Spanish Captain drawing

[Korisios]

This drawing bothers me for a long time now. "it" (the caption) says 1700 Spanish Captain. To me it looks more something like 1650 ish...

Could it be that someone put a wrong date on this picture somewhere? Or where Spaniard really so old fasioned back then???

I mean all other drawings and paintings of Spanish soldiers from 1700/1720 I have seen do show more modern clothing...

[Jas. Hook]

Korisios -

Just speculation but could it be depiction of court or formal atire?

U.S. Army dress blues has elements of 1860's look.

Vatican's Swiss Guard is another example of a timeless ceremonial dress.

Jas. Hook

[Brit.Privateer]

Do we know where this drawing came from? If it is attached to a particular book or story, maybe the artist drew this in 1700 but was trying to portray someone from a earlier time period. I've found that situation in several books from the early eighteenth century - the illustration may be from the period I was looking at, but it's not portraying people of the period I want. One very common one I've seen are books depicted the first encounters and conquests of the New World, they seemed to be pretty popular around the GAOP era for some reason. Unfortunately, when you are trying to do sailor clothing research for the GAOP era, that doesn't help you really.

[landlubbersanonymous]

The illustration of "Ein Spanischer Officier" by Dutch artist Caspar Luyken is from a German book published in 1703 entitled Neu-eröffnete Welt-Galleria.

This link provides some pretty good scans... http://diglib.hab.de...drucke/wt-4f-93

A Dover reproduction got a mention on the Forum here courtesy of Capt. Sterling ...

https://pyracy.com/in...?showtopic=9515

Edited December 1, 2011 by landlubbersanonymous

[Korisios]

Thanks guy's for the input.

I also think that it would be possible that the illustrator rather wanted to make a nice drawing of an typical Spanjard, then to be a 100 % accurate, after al he is an artist and wanted to make a book that sels I quess. Just drawing a nother men in the real fashion of the time would make the men repeting himself.

And like people stated in the other thread posted here, he might also not be in favour of the Spanish at that time and therefore not being to willing to draw them as highly fassionable people.

Also could he have taken inspiration of the more folk clothing of surten Spanish regions, that indeed appear to be more conservative and drew heavily from older fashions...

[Capt. Sterling]

Supposedly Luyken was trying to show what was currently being worn around other parts of the world. (BTW landlubbersanonymous, thank ye for sharing that link, I only have the reprint...nice to see an earlier edition. ) Haven't read it in years, but I think the Sea Rover's Practice makes mention that the Spanish were slower to change and retained a mixture of old and new styles in weapons, perhaps that flowed over to fashion as well... although Mister Hook, does have a point, there is a lot of formal attire shown in Luyken's plates...

Edited December 13, 2011 by Capt. Sterling

[Swashbuckler 1700]

The captain seems to be old rather than young. In nowdays old people use sometimes old clothing styles that there were then were they were younger.Perhaps there was similar case in Gaop. I have seen that kind of clothing in common place in 1680s so in 1703 captain could be in his forties and use earlier style clothing.

Edited April 15, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700