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found a 1700 Ale bottle on an auction site, actually two bottles, if anyone is interested, they can be viewed (at least presently) at the following site, they are roughly half way down the first page. http://www.northernantiques.co.uk/pottery.html They look a lot like a small Bellarmine, but without the face and with a handle, just over 8" tall with a liped top. So if I can believe the information on the site, then I might have at least a picture of my bottle, now to see if I can get one somewhere, or a half dozen (need a six pack, no?) ;-)

any container can be use to transport for quick consumption ale from a cask, old wine bottles, jugs, even buckets, and I am sure all these were done in period at one time or another. However my aim is to brew and bottle a period ale, in period bottles. I have brewed and bottled and even kegged beer and am aware of the process with first hand knowledge. I expect to brew a beer of lesser effervesance, as modern brews are much more 'explosive' than their 17th centuary counterparts. I don't expect to brew a known or namesake ale, the bottles need not have identification, but proper materials and size is my criteria. Stoneware seems more likely than glass in my research as the stoneware bottles would likely be more sturdy against the pressure and less expensive in period manufacture (as previously mentioned by many, glass can be expensive in period). On another forum it is suggested that a small or large Bellarmine jug may be the model to follow. There is evidence of mid 18th cent. Ale botles in this form. Westmoore Pottery has 8" tall one that is similar to the artifact identified as an ale bottle in a symposia, it can be seen as item #442 at http://westmoorepottery.com/store.htm, the major difference is that the Westmoore reproduction has a stright neck whereas the artifact has a bulbous neck at it's top. Thank you all for your interest.

not to step on your toes, but you may be looking at old manuscripts with only modern glasses you are under the assumption that the word YEAST could not have been used before it was understood in our modern understanding, ala Pasture etc. Put on some period glasses and investigate the word, before it meant those single cell wonders that transform sugars into wonderful brew. ""The word "yeast" comes to us from Old English gist, gyst, and from the Indo-European root yes-, meaning boil, foam, or bubble."" ("Appendix I: Indo-European Roots". The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (4th ed.). 2000. Retrieved 2008-11-16.) As you can see, the word can mean 'foam' as you were quick to reference as to that which they would skim off the top of the bottle, and THAT is exactly what they were saying in their missive by using the good old english word 'yeast'. It just has to be seen and understood from the perspective and common language of the time period. Words have changed their meaning or common understanding over the years, and the word "yeast" is one of those words. On another level, yeast WAS understood and conserved by brewers before it was understood as a living organism, again thanks to Pasture. some believed it to be a chemical reaction, but they knew that it worked wonders on the grain tea. You don't always have to know all the science that makes a car go, in order to drive one. Again no steping on toes here, just trying to find a period proper recepticle (other than a cask) to transport my beer in.

Thanks for the reply and effort, but unfortunately I am still where I was before. The 'Slag' beer bottle, I believe to be miss-labled, they talk about the British being on the island where it was found in the 1800's which is the 19th century, but label the glass bottle as 17th Century. It does not have any of the signs of a bottle from the 1600's notably it does not have any sign on the bottom of where the blowing rod would have broken off as a 17th cent. bottle should have, also the top of the bottle has edges that are much too sharp and uniform for a bottle from the 17th century. On the other hand I have seen some references that the Beleramrine (sp?) jugs, the ones with the face on them, could have been used for storing beer, but, am not sure if that is also something in error or not, you can't always trust what you read on the internet. Mostly I have seen them just referred to as holding wine. They however do fit the time period.

Yes, the thread is titled ""Finns to revive beer from 19th century shipwreck"" But 19th cent. does not work, wish you could remember the article on the crockery bottles, and hopefully there are pictures some where.

I have been trying for some time to find information on what beer bottles would be like in our period, some say they didn't exist at all, but there is evidence to the contrary. Here is some more evidence I found on a site. Scum is a publication for the Brewers Guilds of the Kingdom of the East and the Principality of AEthelmearc, of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc. So I present this article in support of Period beer in bottles, titled: The True Bottling of Beer http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/scum/bottle.html Text dates for the exercpts include 1609, 1615, & 1691. Now to find a proper bottle ;-)

Ran across this post on TreasureNet Forum. It is a link all about Buckles through the ages. http://www.netmarshall.co.uk/buckletitlepage.htm

Wow, who knew that Harry Potter had his own sauce No, really, I know what it really is, but did you know that there are recipes online to simulate it if it is not available in your area? see: http://www.recipezaar.com/recipe/Hp-Sauce-55905 or http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=29789 (recipe is further down the page, actually a couple of recipes on this second link)

one site I looked at said that if you tighten the ropes with 'vengeance' then the bed rails WILL bow, and suggested in that case to use a batten connected to the bottom of the bed rails, however, a thought ran into my head with the description of the problem. The bed rails are bowing, what if you used bowed wood to start with? or induced a bow to the wood by steaming it? if the wood is bowed out towards the outside of the bed, the tightening of the ropes would pull the bow IN and also aid in keeping the ropes in tension.

Can't we all see the pic's of the graplin' hook?

what about the 'rail gun' concept? http://www.icollector.com/English-brass-barreled-flintlock-blunderbuss-rail-gun-with-brass-yoke-and-furniture-cannon-shaped-m_i9323291 ""English brass-barreled flintlock blunderbuss rail gun with brass yoke and furniture, cannon-shaped muzzle, maker William Wilson (London, 1760-1770), ex-Chalabis collection. About 14 lb, 38" overall, 22" barrel. A type of large gun known as an "espingoles," and typically placed in an oarlock to shoot at other ships,"" (picture on the site)

Ok, I will answer my own question. I finally found it, it is AMC, Saturday May 1, 2010 8:00 pm ""8:00 pmMaster and Commander: The Far Side of the World A British captain (Russell Crowe) chases a French ship in 1805.""

2003 Master and Commander - The Far Side of the World: HMS SURPRISE (ex HMS Rose) is showing 8:00 pm this Saturday May 1st 2010 somewhere, but I didn't catch which channel, it was advertised on AMC but I checked the schedule for AMC and it was not there, I checked History Channel, NGC, and a bunch of others I thought of, and can't find it listed online. Can anyone confirm when this is going to be shown and particularly on what channel?

See: http://www.foodnetwork.com/dinner-impossible/pirate-peril/index.html They give the following four recipes. Recipes in This Episode Turtle Stew Conch Scaloppini Cedar Plank Rum Salmon Caramel Key Lime Flan

they have a 'shortened' rope walk building at Mystic Seaport, and also demonstrate making rope with a small post held rope twisting machine for one of their presentations each day. It is a lot of fun to watch, and the rope can be cut into souvenirs for the kids. It would be a good addition to your event. The trick is to get a rope twisting machine, then anyplace with space can be a rope walk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope Go down the page to "Laid or Twisted Rope" for a pic of a small rope machine The rope walk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ropewalk was the long path along which the rope was made, usually a english rope walk was over 1,000 feet long, it has to be that long to get a long rope made, it can't be made going around a corner.

"Pirate Peril" Dinner Impossible Episode IE0805 For this mission Chef Robert Irvine heads to colorful Key West, Florida to take on a boatload of pirates. At part of the annual Pirates in Paradise Festival, Robert I has 9 hours to feed 150 pirates. The folks at Pirate Fest immerse themselves in total pirate lore and expect Robert to do the same. Robert is met by a peg-legged, parrot-toting, Captain Stitch, and is given orders to cook in true pirate fashion. Like any cook on the high seas, Robert has to concoct authentic pirate fare including bone soup, hardtack, sea turtle, pickled preserves and dishes to ward off scurvy. Tune In: Mar 31, 2010 10:00 PM ET/PT Apr 01, 2010 1:00 AM ET/PT Apr 03, 2010 4:00 PM ET/PT

Just saw the promo for the show. Looks like it was a lot of fun. I think I saw Stynky in one of the shots, who all was there? Not sure how I missed seeing this stuff on the Pub, the promo during Alton Brown's 'Good Eats' is the first I have seen of it.

I guess there is a day for everything or something for every day and then some, see the link for a list of foods and their celebrated day or month or holiday. http://www.tfdutch.com/foodh.htm

snigger, snigger.......

Thanks, especially Patrick for the picture references. Too bad there are not any references to lead bars found in Port Royal excavations or any of the other ships that sank during the period. I remember looking at a lot of pictures of artifacts over the years, but can't remember any of lead. The big silver ingots I think are meant to be on an industrial scale, (and a big bar like that is not easily pilfered ) But I would think that lead for use (melting into balls) or trade would be in a smaller form, much like the fur trade ones Patrick posted. Just wish there were some for GAOP, in the mean time, I will likely make a mold for one of the bars pictured.

Hawkyns wrote ""Just be sure, if you are going to melt that pipe down, that it is clean and dry on the inside. Impurities, especially liquids, can make a pot of melted lead sputter or even explode, and it will spray molten lead over quite a distance."" No worries there, it has set in a box in my very dry basement for maybe 15 years :-) from the last time I cut some off to cast some ball for my flintlock. Thanks for the replys, now if I can just get a picture. I have had lead that was in the long lady finger shape, (I think that is how the lead came for plumbers year's ago), I also have had bars and ingots and even an end of a 'pig' sort of chunk maybe three inches wide on the flat top and rounded on the bottom and one end I had. The main idea would be to mold the lead into something that does not look out of place in the GAOP, to demonstrate the process from bulk lead to lead ball, and for that I think I need a picture. So far Google has let me down in finding one. :-(

I came across a good two foot section of three inch diameter lead (Pb) pipe in my 'useful junk' pile the other day and it got me to thinking, in what form was lead usually found aboard ship or being shipped during the GAOP? We need lead to shoot the pistols and muskets, and shot for the fowling pieces. Was it to be found already cast into lead balls and packed in bags or kegs? I assume rolls of lead sheet may also be found for other particular uses, but were you likely to see large or small 'bars' of lead? Though I would assume that lead shot were not often cast aboard ship (due to the fire danger) what about ashore? The Buccaneers needed shot too, did they acquire it already cast into shot of the proper size or did they carry molds to cast shot for their personal weapons? a supply of powder, flints, and shot would be necessary, so any idea on the form of the lead ? I would like to cast or shape my lead pipe into something 'period'

I picked up a "Traditions- PA Pellet flintlock" at Gander Mt. back in January, (for deer hunting) I got it at a great price and a firefighter discount on top of the sale price, but I put a flint in it and, no spark, not one, checked the flint in one of my other flinters and it worked fine, tried it again in the Traditions, nope, and noticed that the flint was leaving cuts and dents in the face of the Frizzen. I knew I had a soft faced frizzen from reading on the Pub forum, Traditions is based in CT, but imports their guns from Spain I believe. Anyway I took it back to Gander Mt. and now am waiting to get my gun back with hopefully a working frizzen. I figured I could try to harden it myself, but, hey, it is a new gun and it was promoted as "ready to hunt, right out of the box" You would think that it would be something that they would check before sending it out. Anyway, hopefully it will get me a deer next year, this last year I borrowed my brother percussion and had two missfire events costing me my chance at a deer, one was a 4 point buck just thirty yards away, he didn't run until the cap went off but the gun failed to fire. :-( I have always trusted Flinters more, but never ran into this soft frizzen problem. I hope it is as easy as Patrick Hand said he did, I would worry that it might be too brittle and might snap.