Capt. Sterling

Aye I agree, very outgoing and welcoming bunch, wouldn't mind running into them again.

Snigger tis my crewe.... and I still question the stocking cap with the long tassel for the GAoP time frame...haven't spent the time researching them when Monmouth caps are so easy... Maddogge just doesn't have one yet as Skittles is still knitting a bunch... if you want to look at reenactors with great kit and good information check out Blackjohn's Pirate Brethren and Gentlemen of Fortune's site...and Reconstructing History (especially for Women)

Linen is more comfortable and it actually breathes better than most modern cottons... which there have been numerous discussions on as to whether or not our modern cottons even come close to period correct cottons of the time frame... FWIW in our group we allow cheap cotton shirts for the kids... as one they wreck most of them before they ever grow out of them so they are nearly impossible to pass along to another child.

Yes, that is usually the recognized dates, but are we talking outfitting someone here for the entire 17th/18th centuries or the GAoP? In which case the mantua covers the entire range of the GAoP... If we are just doing up a basic list for pirates and you want the easiest things to obtain, well then go for modern pirates, get your bra, thong, tee shirt and cut offs and your are ready to go! Actually you could leave off the bra, since some do not seem interested in the proper support...

I can agree here about the mantua not being needed up front on the basics list, but to say they only cover a narrow range of the GAoP... I certainly cannot agree even Marcellus Laroon's The Cryes of the City of London, states that the common women were already wearing them in 1687 (as per Kass)and the style continues well up into the 1730s according to the V&A... well after the GAoP is considered over. Randle Holme's The Academy of Armory and Blazon, 1688, contains The Instruments used in all Trades and Sciences, together with their terms of Art. He mentions "A Mantua, is a kind of loose Coat without any stays in it. The Body part and sleeves are of as many fashions as I have mentioned in the Gown Body..." The V&A also have the Lord and Lady Clapham dolls from the mid 1690s. Lady Clapham wearing a dress open at the front showing her decorative corset

And once again the importance of including proper stays... during the GAoP time frame, stays are often seen in the front opening of the mantua...not all of them laced closed in the front, the gown often being pinned to the side of the stays and a stomacher is not always worn ... so once again, in my opinion, proper stays should be included in the basic kit... "It must be remembered that between 1720-1740 the robe battante was the fashion in France; this long, loose robe was frequently worn open and showed the stays beneath, which consequently were of as much importance as the dress itself." Norah Waugh, Corsets and Crinolines

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Cheeky, what are you ... um... holding in this picture?

Kass Can't get much better than this for the basics... this Lady really knows her stuff...

bad teeth maybe....

Maddogge would make a great Blackbeard don't you think Rats?

I totally agree with you here, and no I am not arguing just to argue, I am simply disagreeing about the stays... in my opinion for someone who wants to start out in the hobby and continue, stays are still a basic to me... if we are talking about someone that only wants to dress up once or twice and has no intentions of sticking with it... then certainly, don't waste your cash or time on stays... but if you do plan on making a go of it, get your stays in line and quickly as other pieces of your wardrobe may need to be fitted OVER them... Kass has patterns for stays that beginners can follow and she is always willing to give extra advice on preparing them. If you join a group where someone in it can make the stays for you... all the better.... our group, each person specializes in making something from clothing to weapons to boats... all our newbie needs to do is purchase the materials and give a small fee of twenty dollars to say thanks to the person who helped them out. Again, in my opinion stays should be on the basic female list...

Sailors could have worn drawers as they were listed within the slops contracts... so not everyone wore nothing but their shirt between their legs...

Hm ... I think you got your shoes backwards - that is to say, shoeless on deck is why holystoning exists. Leather shoes on salt-spray decks quickly leads to no shoes. Barefoot in the ratlines seems to be more common historically. And again, you don't holystone the deck to keep splinters out of the sailors' soles, but rather out of their feet. Shoeless on land is what would be odd.... I think I will refer you to the debates over in Captain Twill regarding barefeet on ships... like I said, I adhere to the belief that barefeet, especially in the riggings just doesn't work...along with a number of others in the pub, we have actually been there and done that... shoes in our opinion are a must and there is quiet a bit of historical evidence for shoes as opposed to barefeet. Again, see the threads in Twill. Not going shoeless in town, yes I wholeheartedly agree, but shoeless on the beach such as a careening camp... try walking back and forth in sand all day long in buckled shoes and then try doing it in buckled shoes in wet sand... even worse... do I take my shoes off in either case... no... I portray an officer.... Again, for the historical reasons as to why I adhere to my opinion feel free to look up the threads in Captain Twill where the historical evidence is discussed... certainly not here in plunder. As for monmouth caps... our's are taken from period correct instructions and only cost 25 bucks a cap

Again that is where we differ.... I still believe most women go into the project with the mindset that stays are extremely hard to construct when, with proper directions, they really aren't... time consuming... not really... six hours from start to finish, if you sew the channels by machine, about twelve for entirely hand sewn... and I bet Kass can beat that time! and again, if this thread is like the men's authentic basics, sorry stays are pretty much a must unless you are wearing jumps... for GAoP time frame... if you want to do Hollywood/fantasy pirates then it really doesn't matter at all. Like shoes, a good pair of stays will last you a long time if properly cared for and so, well worth the investment if you want to be pc.

cigar, wish I had one now... instead of a bloody Pipe

Ah... Captain Morgan Maddogge!!!!! I came around the corner to give them their cue for the battle and found him posing for Mistress Mary and I almost fell over I started laughing so hard!!

Tis our own Mistress Jane... looks great for someone who works so damn hard at these events! Just wait until she gets the proper clothing together! Shhh, making her some sh-stuff to thank her for all she's done...

Honestly, I am not certain that Tiger Bill's cap is proper for our time frame... I think they came later and would be grateful to anyone that can confirm that for me...

Okay since we are speaking authentic basics, I'll stick my neck out here.... our crew is allowed to join and take one year to get their proper kit together, until that time, we always point out to spectators who, in our crew, is currently proper and who isn't.... for men: and I am talking basic able seaman here, not captains, not merchants, not local magistrates etc... Shirt LINEN... why waste money on a cotton shirt when linen can be found almost as cheap, ... sure it will be a tad bit more, but why waste money buying the wrong thing first and then have to spend again to get it right? Shirts should be pull over, not button up the front, with a slightly higher collar than a band, not as long as the Rev War fold overs. See either the instructions in Rural Pennsylvania Clothing or go hereLinen Fabric for not only GREAT prices on linen but Kass's shirt instruction. shirt Trousers/slops/breeches: Again Linen... cheapest.. or hemp canvas or if you wish to spend the money 100% wool especially for the breeches. Sailor's jacket to start... you can always get the longer justacorps at a later date... Buckled shoes: Sorry if we are speaking authentic here buckled shoes are the very best way to go... not boots and the hemp rope sandals that some were using are no longer being made...(at least they weren't the last time I looked a month ago) FugaweeShoes has some that are close without breaking the bank... for the very best, one must turn to the UK but unfortunately they are expensive... and although I am not against folks going barefoot ON LAND... I adhere to the belief that shoes are a MUST onboard ship Monmouth cap/thrum cap/or simple cocked hat Neck scarf... linen ... sorry but I think these things are a MUST especially at the hot summer events Unfortunately no one is making proper stockings as of yet, unless Kass hasn't posted some new surprise as of yet... but I would recommend the heavier woolen ones from Townsend and just sew up your own back seam until the proper ones become available. Now you can either sew your own... and believe me the shirts and trousers are NOT as hard as they seem... and can all be done by hand which is actually authentic as compared to wondering how to operate a sewing machine. Patterns can be purchased from Kass (Reconstructing History) or ready made clothing can be purchased from Reconstructing History or Callenish Gunner. When in doubt, go check out the Admiralty Slops Contract info in Twill... that is actual clothing from the period for RN sailors...for example the contract of 1706. I believe calls for Grey jackets NOT navy blue... and red for waistcoats

No offense but I would have to totally disagree here. Stays are VERY noticeable, especially when they are missing... not wearing the proper foundation garments very rapidly ruins otherwise period correct clothing.... Stays are far easier to make then many women believe and are crucial for getting the proper look.

Jumps could do around camp or perhaps if you are "at home" but I think a mantua would be more common for walking about town .... check with Kass. As to stays, they should be on the basic dress list as there are few reasons NOT to wear them... except maybe with jumps... it seems everyone had and wore them except maybe the poorest of the poor as there is ONE picture showing a woman without

Wonderful event! Hats off to our fantastic host and hostess, Nathan and Jen, who went out of their way to not only make the Crewe of the Archangel feel welcome but got us completely involved every where we could and made sure we had everything we could possibly need such as ice, fire wood, etc. We all had a great time, from dying to rowing to singing and dancing on Saturday evening. Well done one and all!!

If I recall, and now I can't find it, but did you lose the cook for this year's PiP? If so, members of the Archangel may be able to help in that arena IF the cooking equipment is already there and available for use (???) as that is one thing we were not planning on bringing except for the very basics....

As the Crewe of the Archangel will be playing pirate hunters at PiP, we, as the outcast crew would ask permission to camp outside the fort, in the trees between the fort/Brits and the careening camp... if that is possible? (Of course we will only be riff-raff anti social folk for the public...after hours we plan to invade all camps with rum in hand! ) oh and Rats, are you really planning on getting that tavern down to PiP? If so, can I ask how? I would really like to discuss this off line...thanks!