Patrick Hand Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I was looking for info on Sea chest, and found this page.... Library of Fancywork and Knot Tutorials http://www.frayedknotarts.com/library.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jim Posted December 24, 2006 Author Share Posted December 24, 2006 Damn Patrick, you sure save me a lot of time on the 'net. My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jim Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Saved the image.... gotta enlarge it in Photoshop..... not dovetails.... but those notchy things at the corner to add more surface area for glue...... COOl................................. Hey... about 11 months untill next PiP...... gotta get a whole buncha stuff done by then............ edit:.... OH yah.... any ideas about the dementions of that chest..... or should I just guess at it........ Lo and behold, the dimensions are here. My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Hand Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I'll have to convert the metric to inches.... I found dementions for some later period sea cheast, and they come out kinda large... 3 feet long, by about 17-18" high, and wide.... I know they were where a Sailor kept all his stuff... but I might have to make one a little smaller... I'm still thinking about it tho, so my mind isn't "set" on that ... I'm just thinking about the problems with shipping something too large..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jim Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 I make it out to be 24.016"H x 17.992"D x 35.984"W, taken out to three decimals for reproduction accuracy. It would be nice to have some square-on, bottom and virtical shots, to extrapolate the arch of the top and wood dimensions, but that's asking a lot. My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kass Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Yeah, Pat, if you're shipping UPS, there's a LxWxD restriction and the package can't weigh more than I think 70lbs... Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Hand Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I think I'll have to make the dementions smaller for that reason... I think UPS has 110" maximum (Lenght + girth) Just figuring out dementions..... I have a wooden box that's 16x16x32 and an ammo box that's 16x14x23 I think the wood box is too large I might make it a little narrower than the ammo box, and maybe 2 1/2' instead of 3' tho... I'm still figuring it out... but I think it will be much smaller than a real sea chest would be.....(Not even thinking about the weight yet...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 that looks almost exactly like the one i brought with me from scotland (and i know it's over 100 years old it was my grandfather's built by his father in the 1890's and used on the fishingboats until i came to the states in 1967-68)...and about the same size too .....i have been working on several new ones for myself and the lad with fancy carved handles instead of rope beckets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Hand Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Wonem in the Careening Camp.... Part of my personna, is that I am slightly litterate... my Father was a printer (so I can spell kinda sorta.... but backwards)....not that I can spell anyway,,, But thar (sorry Kass and Blackjohn bout the bad lingo)..... But thar I am.... I wanna buy some paper.... I like writting and drawwing.. I got some money, and I'm going ter be spendin' it...... right befor I go ter get me rum...... (well then it's all gone......) SO I find a shop wot sells paper.... and who is the clerk.... WOH A WOMAN.. ,,(remember ... i've been to Sea fer a long tyme.... so nice woman... behave kinda thing....) I only wanna buy some paper (the hornys be another thing)..... I can find the whore.... but how would I act when I meet a "nice" lady...... I think I'd "fall" all over myself......trying to be as good as my Mother taught me to be......(with Whores different story) SO... what other Women would be trying to get a shair of the Pyrate loot..... Shop (well assistans and such).............. Dang... not doing good at this.... KASS come save me........ I know there were women durring the Golden Age of Pyracy..... some good (and some verry good... but seee I'm getting off topic...) but there were the other kinda good women durring the time period.... Dang Kass ..... save me...... What I'm trying to get at.... is ... Can we figure out a way to do something at he Fort, to show "the women of the Goulden Age..." I'm not doing good at explaining the idea.... but I think it has some good points................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 No Patrick, you aren't. I like the idea but there would be no respecable women in the careening camp that I can think of. In the port but not in the camp itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jim Posted December 30, 2006 Author Share Posted December 30, 2006 Actually, if a pyrate ship were careening near or even relatively far from a town, shopkeepers and others would come to sell wares or buy stock from the pyrates. Many, many folks were not hostile to pyrates as they helped to lower the cost of business. Black market goods = large profits in shop. The references are not at my fingertips, but trade goods were the major part of hauls: sugar, rhum, bales of fabric. Turning this into gold meant trade and that means towns. Women in the camp trading or mending or cooking in trade for plundered items is historically supportable. The women of the night would come, well, at night. And maybe stay for breakfast. I would be loath to exclude anyone who attempts period garb, even if we have six Bonney/Read characters in camp, the arguments presented in Twill notwithstanding. That's not in the first year plan. The first year we build numbers and interest. Portrayals and numerical accuracy would be addressed for years two-three. Besides, the Bonney/Read characters have been taken by players in the trial. That having been said, there is a lot of time for those interested to develop appropriate characters and learn the skills needed to portray them, even if they want to portray men, and not women passing as men. That does not mean women can’t fire the guns or cannon. Women often defended the home front when the men were gone, which means that you would have to side with the English. (Now why didn’t we think of that last year?) Women, at least on this side of the pond, knew how to fire guns because they were on the frontier. My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Thenk you Jim. I'm liking the idea or portraing myself like a woman more and more but there is still the issue of the blasted skirt and bodice and all that hot humid weather! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Actually, if a pyrate ship were careening near or even relatively far from a town, shopkeepers and others would come to sell wares or buy stock from the pyrates. Many, many folks were not hostile to pyrates as they helped to lower the cost of business. Black market goods = large profits in shop. This is very true, at least if you talk to the historians in Newport, RI... they swear that it was the pirates that traded in their area that not only helped establish the town but actually made it a very wealthy, upper class place to live. The problem was that once the townsfolk grew wealthy off of the pirates, they decided to oust them... Newport claims they had one of the largest mass hangings of pirates in history... if I remember correctly they hanged 42 in one day....I have no idea how accurate their claim is... they also claim Thomas Tew was one of the major contributors to the area and that the tunnels beneath the White Horse Tavern were dug by pirates as well... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Hand Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 We got kinda side-tracked again.... We never did figure out the name of the ship that we are from.... I still like the Speedwell....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jim Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 I'm with you Patrick. It sounds period (no one uses words in that way anymore) and its not overtly "piratey." Its the kind of name that you would give to a ship that you love. As for getting sidetracked, breaks over: back to work! Now that the holiday season is over we can concentrate on the more important aspects of our lives such as pyracy. How about we come up with basic lists of clothing, one for men, one for women suitable to keep one clothed and warm over a period of a week (if you get there on Monday.) My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I'll add a bit here.... Speedwell is too often used... I've seen it used in fiction too many times.... Look through this site, there are many references and ship's names; http://fortress.uccb.ns.ca/search/LsbgEvents.html I'll dig around for more... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Some more ship names, though I'm more interested in choosing the type of ship first. I vote for a Bermuda built sloop. http://www.cronab.demon.co.uk/INTRO.HTM Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 If it helps you all to have a few choices, this is from a list of English ships employed in fleet operations during the First Anglo-Dutch War. Acorn Advantage Adventure Adventure Advice Amity Andrew Angel Ann and Joyce Ann Piercy Antelope Anthony Bonaventure- Arms of Holland Assistance Assurance Batchelor Bear Benjamin Blossum Bonaventure Brazil Centurion Charity Charles Chase Constant Anne Constant Warwick Convert Convertine Crescent Crow Cullen Culpepper Cygnet Diamond Discovery Dolphin Dragon Dragoneer Duchess Eagle Eastland Merchant Elizabeth Elizabeth and Anne Employment Entrance Essex Exchange Exchange Exeter Merchant Expedition Fairfax Falcon Falmouth Foresight Fortune Four Sisters Garland George George Bonaventure Gift Giles Gillyflower Globe Golden Dove Golden Fleece Greyhound Guinea Half Moon Hamburgh Merchant Hampshire Hannibal Heartsease Hercules Hopeful Luke Hound Hunter Increase Industry James John and Abigail John and Elizabeth John and Katherine Jonathan Katherine Kentish King Ferdinando Laurel Leopard Levant Merchant Lewis Lion Lisbon Merchant Little Charity Little President London Loyalty Maidenhead Malaga Merchant Marmaduke Martha Martin Mary Mary Prize Mary Rose Matthias Mayflower Merlin Mermaid Middleburg Newcastle Nichodemus Nightingale Nonsuch Oak Old Warwick Paradox Paragon Paul Pearl Pelican Peregrine Peter Phoenix Phoenix Plover Portland Portsmouth President Prosperous Providence Providence Prudent Mary Rainbow Raven Recovery Reformation Renown Resolution Reuben Richard and Martha Richard and William Roebuck Ruth Samaritan Sampson Samuel Samuel Talbot Sapphire Sarah Satisfaction Seven Brothers Society Sophia Sovereign Speaker Star Stork Success Sussex Swan Tenth Whelp Thomas and Lucy Thomas and William Thomas Bonaventure Tiger Triumph Tulip Unity Vanguard Victory Victory Violet Waterhound Welcome William William and John William and Thomas Worcester    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Hand Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Dang... that's some list...... I think I'll go through it and pick the ones that I like, and see if anyone else agrees..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Perhaps we are going about the name of the ship all wrong. Perhaps we need to choose a name that is specific to the area. Examples... We could call the ship The Southernmost, which is a nickname for Key West. Or Cayo Hueso, the original Spanish name for Key West. Cayo Hueso (pronounced kī-yo-way-so) means "bone key", because it is said that the island was littered with the remains (bones) from an Indian battlefield or burial ground.    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Here's another name to toss out: Gullah My first sailboat was named "Gullah." Here's a link to its reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullah Harry Fort Taylor.org ------- Fort Taylor Pyrate Fest MySpace Page Master Hairbone's MySpace Page ------- There is no more equitable judge than a cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Cayo Hueso is really growing on me already. Perhaps it's the historical material behind the name. When people ask us, 'Why, Cayo Hueso?', we can tell them that is the original name which the Spanish gave the island. Not to mention the amount of Spanish influences in coin, fleets, and history in the Caribbean. Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 You may find this of interest...   Popular legend has always held that Key West received the name Cayo Huesso (Spanish for "Bone Key") at some point in the late 18th century. However, a Spanish Document from the State Archive In North Carolina dated June 14, 1681 refers to "the enemy gathering at Cayo de Guesas" in order to invade Havana. In the nineteenth century, especially after 1821, when Florida became a U.S. Territory, Key West developed into the major center of population and commerce of South Florida.  Geographic Location:     Located at the southern terminus of U.S. Highway 1.   References:     1733 Spanish shipwreck chart shows Cayos de Guezo. Antonio de Arredondo chart (1742) shows Cayo Gueso. Juan de Liguera chart (1742) shows Cayo de Huesos. Father Alaña's chart (1743) shows Cayo de Guesos. Thomas Jefferys' chart (1769) shows West Kay. O'Carol Plano (1770) shows Cayo de Muessos. DeBrahm Chart (1772) shows Hueso. The Gauld-Faden chart (1790) shows "Cayo Huesso commonly called Kay West." Blunt chart (1846) shows Thompson's Island, Port Rogers, or Key West. http://keys.fiu.edu/gazetteer/00000338.htm Fwiw, technically, Key West is not in the Caribbean. From an international boundary perspective, if memory serves, it is actually in the Atlantic. My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Thank you, John. Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Sure. I thought you might find it interesting or maybe useful in some way. If I could find a period chart of that area for you I'd send it your way. Not that my vote matters, but I like the idea of a bermuda sloop with that name. On the other hand, I'm also fond of the name Merry Christmas. Hmmm... you are handy with a pen and ink. If I send you a copy of a modern chart, do you think you could copy it/turn it into a 1720 version? My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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