Swashbuckler 1700

Many figures like the man behind Lowther, Jean bart, the gunner, the sailor wearing petticoat breeches etc. Have a rather similar style cap with a cloth insides and a gab on the from of the hat.

The gallery of fur caps is expanding

London vendor 1680s

A sailor gunner in 1691 has a similar shaped hat that is likely to be a fur cap

Jean Bart in this apparently realistic portrait is wearing similar cloth cap trimmed with fur than some of the earlier figures here

It appears that the barrels, or half-barrels are securely tied down also. A good idea when both hands are occupied on a rocking ship !!!

Occupied with sharp knives no less!

There is an earlier woodcut of some Newfoundland fishing types, which has been posted on here somewhere, in which one of them at least is definitely wearing a garment similar to, if not actually, a capote.

Knowing the picture I know it is quite similar to this (the third man there has a cloak like that.)

Again I am stuck with the clothing and without any specific reason and I am still wondering this as a historical issue: I wonder is there any reason not to think that some of the striped garments (like shirts, breeches and waistcoats) used by sailor in Gaop might have some horizontal stripes? There is no doubt about vertically striped clothing (like seen in the shirt in the first picture of this tread, or seen in many pictures of Gaop/ near Gaop seamen with that kind of striped waistcoats). At least we know that in later period Napoleonic sailors had striped clothing with both vertical and horizontal stripes...

like here well a kater painting circa 1825 (but only 20 years after the event it's presents)

What if the old movie look is not so inaccurate as we might think..... but I am not really saying that the popular image of pirates is correct but just wondering since a long time ago I have doomed that kind of striped shirts as an inaccurate thing

An interesting note that MR David Rickman made in the book "Pirate: the Golden Age" (Osprey 2011) He noted that often when we see sailor of the age of sail wearing headscarves they are tied on forehead rather than the back (thought some pictures like the first one I have posted here show it tied on the back) He offered this example: Nelson's men celebrating the victory of the Nile in this 1798 cartoon. (see the man on the right with spotted kerchief)

And everything can happen I agree with that author this case: I agree about that the headscarves, when used by sailors, were more like a temporary sweat band rather than casual wear. They were also clearly less common than round hats and knitted( or other) caps.

Well not about black muskets but about the other subject discussed here, so about that what weaponry would be kept aboard merchant ships.

Our fried Snelgrave gives a hint about ship weaponry when he is telling about the slave mutinies and how one was repelled, This hints what kind of weaponry was used aboard Slavers of the period

"This Mutiny having been plotted amongst all the grown Negroes on board, they run to the forepart of the Ship in a body, and endeavoured to force the Barricado on the Quarter-Deck, not regarding the Musquets or Half Pikes, that were presented to their Breasts by the white Men, through the Loop-holes. So that at last the chief Mate was obliged to order one of the Quarter-deck Guns laden with Partridge-Shot, to be fired amongst them; which Occasioned a terrible Destruction: For there were near eighty Negroes kill'd and drowned, many jumping overboard when the Gun was fired."

From William Snelgrave, A New Account of Some Parts of Guinea, and the Slave Trade.London, 1734, pp. 162-91.

Muskets and half-pikes. So rather common naval weaponry

But "Partridge-Shot" means by the way.

A port of amserdam circa 1705

http://collections.r...ects/12417.html

Ship are nice and so are the figures. Looking sailor I see a nice variation of clothing and such. Still it is bad that most of the proper period pictures are from Holland and only so few from Britain.... But at least we can see a lot of Dutch stuff.

The man (middle) with a red sash and tan jacket is like straight from this pictures.

And some other stuff

An admiral circa 1725

http://collections.r...ects/14311.html

The battle of Cape Passaro 1718 (painting early 18th century)

(there is some flags of Spain)

http://collections.r...ects/11842.html

ahh well if you want to include double barrels you have the options for a double barrel double lock (over/under or side by side), swivel breech, or my personal favorite sliding pan. Actually in the next year or so I may have a puckle gun built, a nock volley gun and an over/under sliding pan built . . .

Interesting.

I am wondering this just for fun. BTW do you know which one of those were most common designs?

We know that period ships had cats and dogs (for killing vermin and perhaps for company) but do we have any records of pirate ships having any? Forget the buccaneer's hunter dogs now but what about ship's dogs?

And because of my love of pictures:

A ship's cat there. Nothing special really

Two dogs. The one with the periwig (Hogarth's satire) might be just captain's pet but the other might be a ship's dog (see how it is waiting to get food that is soon served).

Happy Birthday!

I find that 16th century revolver interesting... Puckle guns are funny too...

Loving pictures here we have a design for buckle gun

and speaking of just many barreled guns here is nice circa 1650 pistol

One more peg leg sailor

http://www.metmuseum...=69.131.4&pos=1

Happy birthday :)

Mission sometimes seems like a ten years old but he is older than that. He really 16. So way older than some might believe

but really happy birthday. How it feels to be 46?

The "boxlock" that is the primary style of lock used in duckfoot pistols was not in use during the GAoP.

That is interesting.

I ques the box lock is the same lock that can be seen in later 18th century Queen Anne pistols. http://www.cowansauc...ges/fff8800.jpg

Ahh one more movie anachronism...

Still at least two and three barreled pistols were used even in the era of whee-lock pistols in 1570's. So yes for multi-barreled guns but no for the duck-foot pistols (in gaop). But still the question remains how old is the duck-foot guns? At least they had appeared before 1780's.

And

Mission I knew you would do that but I figured it out too late and I could not move it here. Thank you and sorry for putting this tread in the wrong place (BTW I guess the "Black Muskets" tread is still on Twill https://pyracy.com/in...-black-muskets/ )

A Couple of years ago I read "The Illustrated History of Weaponry" by Chuck Wills and the book made me wonder how old duck-foot pistols are? That multi-barreled handgun was said to be favored by sea captains because it was good tool to repel multiple enemies like mutinous crew. They were used in some point of during the 18th century but what about Gaop? In movie "Cutthroat Island" there was a one of these guns but since it was a movie it does not mean anything. I would see the gun rather good weapon of choice in boarding action since it worked quite similarly than the classical blunderbuss.

Some pictures of these pistols

That was Interesting Mission.

Here from "The history of the pyrates: containing the lives of Captain Mission. Captain Bowen. Captain Kidd ... and their several crews" (1728)

There is enough swearing I think. But I think this might be one of those romantic addition to the real story added by the writer

"I can't pass by in Silence, Capt. Bellamy's Speech to Capt. Beer. D—n my Bl—d, says he, I am sorry they won't let you have your Sloop again, for I scorn to do any one a Mischief, when it is not for my Advantage; damn the Sloop, we must sink her, and she might be of Use to you. Tho’, damn ye, you are a sneaking Puppy, and so are all those who will submit to be governed by Laws which rich Men have made for their own Security, for the cowardly Whelps have not the Courage otherwise to defend what they get by their Knavery; but damn ye altogether: Damn them for a Pack of crafty Rascals, and you, who serve them, for a Parcel of hen-hearted Numskuls. They villify us, the Scoundrels do, when there is only this Difference, they rob the Poor under the Cover of Law, forsooth, and we plunder the Rich under the Protection of our own Courage; had you not better make One of us, than sneak after the A—s of these Villains for Employment? Capt. Beer told him, that his Conscience would not allow him to break thro’ the Laws of God and Man. You are a devilish Conscience Rascal, d—n ye, replied Bellamy, I am a free Prince, and I have as much Authority to make War on the whole World, as he who has a hundred Sail of Ships at Sea, and an Army of 100,000 Men in the Field; and this my Conscience tells me; but there is no arguing with such sniveling Puppies, who allow Superiors to kick them about Deck at Pleasure; and pin their Faith upon a Pimp of a Parson; a Squab, who neither practices nor believes what he puts upon the chuckle-headed Fools he preaches to.—The pyrates wanting neither Provision nor Water, and the Whidaw's Damage being repaired, they past their Time very jovially. One of the Crew had been a Stroler, a Fellow who had pass'd thro’ a great many real as well as fictitious Scenes of Life,"

I find the name "Beer" rather amusing....

From our loved General history (Black-Bart's crew aboard prize ship Samuel):

" They tore up the Hatches and entered the Hold like a parcel of Furies, and with Axes and Cutlashes, cut and broke open all the Bales, Cases, and Boxes, they could lay their Hands on; and when any Goods came upon Deck, that they did not like to carry aboard, instead of tossing them into the Hold again,threw them over-board into the Sea; all this was done with incessant cursing and swearing, more like Fiends than Men.They carried with them, Sails, Guns, Powder, Cordage, and 8 or 9000 l. worth of the choicest Goods; and told Captain Cary, That they should accept of no Act of Grace; that the K— and P—t might be damned with their Acts of G— for them; neither would they go to Hope-Point, to be hang'd up a Sun drying, as Kidd's, and Braddish's Company were; but that if they should ever be overpower'd, they would set Fire to the Powder, with a Pistol, and go all merrily to Hell together."

Looking old paintings to see ships, ports and sailors I have found one early 18th century picture that features an ordinary sailor or a fisherman having a sleeveless waistcoat.

There a man with blue waistcoat and white shirt in rigth corner

http://collections.r...ects/12494.html

I saw this and I think it might tell something (click it to get is bigger)

"Shipping Scene in the Lower Thames, about 1720"

http://collections.r...ects/12487.html

The men dressed in gray and red (slops? perhaps) on the nearest boat. Some of those are something that might be unfaced leather caps with white tread. Those hat look rather unclear but they could be leather caps. Most of them seem to have a form upturned peaks like seen in some visions but it it is unclear. But anyway those are -in my opinion really uncool.... well history often is.....

on the other hand

Those might be some other boatsmen than navy. The boat don’t seem to be ordinary and its reminds me of some leisure crafts. So perhaps not navy men at all.

They reminds me of this picture of seaman (it is modern but it represents 18th century seaman)

and this (A Seaman, assigned to Barge duty, by Dominic Serres, mid-late 18th century)

So those men in the painting seem to be a part of some barge crew rather than the navy

Reading the description it seems even more unlikely that those men aboard the nearest boat would have nothing to do with the navy. They have gray coats but that's might be just an coincident. The boat is not jolly-boat and the navy ship(in the middle) is just arriving there "a warship announces its arrival with guns" also the men aboard the navy ship looks quite much different. I think those men aboard the nearest boat are just parts of some barge crew…. But there is a form of sailor hats still that can be notified while thinking of leather caps.

I saw this and I think it might tell something (click it to get is bigger)

"Shipping Scene in the Lower Thames, about 1720"

http://collections.r...ects/12487.html

The men dressed in gray and red (slops? perhaps) on the nearest boat. Some of those are something that might be unfaced leather caps with white tread. Those hat look rather unclear but they could be leather caps. Most of them seem to have a form upturned peaks like seen in some visions but it it is unclear. But anyway those are -in my opinion really uncool.... well history often is.....

on the other hand

Those might be some other boatsmen than navy. The boat don’t seem to be ordinary and its reminds me of some leisure crafts. So perhaps not navy men at all.

They reminds me of this picture of seaman (it is modern but it represents 18th century seaman)

and this (A Seaman, assigned to Barge duty, by Dominic Serres, mid-late 18th century)

So those men in the painting seem to be a part of some barge crew rather than the navy

I saw this and I think it might tell something (click it to get is bigger)

"Shipping Scene in the Lower Thames, about 1720"

http://collections.r...ects/12487.html

The men dressed in gray and red (slops? perhaps) on the nearest boat. Some of those are something that might be unfaced leather caps with white tread. Those hat look rather unclear but they could be leather caps. Most of them seem to have a form upturned peaks like seen in some visions but it it is unclear. But anyway those are -in my opinion really uncool.... well history often is.....

Sorry for double post but I cannot edit my older post.

A fine picture featuring shipboard life. While later than Golden Age of Piracy it is still interesting. Even without that monkeys and exotic bird.

info here http://collections.r...ects/12610.html

You're welcome. I am glad to find pictures to people.

I actually think it might well the very same hat in those both pictures. The lighting and respective of the first picture are perhaps making it look less higher and lighter-colored than in the later picture. Also I dough that Peter would not have really many sailor hats with him when he returned to Russia,

This is especially for Mission

One handed admiral Charles Stewart, 1681-1740

Oh and again blue coat before 1748 uniforms...

read the description here http://collections.r...ects/14510.html

more one handed Gaop- era naval persons.

More NMM stuff

Chares galley circa 1670 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14727.html

even more admirals http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14021.html

19th century Chinese pirate flag http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/554.html

That is nice picture.. though from 19th century book. Flogging itself seems to be really old naval tradition (thinking of old galley slaves now). But I was wondering how common is was on gaop and earlier.

Even pirate articles of John Philips in 1724 mentioned whipping "V. That Man that shall strike another whilst these Articles are in force, shall receive Moses’s Law (that is, 40 Stripes lacking one) on the bare Back"

I watched a documentary about Nelson's RN ("Time Watch - Myths of Nelson's Navy (BBC 2000)" and of course criticism in needed here) and there was said that not many sailors got flogged during their service time I think the ration was 1 of 20 sailors or so. And actually much of the talk of strict navy discipline is misleading. E.G. if you stole chicken on-land you could get hanged but aboard ship you usually got "only" whipped....