Capt. Sterling

1) fusil de chase 2) hunting bag with powder, shot and spare flints 3) cutlass

Many happy returns of the day! Hope you had a grand time of it.

More spectacles without side pieces.

Gee Mr. Roberts would that be a new blue weskit yer wearing in yer avatar?

The problem being, Dutch takes lousy pictures and Grace is to busy working to take any herself... **wicked grin**

Most precious, my wishes for the very best of all things good for her and yer crew.

Have absolutely no clue as to where I read it years ago, but it was concerning shoulder knots as originally being used to hold baldrics in their place... and eventually they turned into the decorative knots in the late 17th century... but I cannot find it for the life of me, but it may be a place to start looking.... later on, which of course is little help here, during the Rev. War, regimentals had plain shoulder epaulets to hold belting in place.. but I am not seeing that earlier on... but again, maybe such info might help in the hunt...

OH do be quiet, no one was afraid of ye in the first place! Looks like a good time was missed by Dutch, the snotties and I. Wonderful photos! Looks like you have a hit on yer hands. Keep up the good work.

Nice looking crew, especially like the one in the pink...nothing better than getting the little ones interested early! Keep up the good work.

well done indeed...

right then, I've calmed down ....sigh...

I just want the guy's slippers....or the equivalent for our time frame...

I am rather thinking along the same lines as a sweater as the back hem appears to be "stretched" out of shape and hanging out the bottom left at a strange angle, and he's wearing a sleeveless waistcoat over it... just my two cents...it just looks so much more bulkier than, say the sleeves on the gentleman(the Viscount?) sitting with his arm draped over the chair back. Oi Foxe do you know if the ticken waistcoats were padded/quilited for extra warmth?

A belated birthday wish for all the best not just as it happened but always... hoping twas grand

Would help if I had included the link to Foxe's collection... PC pics and for those of you too lazy to go looking at some very nice stuff... a much better artistic attempt for, in my worthless opinion, there is no attempt to feminize the outfit...

Granted, but my point is, although this drawing is from the period, I question its reliability as to how accurately drawn the garments are ...

As far as using this for period kit for a male.. I would be VERY cautious... as the girls look to be wearing very basic fontages or caps on their heads and their coats are certainly cut to fit and portray a more female figure, including the gathering of the more full sleeve around the wrist... their trousers seem more according to what we see men wearing... but I think the rest is very much an artist's rendition of trying to get the point across that these two figures are female and not male... Now the other picture of the semi bare breasted pics seem a better attempt of showing women wearing men's clothes...unfortunately I am currently at work and cannot post said pictures... but try looking here and see if Foxe's has them in his collection...

Basic science... you can't fit a 2 dimensional object(basically a flat two sided, front and back piece) to a three dimensional object, the human body, without seams... they give fit and shape...simple... since most female bodies are a far cry from 2 dimensional, seems give shape to the fabric, boning then forces the body to adhere to the desired shape... if you were to wrap a body in 2 dimensional fabric there would be gaps and bulges... once those bulges and gaps are pinned and fitted to the body you have your seams/darts... and a nicer shape. The grain of the fabric is what is crucial to the "hang" of the fabric not the seams... although depending on how one wants to affect the hang, seams are then placed along the desired grain...

Agreed with the roughness of the sketch, as one could chose to look at the knee, or slightly above the bent knee and say they could possibly be closed knee breeches as they are drawn so close to the leg...this one is a tough call compared to some of the others... Yes it was... Agreed. Thank you, the Haycock info is great to have. We have a few pairs in the crew but mostly closed knee breeches and trousers, so hopefully we have a decent balance in numbers...

Dang, that is disappointing as that would have been a wonderful find....and Yes, I "stole" a copy of the picture you posted on that pocket flap... btw, thank you... Personally, at this point its all we can truly do and teach at events, that what we show is truly just ed guess as far as some of the clothes, especially the contracts items... although I do like Gof's and your interpretation... makes sense to me from what we do know about some of the English clothing of the time... IMLTHO... don't be so humble Foxe... we all know or at least believe you work very hard researching all this stuff and have access to things that we here, don't...so we here are truly very grateful for all that you share with us... Common is a good point, I have a few, maybe two plates from earlier on in the GAoP, depending on when a body dates it, that show wide/open knee breeches, but two, if that, doesn't say much regarding common (and these aren't sailors)... the problem being the fashion of wearing stockings up over the knee... one can only guess what they are actually covering... Now that one frontpiece frontplate...not sure what they call that part of the book, showing the two sailors in jackets and striped (?) breeches... trying to recall without actually going over to look..., shows pretty wide breeches, very wide in fact... circa 1699 I think...

Picart's Dutch sailor... upper right hand corner...

No actually you haven't as, I agree, no one knows exactly what they looked like, although rumor had it that you may have stumbled across a set a year or so ago, but folks never heard anything more on that, so I am assuming that turned out to be a false lead... for "cut", and hang me for not placing that term in quotes as I did style in my previous post...I refer to the basic sewing term regarding the cut of a garment such as breeches, weskit, shirt, jacket etc..we know they had the basic cuts, because they are listed in the contracts in that fashion... Since we have no clear cut/detailed description of each cut, we can only safely state for our time frame, that it still leaves such things open for discussion and it always had, as evidenced in Twill over the years... We all understand, at least I hope we do, that what you appear wearing on GoF's sight and GoF's drawings are strictly an educated guess based on common cuts/styles of the time frame, period and truly nothing more. For example, even the term "checked" has various meanings for the time... As to wide knee breeches, again, if I recall the discussion on that ages ago, there seems to be little solid detailed evidence on those either, with a number of folks questioning as to whether they were common or not... there was the questionable picture by Picart and that was a Dutch sailor (I believe that was the artist)... and, if I recall, Kass had a totally different spin on them...at one point saying wide knee could very possible be what we also refer to as open knee breeches... feel free to correct me if I remember that incorrectly, you always do...

Good, all the more better for wearing a wig

That would be great... as I am thinking perhaps it should be shirt...

There ye go, if Kass has it listed... all the better... That's sad about the artwork for the Whydah exhibit.... Sure thing... just trying to get some minimum ideas down here for newbies.. nothing more really, so if you want to go a step further and create a look more personal, my hat is off to you...