Rare Crimson Jolly Roger Restored

[Carolina Buccaneer]

I found this while searching the web for the true Jolly Roger's, thought all ye Pirate's would like to see this, I thought it was very interesting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...ire/6222054.stm

[Capt. Sterling]

Nice article...shame the piece isn't from the Golden Age...

[Carolina Buccaneer]

Nice article...shame the piece isn't from the Golden Age...

I thought the same here, I saw the date 1780, oh well, not the Golden Age 1690 to 1720, but close, but like you said, an interesting artical.

[Dutchman]

well isn't that cool. did you notice how its hanging? banner style as opposed to flag.

[Ransom]

Nice bit of work. I like the fact that the flag is such a simple design. No black hearts, no hour glasses, no crossed swords, etc.

And of course, I love the color!

[Kate Souris]

Out of period for GAoP or not....still very spiff. :)

[LadyBarbossa]

Tis intreguing indeed.

Most intregued with the skull and bones... they seem shaded unless that's just by time.

Did I miss this, or did it state that the skull and bones were applied to one side?

Would be fantastic to have a look see at these pirate colours nonetheless.

GAoP or not... it's still a period piece and desires some careful study! Heck, no different than the Colours that Tarleton captured and was recently up for auction!

Priceless pieces they all are.

~Lady B

[Johnathan Atwood]

Saw an interesting article about a recovered 200+ red pirate flag. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074868/Rare-red-Jolly-Roger-pirate-flag-captured-battle-north-Africa-230-years-ago-goes-display-time.html

I have come across so many thoughts on the subject of pirate flags, including theories on the "known" pirate flags being fakes from the 19th century.

Most of the pirate flags I have read about in primary sources just say pirate flag or black flag.

Wondering what the thoughts on the pub were.

[Swashbuckler 1700]

http://www.bonaventure.org.uk/ed/flags.htm there is some quite good information...

I have often come accors a black flag with "dead's head" meaning skull

About the red flag it is not propably real at all Foxe can explain why...

[Mission]

It may be real, but it's 70 years or so past the GAoP.

If you're seeking info on authentic flags, Swashbuckler 1700 has what is probably the most concise resource - Foxe's website. If you want to go digging, you can find several topics around here on the subject including:

The Jolly Roger

Flags and the Death's Head "Memento Mori"

The Jolly Roger in popular literature - Examining modern pirate flags

History of the Jolly Roger - Discussion of a web-based version of the history featuring lots of Templar nonsense

Flags: Black vs. RED - Discussion of red and black flags and the 'jolie rouge' theory

Rare Crimson Jolly Roger Restored - this very thread about an alleged red pirate flag

Pyrate Mythory - Discussion of Foxe's pirate flags page.

BLACK!! - Some bits of "How to" for those interested in making a PC flag

Captain Kidd's Flag - Or not

Flags for POTC - Striving to make an historical-like flag for the Disney movies

Union Jack (OK, this has nothing to do with pirate flags, but it's interesting anyhow.)

[Johnathan Atwood]

Thank you gentlemen. I appreciate it.

[Swashbuckler 1700]

It may be real, but it's 70 years or so past the GAoP.

If you're seeking info on authentic flags, Swashbuckler 1700 has what is probably the most concise resource - Foxe's website. If you want to go digging, you can find several topics around here on the subject including:

The Jolly Roger

Flags and the Death's Head "Memento Mori"

The Jolly Roger in popular literature - Another most interesting thread

History of the Jolly Roger - A history featuring lots of Templar nonsense

Flags: Black vs. RED - Discussion of the 'jolie rouge' terminology

Pyrate Mythory - Foxe talking about his new pirate flags page.

Captain Kidd's Flag - Or not

Union Jack (OK, this has nothing to do with pirate flags, but it's interesting anyhow.)

Flags for POTC - Striving to make an historical-like flag for the Disney movies

BLACK!! - Some bits of "How to" for those interested in making a PC flag

The red flag can really be fake there is many details that don't seem right..

[Johnathan Atwood]

It may be real, but it's 70 years or so past the GAoP.

If you're seeking info on authentic flags, Swashbuckler 1700 has what is probably the most concise resource - Foxe's website. If you want to go digging, you can find several topics around here on the subject including:

It may be real, but it's 70 years or so past the GAoP.

If you're seeking info on authentic flags, Swashbuckler 1700 has what is probably the most concise resource - Foxe's website. If you want to go digging, you can find several topics around here on the subject including:

The Jolly Roger

Flags and the Death's Head "Memento Mori"

The Jolly Roger in popular literature - Another most interesting thread

History of the Jolly Roger - A history featuring lots of Templar nonsense

Flags: Black vs. RED - Discussion of the 'jolie rouge' terminology

Pyrate Mythory - Foxe talking about his new pirate flags page.

Captain Kidd's Flag - Or not

Union Jack (OK, this has nothing to do with pirate flags, but it's interesting anyhow.)

Flags for POTC - Striving to make an historical-like flag for the Disney movies

BLACK!! - Some bits of "How to" for those interested in making a PC flag

The red flag can really be fake there is many details that don't seem right..

I am no expert on flags, so what looks wrong?

[Swashbuckler 1700]

In google search I found this forum http://www.forums.py....php?f=19&t=209

Edited March 3, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700

[Fox]

The flag in the Daily Mail article has recently been discussed here: https://pyracy.com/index.php/topic/18467-sword-on-flag-question/

My thoughts on pirate flags could run to many many pages (see my posts in Mission's links above!), but my over-riding thought is this: taking all of the period references to pirate flags together, the most common device was easily the good ol' skull and cross bones.

[Swashbuckler 1700]

This goes under this tread:

R. Platt's book "Pirate" (one of those good books and easy to read) says that there was sailmaker widow that sewed pirate flags for brandy pay. This was in nasssau. But is this just a story? If there truth in it it could explain why so many of those nassau pirates's flags were quite similar (if she sewed similar flags). At least John Taylor, Sam Bellamy, John Martel and Edward England all used classic desing with skull and bones.

I am interested also which pirate flags were described by victims. I think that Wynne's flag and england's flag were both described by victims but is there much more.

To give some comfort I post some real flag desings to to brighten up this thread's look. All of these should have somekind of period mention but that is the style 100% autentic it is unlikely.

B. Roberts'

Ed. Low's

E. Wynne's

Ed. England's

Edited March 5, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700

[Fox]

I've never come across a period reference to the Nassau widow I'm afraid, or even any other modern reference.

Emmanuel Wynne's flag was described by a Royal Navy officer, I forget who described England's, but I think it was one of the officers of the East India Company ship Cassandra. Other pirates known to have flown the skull and cross bones or a simple variant include Blackbeard, Thomas Cocklyn and others

[Swashbuckler 1700]

I've never come across a period reference to the Nassau widow I'm afraid, or even any other modern reference.

Emmanuel Wynne's flag was described by a Royal Navy officer, I forget who described England's, but I think it was one of the officers of the East India Company ship Cassandra. Other pirates known to have flown the skull and cross bones or a simple variant include Blackbeard, Thomas Cocklyn and others

I find it funny that often books like many gordingly's and others say someting like "classical skull and cross bones were used only by some pirates but it was not only style in Jolly Rogers"(or at least they deemphasize the classic tsyle's popularity) and in fact it was really one of the most common desings but not only one. I have done only some study over the years and really most common flags were skull and bones, just a skull or some anatomys or skeletons...

That nassau story can be real but we will newver know...

Oh and it was Cassandra's officers who described England's J Roger.

Edited April 5, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700

[Capt. Trueblood]

Rare 18th century red Jolly Roger pirate flag goes on public display for first time

http://www.mirror.co...ed-jolly-281981

Edited April 5, 2012 by Capt. Trueblood

[Mission]

I merged the above post with this one since they're about the same thing. Just to keep things tidy, you know.

[Capt. Trueblood]

Well, Mission, you could have just deleted it! Typical me, I thought I had found something new, only to find an entire thread discussing it!

[Mission]

Flat out deleting someone's thread always seems sort of harsh to me. It makes the poster wonder what they did wrong.

The title of this thread is pretty broad, even though it started off being about the very same thing.

One of these days I am going to stitch [hah!] all the generic flag threads together so that there is only one easy-to-find thread on the topic. (I will not do this with threads on a specific point about flags, just the generic ones.)