Misery Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 This place has beautiful gonnes/ petronels/ wheellocks matchlocks/wheelloksflintlocks/ and doglocks and from what ive seen the prices are right ::drools:: http://sykesutler.home.att.net/ Now go out there and give em what for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorg Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 That is a great site....also check out: http://www.castings.fsbusiness.co.uk/ which supplies the previous site with some of their stuff...though I gather there is a problem with the gonnes. Probably more "war on terror" fallout. Can't have evil terrorsits attacking the pentagon with 14th century handcannon, now can we Drop a kitten six feet, and she grins... Drop an elephant six feet, and ya gots yerself a mess ta clean up.... Sometimes bein' the biggest and most powerful is the LAST thing you wanna be..... Mad Ozymandias Zorg the Unsnottered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Great looking stuff indeed from Sykes. I particular like that Littlecote blunderbuss. :) Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pirata Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Why are images of braveheart coming to mind??? Pushing the limits means getting out of my comfort zone and giving more when I don't think I have any left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 I don't know, Pirata; he was late 13th - early 14th century; Syke's stuff is mostly 17th. Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Great now on top of a LeMat I want a paddle butt match lock and a pair of wheel lock pistols. I repeat any body know of bank that'll make a loan for some guns!!!!!!!!! THIS BE THE HITMAN WE GOIN QUIET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorg Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 any body know of bank that'll make a loan for some guns!!!!!!!!! Ask washington. They'll go inta debt fer anythin ta do with gonnes. Drop a kitten six feet, and she grins... Drop an elephant six feet, and ya gots yerself a mess ta clean up.... Sometimes bein' the biggest and most powerful is the LAST thing you wanna be..... Mad Ozymandias Zorg the Unsnottered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt'n Jack Sparrow Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Does anyone here carry a real Flintlock? I am just ichen to buy one =) Most run about $1,000 and up for a real 1700's one. ahh slave to fashion. Most of been Terrible for you Jack , It bloody well is now! - Capt'n Jack Sparrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascabel Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Does anyone here carry a real Flintlock? I am just ichen to buy one =)Most run about $1,000 and up for a real 1700's one. ahh slave to fashion. The only guns myself and a lot of others carry are real functional flintlocks. Do you perhaps mean original antique flintlocks? >>>>> Cascabel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Does anyone here carry a real Flintlock? I am just ichen to buy one =)Most run about $1,000 and up for a real 1700's one. ahh slave to fashion. Hmm, unless ye are lookin' fer a wall-hanger, Ye'd best steer for functional replicas, as with edged weapons, originals are a bit 'historical' to be firin' and such.. Many manufacturers and suppliers, in the 150.00 to 400.00 range, plus accessories.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt'n Jack Sparrow Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 But the new ones still are missing that something....ah nice old flintlock has that yummy used look Most of been Terrible for you Jack , It bloody well is now! - Capt'n Jack Sparrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 What yer talkin'n about is sweat, oil, and black powder spooge. A couple of weekends on the range, or a couple of good re-enactment weekends can get rid of that new look right well. I wouldn't be willing to shoot an original. Every shot could blow the barrel, break springs, even break bigger parts. Age, rust, and lack of care does funny things to metal, which probably wasn't the best to start with. Some people do, I know, but unless you are really familiar with firearms, I wouldn't recommend it. Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt'n Jack Sparrow Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Oh I understand completly Hawkyns, I would only uses ah antique for carrying never for firing, I like my fingers where they are As for new, I did find a place out of Canada that made some nice looking Heavy Dragoons but they where not silver mounted =p Most of been Terrible for you Jack , It bloody well is now! - Capt'n Jack Sparrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbados Jack Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Mate; While living in another time period I used to carry an original cavalry carbine. I soon learned that even without firing it I was wearing off very important markings and submitting it to abuse that would make it lose it's value. i wouldn't advise even carrrying it for show. Barbados Jack **** When daylight fades, Darkness prevails**** ** Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez ** " We sail within a vast sphere, Ever drifting in uncertainty, Driven from end to end" - Pascal- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 I've seen and handled some real flintlocks in my time, because my Dad was an avid gun collector for many years. I agree with what Barbados Jack mentioned about not handling it too much, or wearing an orginal antique. If your going to plan on wearing it, consider where, when, how often, and if they allow it. Most places I've been for enactment/faires don't like firearms of any type. Double check, and consider that it might get confenscated by security if you do wear it. Also, fully functional flintlocks are classified as a firearm, you have to check the local laws, when wearing it. Just as with knives and daggers, we've had past problems taking them to faires in the car because of disgruntled cops looking to stop us. If you want to live the history I love you for it, but do it without damaging a part of history. If it's lasted 300 years, then make sure it's here another 300. :) Izzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Salem Bob' Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Most places I've been for enactment/faires don't like firearms of any type. Double check, and consider that it might get confenscated by security if you do wear it. Also, fully functional flintlocks are classified as a firearm, you have to check the local laws, when wearing it. Ahoy Izzy, Regarding flintlocks and their legal status. They are *not* considered firearms according to Federal law (they are considered 'antiques or collectables', and are exempt from federal firearms laws, as indeed all pre 1898 designed blackpowder weapons that do not have a self-contained metallic cartridge are). About the only places you will have problems with *open* carry of such relics are possibly New Jersey, New York City (and some state parks), and crossing the border into Canada. If you have the firearm carried in any way constuable as 'concealed carry', and the local constabulary is looking for an excuse to take you in, then you can indeed be in for a world of hurt legally speaking. A Ren Fair might well have some obtuse regulation, contradictory to State or Federal regulation, demanding not posessing one while attending (as may some local ordinances, which are likely in violation of both Federal Law and State Constitution in most cases, and begging to be challenged) - they might be able to eject you, but they cannot have you arrested for possession of the firelock (so long as you are abiding by whatever state regulations cover possession of said blackpowder weapon), unless you do not leave quiietly and open yourself up to a 'disturbing the peace' charge. If they had you arrested, they could open themselves up to a wrongful arrest suit. I have never seen or heard of anything that a reenactor would recognize as a reenactment where time period appropriate firearms were forbidden - it's kind of hard to have what is by definition a reenactment without them. The only exception being Canada, where one cannot bring a blackpowder muzzle loading pistol across the border that is functional - you could legally bring an otherwise fully functional one across the border that did not have the touch hole drilled. I know dozens and dozens of reenactors personally who bring fully functional blackpowder muzzle-loading firearms across the border either way (Canadian or American citizens), without the slightest bit of trouble. They are far more concerned that said reenactors are not being paid for putting on a demonstration (requiring a green card for a Canadian citizen in the US), or actual contraband is being sent across the border without a proper duty paid - they don't look twice at the musket, but say 'oh, your a reenactor - have a pleasant stay'. this is all post 9/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misery Posted January 22, 2004 Author Share Posted January 22, 2004 issabella I dont know where your located but in nevada and califronia as long as you have proof you are in a re-enactment group (such as a membership card for the sca) and are on your way to an event or home they cant do anything more than hassle you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redd Oktober Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Ohhhhh That's it! Redd's savin' up for a blunderbuss!! YARRR! The Oktober be silent now! Just call me "REDD!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 A few passing thoughts: I wouldn't even consider firing an original black powder piece, unless I understood the weapon on the level of a BP-specialist gunsmith. Even then, I'd pull the trigger remotely. I wouldn't carry an original either; why take the chance of getting it wet, dirty, or worn, thereby decreasing its value? (The same holds for WHY I'd want to fire the original BP piece). As far as carrying a functional reproduction piece; be sure of state and local laws, and POLICIES! In New York State, e.g., a BP pistol is regarded as a modern firearm. Also, even if the law allows you to have a firearm, the proprietor of the private premises is within his rights in saying nay. This would include events, faires, etc. Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt'n Jack Sparrow Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 I do understand everyone’s concern with old flicntlocks,BP etc.. But given the price of new BP flintlocks are the same or more then antique ones. The new ones that are in good price range are not very good looking. I guess this would be like a toy collector who won’t open the box so not to kill value, the lost of value does not bother me for the sole reason I got it is to holdit, not for it to never see the light of day again. I use a good repo at shows it looks real and haven’t had a problem so far as law etc. in NC, GA. Most of been Terrible for you Jack , It bloody well is now! - Capt'n Jack Sparrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Frye Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 I do understand everyone’s concern with old flicntlocks,BP etc.. But given the price of new BP flintlocks are the same or more then antique ones. The new ones that are in good price range are not very good looking. I guess this would be like a toy collector who won’t open the box so not to kill value, the lost of value does not bother me for the sole reason I got it is to holdit, not for it to never see the light of day again.I use a good repo at shows it looks real and haven’t had a problem so far as law etc. in NC, GA. I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying here, Capt'n Jack, but the value of an old piece isn't just in the amount of money it brings. It's a piece of history. If destroyed, it cannot be recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt'n Jack Sparrow Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 It's a piece of history. If destroyed, it cannot be recovered. Ok lets put it like this. How many musket balls are found in Ga., alone in other Southern states? A lot. Are they Historic, you bet. I have seen some guns never used or taken out of their dueling box. Are they old yep, part of History? I wouldnt think so, they sat in a box for 300 years. Mite as well have been a rock collection or a silverware set collecting dust in some glass case. My mother was an Antique collector, and her house itself was Antique (Antebellum 1853). Part of History? You bet! (to many storys to list) Is it being used as a home? Damn tooten!! As well as the Antiques beds and everything else in the home. I use to ask my mother this question -"So that table was made in 1861?"... "Yes".."What about the tree it was made from, wasnt it older?".."Yes".."Wouldnt the tree be the Antique?"... =) Most of been Terrible for you Jack , It bloody well is now! - Capt'n Jack Sparrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 I do understand everyone’s concern with old flicntlocks,BP etc.. But given the price of new BP flintlocks are the same or more then antique ones. The new ones that are in good price range are not very good looking. Not sure what you mean here. There are lots of good repro pistols in the 3-5 hundred dollar range. Originals in good shape are in the 1-5 thousand range. The fancier the piece, the more $$$$$$ If you've got a source of good originals for less than $750, please do let me know. I have some original blades, 2 of which I carry routinely. But I look carefully at the event. Bad weather, or security problems and they stay home. Lots of people with dirty fingers, and they don't leave the scabbard (can we EVER get people to respect steel and not keep their damn fingers off the blades?). I think my problem with carrying period pistols is that there is no protected way to carry it. Holsters aren't correct, so it gets stuffed in the belt or hung around the neck on cords. They get bashed and scuffed far beyond an acceptable level. Wood chips, steel breaks, and small parts get lost. Either way, it's no longer worth what I paid for it, and it just doesn't look as good anymore. Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Bottles Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 I understand your point about toys, but I do not think it is a particularly apt analogy. Do I open the box when I get a toy? Yes. Do I open the box when I get a toy from 1828? No, of course not. If all you want is a toy, or something to look good, commission something, but don't buy an original. As Deacon Frye notes, if something is destroyed, it cannot be recovered. And that means that the quality of repros will only decline, if one more original ceases to be. I was a little put off to find out some of the weapons used in POTC were originals. It just seemed so irresponsible. "The time was when ships passing one another at sea backed their topsails and had a 'gam,' and on parting fired guns; but those good old days have gone. People have hardly time nowadays to speak even on the broad ocean, where news is news, and as for a salute of guns, they cannot afford the powder. There are no poetry-enshrined freighters on the sea now; it is a prosy life when we have no time to bid one another good morning." - Capt. Joshua Slocum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 One must also consider why one owns collectors pieces to begin with. Although I value mine extremely, I'll carry them when the mood strikes..It's my perrogative, just as in POTC. Leave them for my grandchildren to mind??..Already tried that, mate. your heirs may not have the same fascination as you were when alive. So, find your own level of enjoyment for your collectibles, but please dont tell me how to or not to enjoy mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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