Liam McMac

I'm sure that only about one percent of people on this planet find it attractive to be that skinny .... Just like no one acctually wears all that crap that they model at fashion shows besides the small amount of 'fashion concious' rich people. curves are what make a woman... not only figuratively... but literaly

Exactly... if you love to be the person who has everything 'perfect' down to the seams, cut, threads and materials of your clothing, then by all means, be that person. The same goes for camp and participation in reinactment. I also love the research aspect of it and accuracy is a big part of what I do, but I just don't go full bore and that is simply my perogative. I have nothing gainst the people who do all the research because they have helped me with my research. We all owe a great deal to those who put in that extra effort because without them we would not have this great forum. For example... the wooden shoes topic... I mentioned it and as quick as a gunshot... you had several people offering up documentation. All I'm saying is that it's best to argue among others who share your hightened passion for it and not look down on others who are not so dedicated. One Eyed Willie---- Out

Like I said... I am aware of the SMALL amount of documentation for common clothing and again it quite often differs from more well-to-do clothing. Yes of course people liked second hand clothing but not everyone. Nor could everyone afford it. my whole point here is... do what you feel comfortable with... that includes you just do it for yourself and worry about YOURSELF only because the firrst order of business... in my opinion... is to have fun. And no one can have fun with someone breathing down their neck or nit picking their clothes. Unless you see some fools in garb that is WAY out of place... please lets all say someting to them

This is a topic on which I have to comment. For the most part.... the only clothing that was ever recorded by writing or by artwork was the clothing of the well-to-do... I.E. the gentry and the wealthy. The dress of common folk was rarely mentioned and rightly so... like the common folk had no need to remember how "common" their clothing was. Therefore it is simple logic that 90% of the clothing ever worn by common folk was never recorded at all and I'm sure that they made their own clothes. In my research I have found that at times, the clothing of common folk did not even come close to resembling clothing that was en vogue. There were a hundred variances on basic garments, and folks prefered one style over another. I have found documentation of common folk wearing wooden shoes but I doubt many people would make a big deal about that because... who wants to wear wooden shoes?? Although it is a fact. It's all about preference as long as you don't look like a polyester Errol Flynn in thigh highs with red and black striped MC Hammer pants. If you look the part for the general time period and have correct fabric... who cares how your seams are? Or pockets... or closures. If you are participating in an acctual historical battle or some event to that effect... then yes, please be as correct as possible. otherwise.... blah

LMAO "Ditto"

You know...I knew someone would say that Murder is a specific word meaning killing without justification Any fool who says he believes murder is ok is a liar... I don't care who you are or where you are from No one would want to lose a loved one so deep inside we all KNOW it's wrong to do it to someone else Theft implies ownership and again it is specific to taking something that does not belong to you. Stealing from someone who stole from you is justified and killing someone who tries to kill you is justified. The people of the world rely on subterfuge...not truth... it's like the package is what matters and not what lies within. We all know what we do, yet we create lies to justify it. It's like shopping at Wallmart... you know that the company is racist, sexist and uses slave labor to bring the American public low prices, but you shop there anyway because you really don't care about anybody but yourself. You will make up a buch of lies to make yourself feel better but deep down you just don't care. P.S. Shakespear was lying to himself as well.

my only answer to this is perhaps one cannot physically fold a piece of paper 7 times, BUT METAPHYSICALLY SPEAKING, we can comprehend the event being done.... it is possible and probable.... THERE FORE, OUR MINDS ARE DRAWN TO CONTEMPLATE....TO ATTEMPT TO COMPREHEND..... basic metaphysics.......... just as there are laws on physics, chemistry,,{ BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THEIR APPLICATION AND LIMITS},, we can assert and attempt to assert meaning and comprehension.... perhaps we are lookign for a place where there are NO LAWS to be obeyed.... YET STRANGELY, we cannot find that within our own universe and planet.......... Whoa.... there be a lot of big words there. We are but simple pirates. Sounds like something a friend of mine said... "All matter is simply a manifestiaion of our imagination." To which I replied... "If all matter is imagined...what makes up our minds? Pun totaly intended." Cmon peeps, simply believing that what you do is right... does not make it so. Theft, murder, etc. are wrong. Period.

Well.... just like today. Many people claim to be religious but if you observe their actions you will find that they are not. Remember that book...'The Five People You Will Meet In Heaven'.... you'll find it in the non-fiction section

No big deal but, the movie Rob Roy take place before the '45 and most of the men are wearing philabegs. Rob wears a kilt and a bratt slung over the shoulder for use in harsh weather and formal occasions. In my oppinion the Feileadh Mor isn't practical for everyday wear and work... even in the winter. I believe the Feileadh Mor had a specific function for use in travel and harsh weather.

I really have to object here. Rejecting Judeo-Christian cosmology does not automatically make one a thief or, far less, a villain. Those distinctions must be earned in their own right. I totaly agree...I am technicaly a heathen... more specificaly an atheist... and I am a damn fine human being. If I do say so myslef. I never implied that being a heathen is synonymous with being a theif or a villian, although I'm sure that most thieves and villians did reject religion. It was more of a list of possibilities... not requirements. Didn't they say that Black Beard never acctualy killed anyone? Now that's an example of a thief who was not villainous. You know how they say that you can't fold a piece of papermore than seven times? I wonder how many times we can split this hair?

Well.... you could use the word god if you don't mean that Character Jesus, but some sort of religion whether it was superstition, voodoo etc... They sure weren't any sort of good Catholics. They were a bunch of heathens, thieves and villians... that's what a pirate is. If they said they were Catholic.... they sure as heck weren't practicing Catholics. Most of the things they did were hard wired traditions... whether they believed or not. How many kids who say the pledge of allegience really believe in God? What happened was that we Northern Europeans were still living in caves and picking fleas out of our wives hair when most of the world was at the peak of civilization. when the Romans came to "give" us "civilization' we did everything in our power to keep it out. (next)

Christians have an uncany knack at bringing "god" into any conversation even without a segway... you could be talking about cereal and they will say.. "You know why god likes cereal?" Is their any historical record of Catholic pirates attacking only protestant ships? Or Vice versa... PIrates for Christ!! that would be awesome. A pirate was a pirate... my point was that none of them were "good" by the standards of their time... or ours. We don't have a whole forum dedicated to some boring sailor on some random merchant ship. We remember them because they were "bad." and yes.... HUNDAI purpously made bad cars to piss me off and I hate them to this day because of it.

Well.... you could use the word god if you don't mean that Character Jesus, but some sort of religion whether it was superstition, voodoo etc... They sure weren't any sort of good Catholics. They were a bunch of heathens, thieves and villians... that's what a pirate is. If they said they were Catholic.... they sure as heck weren't practicing Catholics. Most of the things they did were hard wired traditions... whether they believed or not. How many kids who say the pledge of allegience really believe in God?

Well... I don't think pirates thought much about god... and if they did... they really didn't care same here but this really wasn't a topic on religion

Yeah, but we only pretend to repeat it. If we really repeated it, we'd all be in jail - where our outfits probably would work against us. (So we actually have learned from history - in a way.) If you were a good pirate you wouldn't end up in jail

They say that "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Funny thing is we here at the Pub learn so that we can repeat it leave it to pirates to mess with the order of the universe

I hope to make her an entire period correct ensemble so I will be making her a linen shortgown/jacket to wear in the warmer months. When I do I will be sure make it longer and more full in the skirts....... thanks again

Thank you very kindly for your input... I have in fact only been tailoring for a year and a half but I have made so much clothing I have lost track. This shortgown is acctualy flared and split at the sides but you can't see it in these photos. I only added about 5 inches past the waist because I wanted it to be asimple but flatering shape which fits her curves nicely. I'm not going to add buttons as the research I have done, has led me to the conclusion that women's gowns rarely had buttons, but rather simple pins to close their garments. To be sure... my lady rewards me every day with her presence alone.

Hmmm... I was under the impression that they called them shortgowns because they were shorter than a gown, and that they only called them jackets if worn by a man. That's what I thought but I'm sure that someone here will enlighten me with their knowledge. I'm here to learn

Here are some pics of the new shortgown I made for my loverly lady. Used my own pattern.... is it too short? Her grandmother got this material 27 years ago in Scotland.

Yeah but I belive the vocalist just thought he'd add those lyrics to show off his Gaelic hahaha

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Check it out... you can listen to a clip of the music being played on a harp maybe they wrote it as a lament for Mary Queen of Scots http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/tayside_and_central/8222727.stm

to kill a mocking bird..... to kill the Butcher Cumberland... no better way to die than at the hands of a well armed Scotsman