Bloody_Mary_Bonney Posted January 29, 2005 Posted January 29, 2005 I'm doing a cultural artifact on Fox tails and there popularity in faire but i need to know if the have some actual historical significants and maybe a site with that kind of information. But why is the rum gone? Save a horse ride a cowboy! Take me away and take me farther, suround me now and hold me like holy My toes are getting pruney Also my head is round that window is square.... My name is Micheal J Kabous and i eat babies! Your toast has been burned and no amount of scraping will remove the black stuff
PyratePhil Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 Could it have come from Aesop's Fables... "The Fox Who Had Lost His Tail A FOX caught in a trap escaped, but in so doing lost his tail. Thereafter, feeling his life a burden from the shame and ridicule to which he was exposed, he schemed to convince all the other Foxes that being tailless was much more attractive, thus making up for his own deprivation. He assembled a good many Foxes and publicly advised them to cut off their tails, saying that they would not only look much better without them, but that they would get rid of the weight of the brush, which was a very great inconvenience. One of them interrupting him said, "If you had not yourself lost your tail, my friend, you would not thus counsel us." (Translated by George Fyler Townsend) Seems to be a certain character link between the fox in the story and certain types of rogues, ones who seem to go from one adventure to another, oft at the skin of their teeth ...Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum... ~ Vegetius
Guest SirenSong Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 I heard that too but was told it was because Foxes were very crafty and cunning creatures. And of course cause Foxes were natural tricksters. Like Pirates are reputed to be. I had a friend from Norway that once told me that stories or legends regarding Loki often had him take the shape of the sly fox. I dont know how true it is..but it would make sense for a pirate to liken himself to such a creature.
PyratePhil Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 Funny you use that as an example - An Inuit friend of mine said that I'm the Coyote (trickster who nonetheless teaches a lesson) ...Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum... ~ Vegetius
Duchess Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 I have no idea of the historical context of those things, but I forever associate them with people of the Furries persuasion. Which is something I always found a little weird. The Duchess
Guest SirenSong Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 Well personally I favor wolves. But yes..The Fox and coyote are often referred to as tricksters. Just in diffrent parts of the world. I think the only place the Coyote is really used is in the states..everyone else uses the fox..But I could be wrong.
dasNdanger Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 I have a fox tail, but strictly fer pettin' purposes...and I will love him and hug him and pet him and squeeze him and I will call him George... Lenny http://www.ajmeerwald.org/
Patrick Hand Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 ..."Wow check out the tail on that one........." I don't think you will find any historical reference to period wearing of fox tails (OK..... there is a painting (I think by Breugel) showing some fools wearing them...) but that will probably be the closest...... I've heard people say they were to catch fleas to avoid the plaque.... but I think they are worn just for the silly joke at the begining of this post.......
PyratePhil Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 I have a fox tail, but strictly fer pettin' purposes...and I will love him and hug him and pet him and squeeze him and I will call him George...Lenny LOL! ....and he will never want for love or affection!! ...Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum... ~ Vegetius
PyratePhil Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 Well personally I favor wolves. But yes..The Fox and coyote are often referred to as tricksters. Just in diffrent parts of the world. I think the only place the Coyote is really used is in the states..everyone else uses the fox..But I could be wrong. Well, funny thing - My friend spent some time in the lower states - maybe she picked up the coyote thing there - but as you said, fox, coyote, and wolf are all brothers. ...Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum... ~ Vegetius
Merrydeath Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 I won't wear one at the faires, because I don't think we should kill something just because we can... I wear a set of tuned bells on my behind, that I have named.. bumbells. Pirate Lass with sass, brass, a cutlass, an a nice *ss. Capt of the FOOLS GOLD PIRATES BLAST BREAST CANCER! GET A MAMMOGRAM AND SAVE YOUR TREASURED CHEST: http://www.myspace.c...iratesthinkpink http://www.myspace.c...oolsgoldpirates CAPT OF THE ONLY PYRITE SHIP AFLOAT: THE FOOL'S GOLD- look for us and Captain Merrydeath on facebook!
PyratePhil Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 I wear a set of tuned bells on my behind, that I have named.. bumbells. ...which reminds me o' th' endin' o' th' famous limerick - ...when he knocked them together they played "Stormy Weather" And lightning shot ...etc. etc... ...Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum... ~ Vegetius
blackjohn Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 I believe they are sufficiently in-authentic, as well as un-piratey, that I should move this thread to Pirate Pop. I've read a great deal on the period from the late 1600s to late 1700s and never, in anything I have read, have I encountered a mention of fox tails being worn. My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together.
the Royaliste Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 If you've done any trapping, or know any fur traders, you will understand that other that all being canines, the Wolf, coyote, and fox are all their own number one enemies in that order. In nature, they are dependent on the same prey animals, and they are very territorial,so...a fox will run from the first two, the coyote, from the first one, etc...Modern game calls for hunting coyotes are taped call of fox in distress,etc...As far as tails, they are fluffy and interesting, but hard to keep forever, as the tanning solution has a hard time peenetrating the tube of skin that surrounded the bone in the tail.....
TabithaAnne Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 I too have heard that they were to keep bugs off you. Men are like a deck of cards - You need a heart to love them, a diamond to marry them, a club to beat them and a spade to bury the bastards.
Bloody_Mary_Bonney Posted January 31, 2005 Author Posted January 31, 2005 I won't wear one at the faires, because I don't think we should kill something just because we can... I wear a set of tuned bells on my behind, that I have named.. bumbells. see where i am at faire we regard bell wearers as prostitutes.... But why is the rum gone? Save a horse ride a cowboy! Take me away and take me farther, suround me now and hold me like holy My toes are getting pruney Also my head is round that window is square.... My name is Micheal J Kabous and i eat babies! Your toast has been burned and no amount of scraping will remove the black stuff
Merrydeath Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 holey cows!! that is weird.. even the little girls wear bells, and they are sold at the shops. Usually they are on the hips like a belt. I wear mine vertically. Interesting how things change.. Pirate Lass with sass, brass, a cutlass, an a nice *ss. Capt of the FOOLS GOLD PIRATES BLAST BREAST CANCER! GET A MAMMOGRAM AND SAVE YOUR TREASURED CHEST: http://www.myspace.c...iratesthinkpink http://www.myspace.c...oolsgoldpirates CAPT OF THE ONLY PYRITE SHIP AFLOAT: THE FOOL'S GOLD- look for us and Captain Merrydeath on facebook!
Christine Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 Which faire is that Mary? Ye be from California too, trying to think which faire thinks that. Hmmm.....
Red Maria Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 Wearing a fox tail meant you werwe a prositute.
Rumba Rue Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 I've been doing faires for many a year in my lifetime so far and have never heard the prostitue stuff. I've worn bells occasionally for the fun of it and the nice tinkling noise from them. As for animal tails, geez I think some gals just enjoy the fun of it too. I will continue to look at these things as a fun thing the wearer wants to do and not some stupid conotation like the wearing of those rubber colored bracelets the young girls do in school that are suppose to mean something else. Geez people think of the most negative stuff when it comes to clothing and accessories. Rumba Rue **I don't need accessories, I can flirt just fine without them**
Christine Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 Exactly RumbaRue! Tis meant to be fun. I seriously doubt it be a prostitue thing when little girls are wearing the bells and even the fox tails as well.
PyratePhil Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 that is weird.. even the little girls wear bells, and they are sold at the shops. They sell little girls at the shops??? What kind of pervfaire ye be goin' ta, m'lady? ...Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum... ~ Vegetius
Captain_MacNamara Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 Hmm... in the SCA, there's the Sisterhood of the Foxes Tail... Women who wear foxes tails on their belts? Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Chasin' Tail" Captain of the Iron Lotus It is the angle that holds the rope, not the size of the hole.
Tudor MercWench Smith Posted February 1, 2005 Posted February 1, 2005 Hmm... in the SCA, there's the Sisterhood of the Foxes Tail...Women who wear foxes tails on their belts? Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Chasin' Tail" Why else do you think women wear them? I always thought it was a bravery/strength/cunning thing (i.e wear them to gain said. . .) - not very piraty, but very tribal warrior kind of thing.
Bloody_Mary_Bonney Posted February 1, 2005 Author Posted February 1, 2005 Which faire is that Mary? Ye be from California too, trying to think which faire thinks that. Hmmm..... i think it were a joke set on by some one i knew way back and i think he told me that to make me stop wearing bells.... they really anoyed him. But why is the rum gone? Save a horse ride a cowboy! Take me away and take me farther, suround me now and hold me like holy My toes are getting pruney Also my head is round that window is square.... My name is Micheal J Kabous and i eat babies! Your toast has been burned and no amount of scraping will remove the black stuff
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