Gunner's Jacket

[Serendipity]

Anyone know where to find one ( new or second hand) for under $100? I'm putting a costume together for a Ren-Fest in August and I want to get an early start.

['Salem Bob']

Anyone know where to find one ( new or second hand) for under $100? I'm putting a costume together for a Ren-Fest in August and I want to get an early start.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a gunners jacket? Can you show us a picture of what you have in mind?

I am familiar with short slops jackets worn by sailors, and 'frock' (they are only suit coats unless heavily formally laced, then they are frock coats) coats, but I've never heard of a gunners jacket before.

[Serendipity]

Here's a picture . It's basically the same as the short sailor's jacket. I am interested in any of the other type of coats to, for the same price range. If you know where to find anything like it I'd be much obliged.

[Hawkyns]

Well, the picture is not of a pattern I've ever seen before, but here is a similar iten from Townsend

http://www.jastown.com/coldgear/wj-155.htm

I got mine from Missy at Barkertown Sutlers. I don't see it in the catalogue, but you could give Missy a call. Mine's just a bit longer than waist length, and is made of linen.

http://www.barkertownsutlers.com/

Hawkyns

['Salem Bob']

Well, the picture is not of a pattern I've ever seen before, but here is a similar iten from Townsend

http://www.jastown.com/coldgear/wj-155.htm

I got mine from Missy at Barkertown Sutlers. I don't see it in the catalogue, but you could give Missy a call. Mine's just a bit longer than waist length, and is made of linen.

http://www.barkertownsutlers.com/

Hawkyns

Sleeves like that are late 1670's-80's, very James II, only coming down to or just past the elbow - they usually had wide cuffs with buttonholes and buttons.

I don't know where you would find something cheaper.

[Hawkyns]

Ah yes, worn with petticoat breeches and vomiting lace. One does try to put such sartorial abominations from ones' mind. (insert full body shudder here) Gods, I hate restoration clothing.......

Hawkyns

[Rumba Rue]

I think the closest you can come is a jerkin that's altered a bit.

Rumba Rue

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[Col. Hawkyns]

Well, the picture is not of a pattern I've ever seen before, but here is a similar iten from Townsend

http://www.jastown.com/coldgear/wj-155.htm

I got mine from Missy at Barkertown Sutlers. I don't see it in the catalogue, but you could give Missy a call. Mine's just a bit longer than waist length, and is made of linen.

http://www.barkertownsutlers.com/

Hawkyns

Ahoy!

Anyone know where I can get a pattern for a waist coat like the one by Barkerstownsutlers? Much grateful,

Col. Hawkyns

[Hawkyns]

Try Panther Primitives for easy patterns

http://pantherprimitives.com/pdf/138.pdf

The best patterns are JP Ryan- properly cut and documented for style

http://www.jpryan.com/waistcoa.htm

Hawkyns

[Gentleman Jeff]

Would this "Gunner's Jacket" be appropriate for a pirate from the late 1600's-early 1700's?

[Fox]

Not really if you're planning to be accurate. The short jacket of Jas Townsend's that Hawkyns linked to is probably the best if you're looking for a seaman's coat of that period.

I'm not even convinced that it would be authentic for Restoration period.

I've certainly never seen anything like it in all the period pictures I've looked at.

[Tudor MercWench Smith]

Would this "Gunner's Jacket" be appropriate for a pirate from the late 1600's-early 1700's?

I'm curious about earlier styles of Jackets as well. MOst of the patterns that are linked here are mid-1700's. What would be an accurate coat style for the late 1600's-early1700's - say, 1680 - 1705?

[blackjohn]

Merc, If you are looking for long, the blue coat I usually wear is made from a pattern dating to 1700.

If you are looking for short, this is what my shipmate Scurvy Hanna says about his short jacket, "I based it on a 1690's bog find pattern from Quintfall Hill, scotland, although mine has side and back openings like an english civil war coat."

[Tudor MercWench Smith]

Where could I get patterns for them? I like them!

[blackjohn]

As far as I know, commercially available patterns don't exist for either of these, yet. I made my pattern by hand (with the help of a very large xerox machine). Scurvy Hanna did similar, I'll assume. My friend Kass will have them available soon (early 2006), but that doesn't do you much good for the upcoming renfest season. Do you know if there is a Kinko's or similar photocopy place in Lancaster? If so, and if you are feeling daring, I could send you a copy of my pattern at reduced scale (if I can find it), and you could have them blow it up to 1:1.

[callenish gunner]

i trace my patterns onto innerfacing from the fabric store it's much more durable and reusuable .... just lay the non=wowen fabric over the pattern pieces and use a sharpie to trace the pieces

[Hawkyns]

Kass does have the ECW 1640's coat pattern available.

http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patte...ldierscoat.html

Hawkyns

[Gentleman of Fortune]

In Waugh's cut of Men's Clothes, she has basic patterns for a 1690s, 1700, and 1720ish Coats.

If you check out my site

http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/sailorskit.htm

there are some patterns there and some detail photos of the long gentlemen's coats.

For the short jacket, there are a few period pictures that show at least 3 different styles. If you search the posts on this forum, we discuss some at length (Dissecting the Pirate dress or something like that title).

The short jacket for sailors is very interesting. No origianals exist for us to see, so we can only speculate as to how they were made.

I see them as kind of a fusion between the earlier doublet and the waistcoat for our period. I am not sure what the Scottish bog find coat is though (for seaman or landsmen???) But if it was a period short jacket it could be anyones guess.

Foxe has some period pictures on his site and you can see the short jackets there to make your best guess and update as more info is found.

For example, the mariners cuff.... is the cuff part of the sleeve or is it a "pocket flap" added to the sleeve. I would imagine that early in its history it was an added flap that gave way to a later incorporation into the sleeve. The original museum pieces with mariners cuffs seem to be 1740ish or later so they give away no secrets for 1690-1720.

Good luck

Greg

[Tudor MercWench Smith]

As far as I know, commercially available patterns don't exist for either of these, yet. I made my pattern by hand (with the help of a very large xerox machine). Scurvy Hanna did similar, I'll assume. My friend Kass will have them available soon (early 2006), but that doesn't do you much good for the upcoming renfest season. Do you know if there is a Kinko's or similar photocopy place in Lancaster? If so, and if you are feeling daring, I could send you a copy of my pattern at reduced scale (if I can find it), and you could have them blow it up to 1:1.

Well, let me know when she has the patterns ready, and let me think about how daring I'm feeling.

[Capt. Lazarus Gage]

Tis always hard to get that look that's just right.