Capt. Sterling

Aye but shouldn't critical analysis weigh both sides instead of just stating, sorry quote button not working, that in so many words, it just isn't going to work?

Mission that all goes back to what you said before... there are different events available... if someone doesn't like one, don't go to it...why does that particular event need to change to suit that individual when it may be suiting others?

Agreed Hawkyns... and although I can certainly appreciate Jessi's concern about rushing into things... in this particular case, that wasn't the case...although some seemed quick to debunk the entire thing before even hearing it completely out..tis a new endeavor and all Dutch was looking for was suggestions...

it already does - allowing for subtle changes....but what happens when an overhaul is needed? When the reach needs to exceed anything that has been reached for previously? In my experience, that can kill an organization just as well as anything else. I guess I just don't quite understand what you are aiming at here.... if an overhaul is needed, why not figure out what is needed and do it? Why not strive to better a group or oneself as an individual? Yes, sometimes that will split up a group, and some will go their separate ways, but it doesn't necessarily mean that is a bad thing...or should we be possibly settling for mediocrity? If folks no longer wish to go forward with a group due to likes/dislikes, time, finances whatever... doesn't mean they are in the wrong, doesn't mean the group they are splitting from is in the wrong either, just means they are no longer seeking the same thing from the activity/goal/desires the group was formed around in the first place...

All we are saying is that judging others for not wanting the same thing is not necessarily conducive to a happy and healthy community overall. Which is a very good point, but no one here is doing that...and we are all basically aware of that ideal...

Some people have all the luck...

A very, very happy birthday to ye... now get back to work!

Right then the damn quote should read... This is true, but it is the value placed on one group over another. In the case of pirating, what I see is a way of thinking that communicates that PC pirates are better than non-PC pirates - which crosses ingroup/outgroup borders, as "reel" pirates (once confronted by an individual who is a stickler for accuracy) will - even if begrudgingly or with a sense of personal injury - afford the PC pirates the privileges denied to themselves.

[quote name='RedJessi' date='05 Octo This is true, but it is the value placed on one group over another. In the case of pirating, what I see is a way of thinking that communicates that PC pirates are better than non-PC pirates - which crosses ingroup/outgroup borders, as "reel" pirates (once confronted by an individual who is a stickler for accuracy) will - even if begrudgingly or with a sense of personal injury - afford the PC pirates the privileges denied to themselves.This is true, but it is the value placed on one group over another. In the case of pirating, what I see is a way of thinking that communicates that PC pirates are better than non-PC pirates - which crosses ingroup/outgroup borders, as "reel" pirates (once confronted by an individual who is a stickler for accuracy) will - even if begrudgingly or with a sense of personal injury - afford the PC pirates the privileges denied to themselves. When it comes down to it, this is truly ashame... as there is no reason not to have the two different groups and one is truly not better nor worse than the other... just different... Our crew loves working with both "Reel and Real" as they afford great opportunities to show off the differences in a positive light and still teach...as film/myth history is just as important as teaching the factual history...I find it fascinating how one develops or leads to the other and the then back again...

hmmm Blackbeard's crew has been doing things for at least ten years, but I think 20 or 30 would be stretching it for them as well...

What I was trying to quote/capture was this...from your post And one only has to go onto any of the non-big player Rev War re-enacting chat boards or discussion groups to hear of how the big players poo-poo independent small militia units, despite from my very limited knowledge of that period, how in fact the militias played a large part in the historic events. Great numbers and a long lifespan do not make a group right, although that is forever the tactic of the bigger groups to try and make people believe so. Speaking of those larger Rev War groups, anyone have some honest and real stats for their ratios of officers to rank and file? And or what their criteria is for moving up in the ranks? The answers to those questions should speak loud and clear as to why their style doesn't work for pirate re-enacting.

Great... this happened to me the other night as well... its not a trick as you say, its something that is screwing up when I use the quote feature... when I tried to quote Maddogge regarding the kids discussion, it used his name but used what I typed... if you noticed it is an exact copy of what I typed below the so called quote... I have to go back in, scratch the entire post and recapture the quote all over again.... so no trick, I just missed that I didn't print what you said, just assumed that it had worked...

I am not allowed to directly respond to you on this forum? But you are allowed to quote me??

Ah so it is allowed for you to try and invalidate our opinions but we can't point out the things we disagree with on your side of the discussion? Here yet again, because a small group of independent units complain, this automatically makes the larger group wrong? And you admit that you haven't even had any experience with the larger group... This is pure opinion, and frankly you are entitled to it, but are you truly hearing both sides of the debate? You have already opted out of the issue without even trying to sit down and attempt to make a new thing work, just because you believe from personal, past experiences that it is doomed to fail?

[quote name='michaelsbagley' date='03 October 2009 - 01:10 PM' timestamp='1254589809' And one only has to go onto any of the non-big player Rev War re-enacting chat boards or discussion groups to hear of how the big players poo-poo independent small militia units, despite from my very limited knowledge of that period, how in fact the militias played a large part in the historic events. Great numbers and a long lifespan do not make a group right, although that is forever the tactic of the bigger groups to try and make people believe so. Speaking of those larger Rev War groups, anyone have some honest and real stats for their ratios of officers to rank and file? And or what their criteria is for moving up in the ranks? The answers to those questions should speak loud and clear as to why their style doesn't work for pirate re-enacting. Well when we were very much involved with the establishing of the British Brigade, units were a part of the whole but ran their units according to their own choices,...moving up in the ranks remained something that was done within each individual unit, the British Brigade did not dictate such things... all unit officers would all meet yearly (this included all the active units in the Brigade) ..and we worked as a team...honestly I don't see what the issue is here...the event organizers were often the field commanders at events... horses got more because they required more, artillery got more because they required more, men were provided for and there certainly didn't seem to be as much pissing and moaning as we have going on now with all the bloody ego problems... also at the time, the Brit. Brigade did not poo-poo the independent units, as when I was involved, they were still being invited to major events...

Hmmm Dutch perhaps you should have yer friends over in the foundation talk to the successful Rev. War unions...such as the BAR, The British Brigade and The Continental Line... they are all still going strong and the BAR has been around since 1962... I am well aware that they have had their ups and downs but they are still making it work and well enough....haven't seen them dissolve yet..

Wouldn't put us off, but for the squeamish spectator, perhaps you should bring them along, already dead and ready for roasting...

Hmmm crews don't really have to lose their individuality because they would still be operating under their own standards as well and be members of the foundation... There is no reason why the foundation could not advertise as, for example, the Foundation including members as Bluebeard crew, Redbeards crew and Yellowbeards crew... and vice versa where the member crews also advertise themselves as Yellowbeards crew a member of the Foundation... kind of like the construction companies, they are all individual businesses but are members of the such groups like the National Association of Home Builders or Long Island Builders Institute...etc. These groups provide group insurance, networking, classes, and sometimes work...and there are obviously some rules/regulations but a business is free to operate on their own when not committed to something directly for the "foundation" the only way pirate crews might lose individuality is if the foundation's standards are not as high as their own or vastly different, or the foundation tries to set all the rules for all their members on how to operate... such as, there is a disagreement with the standards regarding clothing standards...where one member crew is wearing blends or cottons and another member crew is wearing correct fabrics..or where one crew allows children and another doesn't..bucketboots and fallfront breeches or no bucketboots and fallfront breeches...is the foundation going to step in and try to dictate regarding such specific issues? (Major nightmares!!) Or are we talking mainly about safety issues, how many events does each member crew need to commit to, and perhaps fringe benefits when and if they are ever available...etc, etc...etc...

The careening and bottom maintenance of wooden sailing vessels

... and heave....

October 15 is the tentative "deadline" in order to obtain more footage from the park... I have pmed all concerning the thread but have not received all the necessary info... please let me know at least a ballpark figure and if any on the pub know alternate ways of contacting some of the folks not yet acknowledged please do so... Thank you so very much for any and all assistance with this matter.

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Wishing ye a splendid birthday Mate!

Many happy returns of the day, Sir.