for a pirate vessel... it seems esoteric or classic, but most people would understand the reference, and it has a hint of menace to it... but I just suggest, dear sirs. "The time was when ships passing one another at sea backed their topsails and had a 'gam,' and on parting fired guns; but those good old days have gone. People have hardly time nowadays to speak even on the broad ocean, where news is news, and as for a salute of guns, they cannot afford the powder. There are no poetry-enshrined freighters on the sea now; it is a prosy life when we have no time to bid one another good morning." - Capt. Joshua Slocum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Animals Antelope Crow Dolphin Fox Hare Nightingale Peregrine ---- Phoenix ---- Rattler Swallow Weazle ---- People's names Caroline Charles Mary Diane Duchess of Argyle Eleanor ---- Eliza Flora Jane Lucy ---- Marie Joseph Mary Matilda Minerva Prudent Mary Reuben Shannon ---- Other Adamant Adventure Centurion Dart Dispatch Fortune Herald Lively Marmaduke Nymph ---- Pandora's Box Prosperous Satisfaction Saucy 16 Snapdragon ---- Southernmost ---- Star Thinks I To Myself ---- Waterhound Welcome ---- denotes my top ten... for now... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I'm narrowing my list a bit more. Adamant Centurion Crow Dispatch Fortune Herald Peregrine Prosperous Phoenix Southernmost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Hand Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Well the lists are getting shorter....... Antelope Peregrine Crow (or Raven) Lucy Prudent Mary Southernmost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 From William's list: Tenth Whelp.Tenth Whelp? you ask. I give you: "The British first developed, in the 1620s, a class of ships called the Lyon Whelps Class to combat these Dunkirk Privateers and named them First Whelp, Second Whelp and so on up to Tenth Whelp. These ships were less than a hundred feet long and carried 10 to twelve guns. They were unhandy to sail and even less so to fight." From:Here. I neglected to thank Jim for the link. It answered a few questions I've had and it filled in some historical gaps of my own. Thank you, Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 I tried to ignor the top 10 of anyone else and go with my gut. Sorry but I had to add ...here it is ...I spill my gut. :) 1. Pace/Pacer 2. Sisters - this implies there is another, perhaps near by 3. Buckram 4. Adamant - utterly unyielding ...Unyielding could be a good name also. 5. Satisfaction 6. Retaliation 7. Peregrine 8. Dispatch 9. Pandora ("all gifted") 10. Southernmost ...and one absolutely not! Commerce NO! NO! NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 The 10 names that I liked....Antelope I LIKE IT! Perhaps THE BEST mariner song written in the modern age Listen Here http://www.livetourartists.com/irish-desce...-privateers.mp3 but the best version is by Stan Rogers himself.... google and buy it. O the year was 1778How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now A letter of marque came from the king To the scummiest vessel I've ever seen CHORUS God damn them all I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold We'd fire no guns, shed no tears Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier, The last of Barrett's Privateers 2. O Elcid Barrett cried the town How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now For twenty brave men all fishermen who Would make for him the Antelope's crew God damn them all . . . . 3. The Antelope sloop was a sickening site How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now She'd list to the port and her sails in rags And the cook in the scuppers with the staggers and jags God damn them all . . . . 4. On the King's birthday we put to sea How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now Ninety-one days to Montego Bay Pumping like madmen all the way God damn them all . . . . 5. On the ninety-sixth day we sailed again How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now When a great big Yankee hove in sight With our cracked four-pounders we made to fight God damn them all . . . . 6. The Yankee lay low down with gold How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now She was broad and fat and loose in stays But to catch her took the Antelope two whole days God damn them all . . . . 7. Then at length she stood two cables away How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now Our cracked four-pounders made awful din But with one fat ball the Yank stove us in God damn them all . . . . 8. The Antelope shook and pitched on her side How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now Barrett was smashed like a bowl of eggs And the main truck carried off both me legs God damn them all . . . . 9. Now here I lay in my twenty-third year How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now It's been six years since we sailed away And I just made Halifax yesterday God damn them all . . . . I vote for Antelope! Greg aka GoF ***EDIT*** I am liking it more and more.... How about making "the Captain" Elcid Barret, a fictional person who is always "somewhere else". So when someone asks who or where the captain is you can say, "Captain Elcid Barret is in town trading for some supplies..." I am chuckling now just thinking about it... If you have not heard the song, go to your favorite MP3 download site and look for Barett's Privateers by Stan Rogers (though there are lots of versions available) Kind of curious which one Hurricane likes the best... GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Aye lad, tis a grand song but I still don't like it as the name for our ship ...besides, I'd rather have us write our own song! LOL Oh... wait... as a resident of the port city and not a member of the crew do I get any say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Kind of curious which one Hurricane likes the best... GoF --------------------------------------------- I personally liked the Raven... don't know why.... just rolls off the tongue nicely yet still has a slightly dark tone to it -- perhaps I'm haunted by Poe. -- Hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Actually, I meant, "Which version of Barrett's Privateers you like the best". Greg Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 The 10 names that I liked....Antelope I LIKE IT! Perhaps THE BEST mariner song written in the modern age GoF I agree. A very good song, and I have yet to hear it and not sing along, but can we have a theme song that begins, "O the year was 1778!" when the careening camp is 1720? Although, since Greg has brought up, I love the idea of a camp song for our ship, whatever we call it. Some thing that sounds especially good when half the chorus is drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 We want a sloop that's a sickening sight? as for the song, if we us the same 'melody' the chorus could easily be modified. God damn them all I was told we'd cruise the Main for Spanish gold We'd fired our guns, showed no fears... Line 3 Line 4 Best I can do at the moment... Oh, and the opening lyric. O, the years was 1722... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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