Captain Midnight

Foxe, is there any chance you might have close up photos of your pockets and sleeve openings? It would be nice to see comparison photos between yours and Patrick Hand's jacket details...does your coat have pocket flaps? Hard to tell from the photo...thanks!

That's absolutely gorgeous!

Kass, I would absolutely love to have your pattern for the jacket, unfortunately, with it being so close to Christmas and with kids to buy for, I am pretty strapped right now. Perhaps after New Year's I can do something better... :)

Is it hard to draft a pattern to fit yourself, Patrick? I've never tried it, and I'm a pretty large man. I stand 6'-4" and weigh 220 lbs. Would it be hard to adapt it to my size? I have the Simplicity "Jack Sparrow" coat pattern that I was going to modify for mine...

Patrick, that is truly beautiful work! I want mine to look almost exactly like that, except for the couple of extra buttons I mentioned... Did you make your own pattern, or use one of Kass'?

Yeah, that's the one I'm going with, too, Patrick. Except I will probably use three buttons at the cuffs and three buttons on the pockets---I just like the way it looks. Mine will not adhere to the ASC so strictly, but will be representative of a privately purchased and civilian-made sailor's jacket. (not to mention it will be green, rather than grey). I will probably also make the pocket flaps shaped exactly like the picture... I know you've posted pics of yours elsewhere in the pub, but can you post them again here, since this is our new "short jacket" thread?

Of course I will! One of these days soon, I will try to post a photo of meself...all this time I've been a member of the pub, and I still havn't posted a photo...but I wanted to get my stuff right first.

Yup, that's the one I chose out of all the ones shown on Foxe's site.

Thanks Kass! Well, what I have in the planning stages so far is a mid-thigh length coat with no collar, plain and simple straight, buttoned cuffs, two exterior pockets with scalloped edges and buttoned with three buttons, and split in the back. Does this sound pretty close for a sailor's coat? (Not an issued ASC jacket, but a privately made one).

So maybe three functional buttons on each one, or do you think that would be too much?

Kass, weren't these buttons mostly decorative? I mean, they sometimes didn't actually button the flap down did they? I'm just asking these questions so that I can correctly build a proper historical jacket. As you have probably figured out already, I kind of like the buttons on the pockets... But would it be ok on a sailor's jacket?

What about buttons (decorative) on the flaps?

I like the shape, too. It appears to be slightly scalloped.

Thanks Kass. I fancy the jacket in the drawing from the armorial bearings which are dated from 1718. It has plain sleeves but a slightly scalloped pocket flap. If need be, I will move my impression forward just a bit to accomodate the use of this jacket. I haven't progressed so far into the development of my persona that it would hurt anything to do so. I have all of my weapons and accoutrements, but no clothing just yet except my Montero cap...

Point taken, thanks Kass and Foxe. Since my impression lies somewhere between 1680 and 1700, would I be safer to wear a jacket more akin to the ones worn during the English Civil War?

Thank you, Foxe and Kass! I gather that it would be safe to use scalloped pocket flaps, but would a straight cuff with scalloped edges be o.k. for the GAoP? Is that what a "mariner's cuff" is? A scallop-edged straight cuff with buttons?

Please forgive me if this has already been discussed. I have noticed that the dominant sleeve style for these jackets is a straight cuff, but could there be other styles of cuff and pocket flaps as well? I noticed on the Bonaventure web site a gentleman wearing a short coat with large turned back cuffs similar to a justacourp's sleeves. Could there have been styles and colors other than what the government slop contracts specified, such as a privately made or purchased version of the jacket? Does anyone have pics of various sleeve and pocket flap styles? Thanks in advance!

But wait a minute Greg... that can change as you guys havn't seen it on my head yet... No, I'm just kidding! As ugly as the cap is, it will probably make me look better!

Yep, the Montero is what I will be found wearing about 99% of the time...I do have a nice tricorn for dress occasions, but the Montero cap is my headwear of choice for my daily routine...much more practical aboard a vessel than a tricorn, not to mention softer and more comfortable. :)

Sure did, Kass! Nice picture, too! And Greg, thank you so much! I will keep my eyes open for it. I hope you guys had a nice Thanksgiving?

A lovelier lass mine eyes have not seen...one cannot blame Will Turner for gazing on such beauty with awe and admiration. Nice job, Bess! :)

That is outstanding work, Foxe! I am very interested in the construction of your shoes---what type are they, and might I ask where you found them? I like the fact that they have no buckles, but lace instead. I would like to make a pair like that.

Don't know if anyone other than myself cares, but notice the Montero cap on the third man in the left side of the bottom picture...

I was at work anticipating celebrating my birthday that evening with my family. Needless to say, not much celebrating went on in my house that night...

Yep, this is a very cool period resource. It's where I found my documentation that Montero hats were used at sea in the GAoP...