Serendipity Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Anyone know where to find one ( new or second hand) for under $100? I'm putting a costume together for a Ren-Fest in August and I want to get an early start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Salem Bob' Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Anyone know where to find one ( new or second hand) for under $100? I'm putting a costume together for a Ren-Fest in August and I want to get an early start. Pardon my ignorance, but what is a gunners jacket? Can you show us a picture of what you have in mind? I am familiar with short slops jackets worn by sailors, and 'frock' (they are only suit coats unless heavily formally laced, then they are frock coats) coats, but I've never heard of a gunners jacket before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serendipity Posted February 16, 2004 Author Share Posted February 16, 2004 Here's a picture . It's basically the same as the short sailor's jacket. I am interested in any of the other type of coats to, for the same price range. If you know where to find anything like it I'd be much obliged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Well, the picture is not of a pattern I've ever seen before, but here is a similar iten from Townsend http://www.jastown.com/coldgear/wj-155.htm I got mine from Missy at Barkertown Sutlers. I don't see it in the catalogue, but you could give Missy a call. Mine's just a bit longer than waist length, and is made of linen. http://www.barkertownsutlers.com/ Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Salem Bob' Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Well, the picture is not of a pattern I've ever seen before, but here is a similar iten from Townsendhttp://www.jastown.com/coldgear/wj-155.htm I got mine from Missy at Barkertown Sutlers. I don't see it in the catalogue, but you could give Missy a call. Mine's just a bit longer than waist length, and is made of linen. http://www.barkertownsutlers.com/ Hawkyns Sleeves like that are late 1670's-80's, very James II, only coming down to or just past the elbow - they usually had wide cuffs with buttonholes and buttons. I don't know where you would find something cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Ah yes, worn with petticoat breeches and vomiting lace. One does try to put such sartorial abominations from ones' mind. (insert full body shudder here) Gods, I hate restoration clothing....... Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba Rue Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 I think the closest you can come is a jerkin that's altered a bit. Rumba Rue ** ** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Hawkyns Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Well, the picture is not of a pattern I've ever seen before, but here is a similar iten from Townsendhttp://www.jastown.com/coldgear/wj-155.htm I got mine from Missy at Barkertown Sutlers. I don't see it in the catalogue, but you could give Missy a call. Mine's just a bit longer than waist length, and is made of linen. http://www.barkertownsutlers.com/ Hawkyns Ahoy! Anyone know where I can get a pattern for a waist coat like the one by Barkerstownsutlers? Much grateful, Col. Hawkyns May the road, rise to meet you. May the wind be always at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face. May the rain fall soft upon your fields. Until we meet again, May God hold you, In the hollow of his hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 Try Panther Primitives for easy patterns http://pantherprimitives.com/pdf/138.pdf The best patterns are JP Ryan- properly cut and documented for style http://www.jpryan.com/waistcoa.htm Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Jeff Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Would this "Gunner's Jacket" be appropriate for a pirate from the late 1600's-early 1700's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Not really if you're planning to be accurate. The short jacket of Jas Townsend's that Hawkyns linked to is probably the best if you're looking for a seaman's coat of that period. I'm not even convinced that it would be authentic for Restoration period. I've certainly never seen anything like it in all the period pictures I've looked at. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tudor MercWench Smith Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Would this "Gunner's Jacket" be appropriate for a pirate from the late 1600's-early 1700's? I'm curious about earlier styles of Jackets as well. MOst of the patterns that are linked here are mid-1700's. What would be an accurate coat style for the late 1600's-early1700's - say, 1680 - 1705? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Merc, If you are looking for long, the blue coat I usually wear is made from a pattern dating to 1700. If you are looking for short, this is what my shipmate Scurvy Hanna says about his short jacket, "I based it on a 1690's bog find pattern from Quintfall Hill, scotland, although mine has side and back openings like an english civil war coat." My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tudor MercWench Smith Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Where could I get patterns for them? I like them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 As far as I know, commercially available patterns don't exist for either of these, yet. I made my pattern by hand (with the help of a very large xerox machine). Scurvy Hanna did similar, I'll assume. My friend Kass will have them available soon (early 2006), but that doesn't do you much good for the upcoming renfest season. Do you know if there is a Kinko's or similar photocopy place in Lancaster? If so, and if you are feeling daring, I could send you a copy of my pattern at reduced scale (if I can find it), and you could have them blow it up to 1:1. My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 i trace my patterns onto innerfacing from the fabric store it's much more durable and reusuable .... just lay the non=wowen fabric over the pattern pieces and use a sharpie to trace the pieces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Kass does have the ECW 1640's coat pattern available. http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patte...ldierscoat.html Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 In Waugh's cut of Men's Clothes, she has basic patterns for a 1690s, 1700, and 1720ish Coats. If you check out my site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/sailorskit.htm there are some patterns there and some detail photos of the long gentlemen's coats. For the short jacket, there are a few period pictures that show at least 3 different styles. If you search the posts on this forum, we discuss some at length (Dissecting the Pirate dress or something like that title). The short jacket for sailors is very interesting. No origianals exist for us to see, so we can only speculate as to how they were made. I see them as kind of a fusion between the earlier doublet and the waistcoat for our period. I am not sure what the Scottish bog find coat is though (for seaman or landsmen???) But if it was a period short jacket it could be anyones guess. Foxe has some period pictures on his site and you can see the short jackets there to make your best guess and update as more info is found. For example, the mariners cuff.... is the cuff part of the sleeve or is it a "pocket flap" added to the sleeve. I would imagine that early in its history it was an added flap that gave way to a later incorporation into the sleeve. The original museum pieces with mariners cuffs seem to be 1740ish or later so they give away no secrets for 1690-1720. Good luck Greg Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tudor MercWench Smith Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 As far as I know, commercially available patterns don't exist for either of these, yet. I made my pattern by hand (with the help of a very large xerox machine). Scurvy Hanna did similar, I'll assume. My friend Kass will have them available soon (early 2006), but that doesn't do you much good for the upcoming renfest season. Do you know if there is a Kinko's or similar photocopy place in Lancaster? If so, and if you are feeling daring, I could send you a copy of my pattern at reduced scale (if I can find it), and you could have them blow it up to 1:1. Well, let me know when she has the patterns ready, and let me think about how daring I'm feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lazarus Gage Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Tis always hard to get that look that's just right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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