Tartan Jack

With the "Pirate Round" and the colonialization of both the Americas and India by the British and the trade between the homeland and the colonies, I was wondering about India-Indians (as opposed to "American-Indians") to on pirate ships in the Golden Age or the late 1690s-1720s. Are there any specific recorded examples?

If so, who and what were they? Pirates? Servants? Just captives?

Does the plank hanging over the edge of the wharf have writing on the one end? If so, can anyone read it?

It is certainly marked, but not sure what it is supposed to say. It looks like "S A P J43" to just take a guess. Is it possibly the artist's mark?

Also, the white bale has 3 marks on it:

On the left is what looks like 2 lambdas like an M and a cross on top (The tan bail has the same and a 13 to its right)

On the right side, the top one looks like a I and H merged and the bottom is N 31

The black round-topped box nect to it has a white rectangle on the lid side. Paper ID label?

What is the cylinder on its top (who wants to venture a guess)?

After a (tiny) bit of looking, I saw which ships played the QAR and Providence:

Queen Anne's Revenge: Sunrise (formerly played the Black Pearl)

HMS Providence: HMS Surprise (modified HMS Rose replica converted for Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World)

Finally saw it.

Overall, enjoyable. I kept laughing, though. So much was WAY over the top, completely outta-date, or just wrong that it was close to slap-stick some of the time. Oh, and the 1801-on British flag was sometimes upside-down-interesting to me. Also, George II was German born, raised, and educated with German as his native language. He was played as a bit of an English baffoon (by a GREAT English actor), probably best known in the US for his more recent comedic roles. George I didn't speak English (or care much for the British throne besides its additional power and money.

I did like the many cameos of well known British actors.

The Queen Anne's Revenge was an interesting artistic design, but terribly period-inaccurate and cartoon-ish. The HMS Providence was better. Even the 1750-ish date people are giving this film make the wheel less of an issue to me. From Blackjohn's comment, I was expecting a wheel on a ketch, sloop, or the like. Here, the 2 shown main vessels are both 2-masted ships. (The Spanish are shown, but not much.) Historically, the wheel was just showing up in the 17-teens and on new-built large ships- replacing the whipstaff. In the Caribbean, the shipstaff and tiller were still the primary rudder interface, but the wheel spread quickly to all but smaller vessels. So, by 1750, the wheel is plausible on both the QAR and Providence. Of course, we must completely ignore that the QAR was grounded, broken, and sunk in May/June 1718 (32 years before the 1750 assumed date) . . .

Overall, fun and not to be taken seriously-> WAY too many period-errors and sheer impossibilities.

Were is it now?

I'd be interested, but it would probably bankrupt me alone right now. Anyone else in the Carolina/Georgia area interested too?

But, . . .

To Hollywood mentality, "EVERY" pirate boat has a wheel. That's from ship to schooner, to sloop, to anything above a rowboat.

Since this thread was revived anyways . . .

Foxe elaborated on the previous post on Bonny and Reed in this thread, plus mentioned a further 2 women-on-pirate-ships in the Pirate Parley on the Pamlico (May 21, 2011). I'll let those who took notes or the FOXE himself to elaborate on the comments made (which I found VERY interesting, and not really from a "reenacting trying to justify something" POV- but rather from a sheer historical development POV).

I'd give the names, but haven't put my hands on the few notes I took during the Parley and will likely mis-remember it very, very badly right now (been up 5am-1am, running on LOTS of caffeine after 4-5 hours sleep, driving 6 hours, and working 7 more -in that order- after the parley).

As promised at the Washington Pirate Parlay, here is the bump of the "Great Jolly Roger" thread.

Much of what Foxe discussed there is also here.

Oh and . . .

Damnation to the Turnip Man!!!

A bit late, but if you want, I'd be OK w/ myself showing up in some form/incarnation.

Heah, Bright added the 2 lower links while I was creating the above post . . .

I was referencing http://www.moonshine.com/ as the VA one.

Also, the folks that make Midnight Moon also make one called "Catdaddy," which has a STRONG nutmeg flavor. It's too much nutmeg for me straight, but a good mixer. It has an awesome bottle, though, designed to resemble a "Classic" earthen brown jug:

http://www.catdaddymoonshine.com

Edit:

Midnight Moon and Catdaddy are made by Piedmont Distillers: http://www.piedmontdistillers.com/

It is based out of Madison, NC, in the northern part of the Western North Carolina, Blue Ridge Foothills. That area was a MAJOR home of moonshining "back-in-the-day," esp. in nearby Wilkesboro, NC (1.5 hours apart, east-west w/ Wilkesboro to the west).

Thanks.

That's the Virginia one I was thinking of.

Here are the 2 mentioned earlier:

http://www.juniorsmidnightmoon.com

Oddly, I can't find Georgia Moon's home site.

So, here's reviews of Georgia Moon: http://www.procyon.com/~froody/why/su/moon.html http://www.grainmash.com/?p=297 http://www.liquorsnob.com/archives/2005/11/georgia_moon_corn_whiskey_review.php http://americanhooch.com/2008/09/01/shine-on-georgia-moon-corn-whiskey/

(found through google/yahoo)

Like I said, there are several "versions" of moonshine, legal, illegal, and quasi-legal (plus, home distiller w/ a license to distill, but not legal to sell). Those three reflect different styles, all based on the "real stuff." Additionally, there are a vast range of unique variations as the distillers added fruit, raisins, and other flavors to either the mash or distilled product (or both). My absolute favorite alcohol, period, is a home-licensed person in South Carolina that makes peach-shine. It is simply amazing stuff. Too bad he lives far enough away from me that it is hard to get some.

Apple-shine comes in 2 versions:

1) Apples are part of the mash itself

2) Apple cider is mixed with shine

"Apple Pie," at least the versions I've seen, is usually the second of these. Sometimes vodka or a grain alcohol is substituted real moonshine.

I WANT!!!

Damn economy . . .

I want my old (much better paying) job back.

Over the counter, there are several legal versions. "Midnight Moon" is a high-end one, while "Georgia Moon" is a corny-flavored "hard-bite-back" one. Both are pretty "authentic" for different style moonshine. There is also several Virginia-distilled one, mainly from one distillery (forget the name).

I was tuning in to watch yet another "the real history behind pirates of the Caribbean" show, this time on the Smithsonian channel. This one is called: "The Real Story: Pirates of the Caribbean."

Well, . . .

This one was different. They interview Angus Konstam, the English weapons expert that is on so many of the better British-made history shows, and some bloke sitting in the great cabin of some boat- named E T Fox. I wasn't expecting much, as most of these kinda shows are pretty basic and sometimes not particularly well shot or edited.

So, I was pleasantly surprised to see our own Ed Foxe there. (I pointed out to my wife "Hey, THAT is the Ed Fox I've talked about all these years and am finally meeting in-person next weekend." She said "he's younger than I expected. Better looking too." Not sure what to think of that last part . . . )

The show itself is hands-down one of the BEST one of this type I've seen. The interviews were decently edited together (I'm sure the interviewees know of great stuff that was left out) and not too chopped-up in comparison to other ones I've seen. Visually, the show edits new-shot stuff with scenes from previous shows (like the one on the Essex chasing the slaver in the early 1800s) and even National Geographic's "Blackbeard: Terror at Sea" film. It all was edited together fairly seamlessly, esp. for a show of this type. They also interview one of the PotC writers (who actually knows the history too). There is also footage from the PotC film series, which relates to the overall theme of the show.

Content-wise, it is an excellent primer and focuses primarily on Blackbeard, while being on 17-teens pirates in general. The show is aimed at giving the historical background that the PotC films are based in and telling the true reality behind it. While some parts I find to be a stretched connection, they handle them well.

The only real complaints is how they edited the part around Fox when discussing Jolly Roger flags, implying he supports how they framed the shows description of them when he would nauance it FAR more. Basically they show a bunch of flags (the "classic" set) that Fox debunks on: http://www.bonaventure.org.uk/ed/flags.htm and intercut Fox talking about how they used recognized symbols of death and how they were used. That struck me a bit (basically because I know Fox and have discussed flags with him many, many times with him over the last half-decade or so.

This article discusses the point of the show: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/news/article_1635274.php/Smithsonian-s-The-Real-Story-brings-untold-tales-from-blockbuster-films-May-15

Still, a decently done show and a good bridge between PotC and the actual activities of the 17-teens pirates. I wish I could see the un-edited interviews . . . that would have been better.

I know that the Smithsonian Channel isn't a very widely known channel, so here is the on-line video of the show:

http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/site/sn/video/player/latest-videos/related/the-real-story-pirates-of-the-caribbean-full-episode/900357858001/

Edit:

Oh, and the actually ship they are on when discussing weapons and techniques (the black one) is Foxe's workplace, the Brixton "Golden Hind"

Yep.

How's things?

So, . . .

THAT is what happened to Henry Avery/Every!

I guess Foxe needs to rework the end of his book on the guy.

(Hehehehehehehe)

And more to topic, Doctor Who has a weird hit-and-miss relation to actual history. Some is very, very good, while some is a sci-fi spin (understand in the nature of the show), while other is just inexplicably odd and strangely and needlessly bizarre (at least to someone who knows the actual history). Often all three happen in the same episode.

The first 2 I have zero issue with, as that is the nature of the show. The last one perplexes and irks me. Always will.

I DO like the openendedness of this episode's end. You don't know if they go and continue to do piracy or something else. It is left up to the mind of the audience.

Back to topic.

I didn't realize there were issues w/ cross-state transportation of chickens. Learned something.

Anyone have any documentary evidence of coups? I was also wondering when reading this thread if it would be one-hen-per or of they would have a group in a coup.

Sorry. Mea Culpa.

This is twill.

sounds like a plan... I get the great gun and you get the gun fodder... I mean chicken robot...

Correction . .

Robot Chicken.

Which one in that video is Foxe?

I'm sure he's in there somewhere. Plus, they are using both "his" boats (one is actually his and one is under his care) . . . Anyone else we know in there too?

For those who don't know, this is one of the BEST events out there for accurate-pirates. I'm 450 miles/9 hours away and it's worth the drive and more.

I thought Easter Rising, but for some reason thunk it was after 1918 . . .

Nope: http://www.easter1916.net/

(That has been the subject of numerous songs and a notable film or 2)

I forgot it was in the midst of WWI fighting.

WW1, primarily.

Also, the famous Jersey shark attacks (that later inspired Jaws), the pursuit of Pancho Villa, The Cubs take over the park from the Chicago Whales and it gets renamed Wrigley Field, the Sykes-Picot agreement that shaped screwed up the middle east to this day, British adopt daylight savings (an invention of Benny Franklin), US National Park service is signed into law, Tennessee hung an elephant, some Russian nobles kill Rasputin (took a LOT of effort inc. poison, gunshots, and he finally drowned to die), and the Berlin olympics cancelled (caused a chip on the shoulder of German that affected the games 20 years latter in the same city)

Dude. I can't see how there is a way 1916 could have reminded you of all that without help from Wiki unless you majored in early 20th c. history.

While we're speaking of WWI cartoon dogs in aviator goggles and biplanes, let's not forget Muttley.

I remembered most of it, then checked the dates on the rest (w/ Google) to be sure, mainly the time-zone change, elephant, and park service. I knew the shark attacks, pretty sure on Pancho Villa (knew was 1915 or 1916-before the Lusitania and US entering WWI), Cubs/Wrigley (after the Federal League folded in 1915 and BEFORE the 1917 Star-Spangled White Sox uniforms) Sykes-Picot (but had to look up the correct name), and Rasputin (1 year before the 1917 Russian Revolution and one of the timing sparks). All those were before the US got into WWI in 1917. The Berlin Olympic thing was actually an issue/reason/matter in them getting the 1936 Games, famous for Hitler's propaganda on the "new, enlightened Nazi Germany. I find the 1936 Berlin games particularly interesting and have a couple books on them.

And, yes, I majored in History and had a professor who focused on Civil War-WW2 history, mostly early 20th C. Plus, I am a HUGE Baseball park fan, among many other things . . .

Nerd-fight time . . .

In a dogfight between Snoopy and Muttley, who has the edge?

(Note the pun)

Speaking of WWI reenactment, there is some land out west (US) that would make a fabulous No-Man's Land. Some in North Georgia too.

WW1, primarily.

Also, the famous Jersey shark attacks (that later inspired Jaws), the pursuit of Pancho Villa, The Cubs take over the park from the Chicago Whales and it gets renamed Wrigley Field, the Sykes-Picot agreement that shaped screwed up the middle east to this day, British adopt daylight savings (an invention of Benny Franklin), US National Park service is signed into law, Tennessee hung an elephant, some Russian nobles kill Rasputin (took a LOT of effort inc. poison, gunshots, and he finally drowned to die), and the Berlin olympics cancelled (caused a chip on the shoulder of German that affected the games 20 years latter in the same city)

What are you thinking?