Jack Roberts Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 The gentleman on the right, what might he be doing? I wonder, it looks a lot like a cigarette or a small cigar of some sort. What do you all see? I pulled it from this webite http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/leloirX1.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaRed Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 That is flippin' cool. Definitely looks like the 17th C. Marlboro man to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Story Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Snuff? Dances for nickels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted September 13, 2006 Author Share Posted September 13, 2006 Yes, you might be right. Look at his right hand. I seems he his holding something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaRed Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Yeah on closer look I think it's just how his pointer finger is drawn...looks like a cig, but he's just doing a hit of snuff. Which by the way ain't bad! (thanks, John) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jim-sib Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 "Marlboro Man ?" Nay...Fat Freddie Look at the way the gentleman is holding the smoke. Tis in his left hand...therefore, a "left-handed" smoke. Yet after studying the piece, it does look like he be a snortin' . Still, it is an interesting period picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Unfortunately I can't get the pic to load, but Leloir is known to have pictures of gentlemen partaking in the practice of snuff... VERY popular during the GAoP.... odds are I already have a copy of the illustration and if the gent is wearing a cloak and carrying a muff, he's taking snuff not smoking. Certainly no cigarettes yet and so far only evidence that shows the Spanish had cigars other than certain tribes of Indians. There is another thread discussing cigars, which did not seem to make their way to England or the colonies until later in the 18th century... although if any one has other info showing the contrary please share... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Petee Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 No way, that dude is tokin. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted September 14, 2006 Author Share Posted September 14, 2006 hows the Spanish had cigars other than certain tribes of Indians. There is another thread discussing cigars, which did not seem to make their way to England or the colonies until later in the 18th century... although if any one has other info showing the contrary please share... Thats what I 've heard on this forum so far, but pyrates were attacking the Spainish. Could they have picked up a cigar from them perhaps? Just a thought. Would they just tear up the tobacco from a cigar and toss it in there pipe? I mean if pyrates were raiding their ships, I wonder if they might have picked smoked at least what was on board. Maybe? I dunno, just speculating here. (please no flaming, I'm just throwing out a theroy. ) What do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Petee Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Dude, that dude, is smokin weed. Trust me. That is the classic joint pinch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 It amazes me that Pirate Pete knows so much about tokin' Now I know how he gets all his boot theories GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Thats what I 've heard on this forum so far, but pyrates were attacking the Spainish. Could they have picked up a cigar from them perhaps? Just a thought. Would they just tear up the tobacco from a cigar and toss it in there pipe? I mean if pyrates were raiding their ships, I wonder if they might have picked smoked at least what was on board. Maybe? I dunno, just speculating here. (please no flaming, I'm just throwing out a theroy. ) What do you all think? not to fret... no one will go off on you... honestly, I don't know if stealing a box of cigars falls into the same category as "I stole this wonderfully smart clothing off of a dead pyrate!" Aye Greg, you maybe right there... maybe that IS where Pete gets his boots dream... I mean theories from! "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Pete Straw Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 He's picking his nose. In his right hand he holds a "booger box." No, wait -- he's flossing his teeth! But seriously, I need to find the picture of raiding the South American tobacco farm, and I recall having a resource with a date regarding cigar smoking by Europeans in the Americas. But I previously read the "Smoking" thread, and do not recall that I have any new information that is not already in there... And... um.... I gotta agree with Petee, if that's not snuff, that's a joint. "He's a Pirate dancer, He dances for money, Any old dollar will do... "He's a pirate dancer, His dances are funny... 'Cuz he's only got one shoe! Ahhrrr!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Eric Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 not to fret... no one will go off on you... honestly, I don't know if stealing a box of cigars falls into the same category as "I stole this wonderfully smart clothing off of a dead pyrate!" LOL... Well you see, he was really a nobleman who wanted to be a pyrate. NOAH: Wow... the whole world flooded in just less than a month, and us the only survivors! Hey... is that another... do you see another boat out there? Wait a minute... is that a... that's... are you seeing a skull and crossbones on that flag? Ministry of Petty Offenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessie k. Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I vote snuff; at first glance he does appear to be holding a cigarette, but not when I look closer. That or maybe he's stroking an imaginary mustache. "When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear, and life stands explained." --Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kass Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I think what people are seeing as a cigarette is his finger. It's exactly how someone holds their fingers when they're doing snuff. But the joint jokes were funnier! Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut-throat Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 From what I can see, he has nothing in his hands that resembles a cigarette, cigarello, joint, etc. Unless he's at the tail end of a very tiny roach Plus, his fingers appear way too close to his nostril to be smoking a cig. I vote snuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 Yes I believe it is snuff. Look at his right hand, you can see him holding the lid of the tin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 :) "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Snuff, most assuredly. :) You need a clip if you're intent on Bogarting that doobie. I've heard... Yo ho ho! Or does nobody actually say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cat Jenny Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 I found this info....what do ye think? Origin: The smoking lamp probably came into use during the 16th Century when seamen began smoking on board vessels. The lamp was used to light the smoke before matches were invented. The smoking lamp was also a safety measure. It was devised mainly to keep the fire hazard away from highly combustible woodwork and gunpowder. Most navies established regulations restricting smoking to certain areas on board. Usually, the lamp was located in the forecastle or the area directly surrounding the galley indicting that smoking was permitted in this area. Even after the invention of matches in the 1830s, the lamp was an item of convenience to the smoker. When particularly hazardous operations or work required that smoking be curtailed, the unlighted lamp relayed the message. "The smoking lamp is lighted" or "the smoking lamp is out" were expressions indicating that smoking was permitted or forbidden. The smoking lamp has survived only as a figure of speech. When the officer of the deck says "the smoking lamp is out" before drills, refueling or taking ammunition, that is the Navy's way of saying "cease smoking." Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants won't help.... Her reputation was her livelihood. I'm a pirate, love. By nature and by choice! My inner voice sometimes has an accent! My wont? A delicious rip in time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~submarine~privateer~ Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Hi there...interesting picture. On closer inspection (meaning I blew the pic up in Photoshop) what appears to be a cigarette is actually a finger and the man is partaking in snuff. If you look in his other hand...you can see the snuff box. Great pic though...I smoke and it got me all excited... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culliford Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I found this info....what do ye think?Origin: The smoking lamp probably came into use during the 16th Century when seamen began smoking on board vessels. The lamp was used to light the smoke before matches were invented. The smoking lamp was also a safety measure. It was devised mainly to keep the fire hazard away from highly combustible woodwork and gunpowder. Most navies established regulations restricting smoking to certain areas on board. Usually, the lamp was located in the forecastle or the area directly surrounding the galley indicting that smoking was permitted in this area. Even after the invention of matches in the 1830s, the lamp was an item of convenience to the smoker. When particularly hazardous operations or work required that smoking be curtailed, the unlighted lamp relayed the message. "The smoking lamp is lighted" or "the smoking lamp is out" were expressions indicating that smoking was permitted or forbidden. The smoking lamp has survived only as a figure of speech. When the officer of the deck says "the smoking lamp is out" before drills, refueling or taking ammunition, that is the Navy's way of saying "cease smoking." This term is still used in the US Naval Services (Navy/USMC) today. As a Marine that has only been "out" for about 8 years now, I recall that term being used EVERY TIME the OIC/NCOIC allowed for a cigarette break, only they used "The smoking lamp is lit." This was even one of the many naval terms that were drilled into us in boot camp. One benefit of service in the Marines you get to take with you: learning quite a bit about naval terms, history, traditions, and customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casketchris Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 as a smoker i was excited at first glance but after really looking its snuff Nautical acquisition and redistribution specialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Alright! Who moderated my witty and intelligent comment? "Without caffine, I'd have no personality at all" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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