Dutchman

matusalem, my mother and siblings grew up behind walkers island. Gramp was a founder of the yachtclub. Grandparents sold the property at least 30 years ago. i barely remember the place. the house just recently sold though. was a barn then a girls school. if you leave the herreshoff yard and head towards the hope bridge, it is a big white house with green garage doors on the right just past the turn in the road past the lobster pot. Mom grew up playing on the spars of j-boats. *sigh* I pay homage to the brothers every time I go out to the barn. 12 1/2 number 466 is sitting waiting to be re-caulked and in need of a new transom. one day i'll get to it.

http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm2902014/resume check towards the bottom.

another thing that tickled me was sounding under full sail. my goodness, by the time the lead hit, they would have been hundreds of yards past the mark and dragging it along the bottom. eh, guess i'm nitpicking now. T'was a good movie and i hope they make a sequel. edit** blackhearted pearl, you snuck in while i was typing. what a great venture that must have been. there are lots who are certainly envious. even under iron genoa, it still must have been quite the time.

Was wowona not in wooden boat magazine a year or so ago??

has anyone bothered to google the name? mighty interesting read. Warranted looking elsewhere for some info. This mystery person has either done their homework and does not mind playing with fire or does not know much about his namesake. All I can say is, either way, they are braver than I!!!!

it also knocks out all three of the jamestown boats, My own back yard. I think only two of them were built stateside anyhow- may be wrong though. I thought about that, but to make the list noteworthy- over 100 feet on deck. Then we get into exactly what makes it a tall ship anyhow. Case in point, maryland dove, three from jamestown, sultana, friends good will. are they really tall ships or traditionally rigged, called tall ships by the public. I have a 42 foot sloop whos mast is taller than the smallest from jamestown. therefor if we call all three from jamestown tall ships- which happens at festivals- is mine also a tall ship?

The master and commander thread wandered a bit, my appologies. The topic lead to the keel laying of ships. east coast v/s west coast style. To qualify as a tall ship lets say at least 100 feet on deck, traditional rig and a woody. (sorry royaliste, this knocks us both out- but we shall soon have enough for a Rosborough traditional rigged rendezvous!! huzzah!!!) So east coast we have so far Rose, Kalmar Nykel, Schooner Virginia, Pride of Baltimore I & II, Pride of South Carolina, anything from the Herreshoff yard over 100 feet.

fair nough then. lets give this thread back to Master and commander and start a new one just on the ships. Now attention to detail on master and commander. My favorite scene and ya got to be quick to catch it. Durring the beginning of the snow storm look closely just below the bowsprit as she passes by. there is a sailor on the rail with his pants down trying to take care of nature, freezing to death and haging on for dear life.

for having access to all these sources, can anyone identify the pistol butts in cheekys picture? cut off their buttons????? Having not seen the article, I may be taking that one out of context.

thanks, I'll probably bring some pieces to Beaufort. Definitely have pictures and a few of the work gang are going as well. Her hull is 2 inch cedar on oak frames. Almost all of the frames need to be replaced, but the cedar planks are hard as nails. We are busting 1/4 inch thick stainless marine fasteners like they are toothpicks. She was originally a ketch, but we are adding a combed aft deck and rigging her as a bermuda sloop instead. Currently, we are toying with four four pounders and a couple of railguns for firepower- but that is VERY speculative right now. We need to get her floating first. I've got my block of wood drying for the figurehead and hope to be able to start on that in the next few months.

so east coast laid keels claim rose, kalmar nykel, schooner virginia, and anything from the herreshoff yard- that should be a class unto itself. add as you wish folks. West coast- what ya got?

Abdikarim, how is the soccer in somalia these days?

doooh, thanks sterling. not sure how that one got missed. I'll set the webmaster on it ASAP. Indeed, she is to be outfitted late 1600's- early 1700's. It's been great, people have heard about the project and have produced all sorts of "extras" from old boats that were destroyed.

oh east coast v/s west coast----- Tall ships that is. I'm in on this one!!! To trully lay claim to her, where was the Rose built?

hey, i'm high speed. i got a new string for the tin cans! the camera thingy is next. it still beats my drawings

woo hoo!! hot digity i finally figured this picture thing out!!!!!

well folks, I have finally gotten off my duff and posted a couple new pictures of our project, LUNA. She is Royalistes sister. the pictures are looking forward, aft and down to the aft cabin. Now that the cover is over we were able to rip the rotten cabin and quarter deck off. now the fun begins!! To see the whole project visit www.colonialseaport.org of course, i used the camera phone so it looks horrible but you get the idea.

uh, i don't know what would be worse. an angry madam grace or an angry lady malice- or worse, havin em both angry at the two of us.

Barnaby, I like jelly beans.... decided on mexican for dinner. Taco salad from Qdoba's.

barnaby, only because its in the candy bowl in your office. I'll try to get there next week.... I'm looking at the chinese take out menu deciding....

coffee was indeed around. from 1718 vice admiralty report: seized from a pyrate vessel (late nov, don't know who though, bummer) brought to kegouhtan- now hampton roads. 2 casks whiskey 1 hhd Brown Sugar Quantity 1 cask cofffe The sloop and furniture another from 1735 lists coffe as 1 Bag of Coffee 128lbs, 1 Box Chocolate 40lbs....... an interesting note is when coffee and chocolate are listed, the chocolate is almost always inventoried immediately after the coffee. maybe there is a clue here how it was consumed at the time. we brew the coffee in camp by placing the beans in a muslin bag, hammering the beans then tossing the bag into a pot to boil.

well, no idea about master and commander. but if newport wants a ship back, i was aboard the ORIGINAL Black Pearl last winter in Conn. Not the POTC one, but the original one that sat outside the Black Pearl Restaurant on the wharf at Newport. Almost bought her, but there seemed to be some strings attatched so we walked. She was in rough shape then, so unless someone has done something with her she is probably colse to being a dumpster project now. Now a sequel to M&C!!!! now that would be right up my ally. I'd rather see that than other possible sequels. Heck, I'd even splurge for a bucket o popcorn for me lady on that one.

From the Chesapeake Journal via barnaby wilde....... Let's go back millions of years 10, maybe 14 million years, to the Miocene and Eocene epochs. What ultimately became the Chesapeake was then a shallow, subtropical sea, stretching along a sandy coast with barrier islands and embayments, perhaps like the Baja California today. This nameless sea in the distant past was a calving ground for several species of cetaceans: baleen or filter-feeding whales, fish-capturing toothed whales, porpoise and even manatees. Their relatively defenseless young were easy prey for many species of sharks. Some sharks, like the giant Charcaradon megalodon, were 35 feet long with phalanxes of teeth, the largest of which reached 7 inches. Shift scenes to the present where the eroding cliffs and shorelines of the modern Chesapeake still relinquish millions of fossil shark's teeth-and the ribs, vertebrae and other bones of those long extinct cetaceans. They've been the delight of children and of serious fossil collectors since the 19th century. But to early colonists, who had no concept of geologic time, these fossils, and the shells embedded in the cliffs were a great puzzlement. "Within the shoares of our rivers, whole bancks of oysters and scallopps, which lye unopened and thick together, as if there had bene their natural bedd before the sea left them." - George Percy "Discourse of Virginia ," 1606 Whales were an important resource in a world before oil wells and cheap petroleum supplies. Whale hunters took the rich, fatty insulating tissues surrounding the whales' bodies and "tryed" -melted in cauldrons-them to extract fine oils to be used for lubrication or to burn in lamps. Apart from the occasional natural strandings, these marine mammals had to be hunted. However angrily we view whaling today, in the 16th and 17th centuries this fishery provided valuable products and was a true contest between species. It required great courage and respect to conquer these massive creatures in a small boat with simple, hand-thrown harpoon and lance. John Smith's first sentence on marine living resources in the Chesapeake reads: "Of fish we were best acquainted with sturgeon, grampus (a small toothed whale -perhaps the pilot whale) porpoise, seals (and) stingrays whose tails are very dangerous." The Virginia colonists were poor fishermen early on and had slim luck even feeding themselves, let alone whaling. After leaving Virginia, our resourceful explorer John Smith spent time in England but returned to the New World where he failed as a whaler in Latitude 43 degrees 39 minutes North, lamenting: "Had the fishing for whale proved as we expected, I (would have) stayed in the country..." Later, some Chesapeake colonists began to take stranded whales successfully around the Bay mouth, trying out the blubber from whales towed into the bay and "flensed" or "cut out" in Virginia 's creeks. In 1692, Governor Copley of Maryland commissioned one Edward Green of Somerset County as a whaling officer to secure these "drift whales" and defend Maryland's interests against those of neighboring colonies. One whale that came ashore on Smith's Isle at Cape Charles in 1747 yielded 30 barrels of oil. Cutting out a whale is dirty business and releases into the water immense amounts of blood and organic materials that consume life-giving oxygen and produce a terrible stench. Proceedings of the Middlesex Court in Virginia in 1698 forbade the killing of whales in Chesapeake Bay because the fishery wastes "caused great quantities of fish to poysoned and destroyed and the rivers made also noisome and Offensive." This was one of the Colonial government's first legal actions against water pollution in the Bay. Rules notwithstanding, whales occasionally entered the Bay and nosed up into her tributaries. In 1746, a 54-footer was spied from a Scottish vessel lying off Jamestown . Pursuing it in their ship's boat, the mariners drove the poor beast ashore and killed it. In 1751, the sloop "Experiment" was fitted out at Norfolk and in May the Virginia Gazette reported that she'd taken a valuable whale which was expected to "give Encouragement to the further Prosceution of the Design" and "will tend very much to the Advantage of the Colony." The "Experiment" took another profitable six whales during the ensuing year, but historian Pierce Middleton indicates neither Maryland nor Virginia subsequently pursued any whale fishery. While the ancient fossil manatees were gone millions of years before the colonists arrived, in 1676, Thomas Glover reported "a most prodigious Creature, much resembling a man" in the Rappahannock . It was most likely a manatee. More recently, a manatee was sighted in August 1980 off the Georgetown Canoe Club in the District of Columbia . Caught in the Chesapeake by falling autumn temperatures, the poor creature was found two months later dead of "starvation and pneumonia" near Hampton City . In the past few years, "Chessie," a Florida manatee, has repeatedly visited the Bay and created much excitement during his cruises up-and down-the coast. Sea turtles, mostly the loggerheads, but also Kemp's Ridley, and the occasional big leatherback have frequented the Bay for millennia, occasionally straying as far North as Hooper Straits or Calvert Cliffs. John White painted one of those, beautifully, in 1585-and he also painted both the diamondback terrapin and our familiar box turtle, calling it: "A land Tort(ise) w'ch the Sauages esteeme aboue all other Torts" Though this is far north in their current range, loggerheads enter the Chesapeake in spring as the Bay's water warms. Even today, on Virginia 's much-developed beaches, perhaps nine a year still dig nests and lay their eggs. Sea turtles were popular quarry for sailing ship mariners long at sea without fresh meat and, turned on their backs, could be carried alive, if miserable, on deck quite some time, if occasionally sluiced down with seawater. Archaeological excavations at the recently discovered original site of Jamestown 's fortifications turned up the remains of a sea turtle feast by those recently arrived colonists. Our attitudes toward all the cetacean-marine mammals-and at least the sea-going turtles have changed from perceiving them as quarry to asking how we can help them prosper. This is an attitude we would do well to offer to other species, and other parts of the Bay's natural infrastructure, which we have abused or ignored these nearly 400 years. Dr. Kent Mountford is an environmental historian and estuarine ecologist.

michael, are you offering to bring some to b-town then!!

ACKKK!!!! WHAT DID YOU DO TO THAT PRETTY LITTLE PEROGUE????? Its all metal!!! Just kidding..... its always fun to watch projects evolve. I'll try to get some pics of luna this weekend and post them. we finally got a cover over her and are ripping the main and quarter decks off this weekend.